Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Skull Pilot]

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

He did? Or people trampling other people when the exits were blocked did?

Sorry, I'm not buying that shit. Ever heard of the Led Zeppelin concert where people died?

Shit people die at Walmart in the black Friday stampedes

 

[Skull Pilot]

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

One can always buy a truck you know

 

[KissMy]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

 

[KissMy]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

Those speed loaders can also be banned.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

Those speed loaders can also be banned.

And a ban does not mean they won't be used or made.

While we're at it let's just ban hands and fingers because in reality that's ass you need to bump fire a rifle

 

[KissMy]

Banning the bumpstock would give the poor souls at least a sporting chance against a sniper with a bumpstock that allowed him to lay down fire upon them at a rate that was unexceptable, and ended up killing them like shooting fish in a barrel. Just saying.

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

Those speed loaders can also be banned.

And a ban does not mean they won't be used or made.

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

Those speed loaders can also be banned.

And a ban does not mean they won't be used or made.

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

ban ban ban.

 

[Chuz Life]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Was the Vegas shooter a "most people?"

Tim McVeigh?

 

[KissMy]

100,000 people a year are shot in the USA. Very few are good guy's shooting criminals. Here is another entitled killer just waiting to get his hands on these legal easy products.

 

[KissMy]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Was the Vegas shooter a "most people?"

Tim McVeigh?

Neither could have secretly built something that could reliably & effectively fired over 1,500 bullets into a crowd in less than 10 minutes.

 

[Dalia]

In this video at 2 minutes we hear two shooters.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You can bump fire a semiautomatic without a bump stock but of course you didn't know that.

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

There's already a way around that.

Those speed loaders can also be banned.

And a ban does not mean they won't be used or made.

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Did you see how simple that speed loader was?

It ain't rocket science.

And you may be right very few people will ever use them just like very few people will ever use a bump stock but that doesn't stop you from wanting to ban them does it?

It's about time to stop beating around the bush here and for you control freaks to just be honest and admit that the real goal here is to ban semiautomatic rifles

 

[Skull Pilot]

100,000 people a year are shot in the USA. Very few are good guy's shooting criminals. Here is another entitled killer just waiting to get his hands on these legal easy products.

You do realize that a gun can be used successfully in self defense and not be fired don't you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Was the Vegas shooter a "most people?"

Tim McVeigh?

Neither could have secretly built something that could reliably & effectively fired over 1,500 bullets into a crowd in less than 10 minutes.

You don't have to use a gadget to bump fire a rifle so yes he could have done it with just his 2 hands

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In this video at 2 minutes we hear two shooters.

That was an echo.

 

[beagle9]

In this video at 2 minutes we hear two shooters.

. The pauses in the firing of the weapon(s), is interesting indeed. Now if he had changed direction in his attack with the weapon (s), then the sounds could easily change, and it could easily be confusing to the crowd as to what is happening, and where the attack is coming from. The space between the windows appeared to be that of a significant distance, so during that transition it could have created the pauses between the firing. The changing of the windows may have caused the echoe to also move around.

 

[westwall]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Was the Vegas shooter a "most people?"

Tim McVeigh?

Neither could have secretly built something that could reliably & effectively fired over 1,500 bullets into a crowd in less than 10 minutes.

Sure they could. Especially this latest asshole. He had the means to get anything he damn well wanted. Your ban wouldn't have affected him one iota, just as your precious ban didn't help the 130 people who were shot to death in Paris.

 

[Dalia]

In this video at 2 minutes we hear two shooters.

. The pauses in the firing of the weapon(s), is interesting indeed. Now if he had changed direction in his attack with the weapon (s), then the sounds could easily change, and it could easily be confusing to the crowd as to what is happening, and where the attack is coming from. The space between the windows appeared to be that of a significant distance, so during that transition it could have created the pauses between the firing. The changing of the windows may have caused the echoe to also move around.

beagle9, When you listen carefully the shots are farther and after closer but no long pause between the two.
Maybe an echo but i am not certain at all like Admiral Rockwell Tory suggest ?

 

[westwall]

In this video at 2 minutes we hear two shooters.

. The pauses in the firing of the weapon(s), is interesting indeed. Now if he had changed direction in his attack with the weapon (s), then the sounds could easily change, and it could easily be confusing to the crowd as to what is happening, and where the attack is coming from. The space between the windows appeared to be that of a significant distance, so during that transition it could have created the pauses between the firing. The changing of the windows may have caused the echoe to also move around.

beagle9, When you listen carefully the shots are farther and after closer but no long pause between the two.
Maybe an echo but i am not certain at all like Admiral Rockwell Tory suggest ?

Everything I have heard on tape is an echo. I AM an expert on firearm related matters, and I hear nothing that says there was more than one shooter. The reason why different recordings sound different is due entirely to the local acoustics.

 

[2aguy]

The only thing that needs to be banned is quick reloading magazines. Just limit the guns to 15 rounds and reloading one cartridge at a time. That would eliminate the ability of one person to fire thousands of rounds into crowds.

Yeah, because no-one would ever figure out a way around Thaaat!

Not with legal off the shelf stuff that can't raise suspicions until they start killing. Most people don't have the skills to secretly build reliable weapons & reloading accessories by themselves.

Was the Vegas shooter a "most people?"

Tim McVeigh?

Neither could have secretly built something that could reliably & effectively fired over 1,500 bullets into a crowd in less than 10 minutes.

You don't have to build that gun....just about any gun you buy will do that and he had 23 of them in the room.....

All you nuts have is ban this, ban that, you can't have this, you can't have that, sure, we know nothing we just banned would stop the next guy or any of the criminals using guns .....but we still want to do it

And that makes sense to you guys....? That is why we don't trust you, that is why we are going to fight for every single gun, bullet and magazine going forward....you have no end except to ban all guns, bullets and magazines...one item at a time....