Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[beagle9]

Because fewer people will get them. Period. He used bump stocks, because full auto weapons are harder to get....because of laws. Come on people, this isn't rocket surgery.

. If he could have easily, and legally gotten his hands upon the Al Capone Tommy guns that had the round clip full of 45 Cal. Bullets, can you imagine the carnage that would have caused ?

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

 

[Chuz Life]

. It's more than one shooter, it's more than one shooter.. Now whose hair is on fire ?? LOL

I said I'm not convinced. I'm sure they're still running ballistics on the bullets and fingerprints on shell casings. Too early for the full picture as of yet. To me, it looks like a coordinated effort. For all you know, he could have been using a .30 cal.

I do know one thing: One or more of those firing bursts was not an AR, I've heard that often enough to know the sound.

The news has already reported that Pollack had multiple rifles with multiple calibers.

But which did he choose ?

Lol!

What the fuck are you smoking? What makes you think he only fired one gun or one caliber?

. The same stuff you're smoking when attempting to tell us exactly what you figure he did.. lol

The different sized shell casings on the fucking floor of the crime scene (leaked photos) should have been your first clue that more than one caliber was used, dumbass.

 

[Marion Morrison]

. If he could have easily, and legally gotten his hands upon the Al Capone Tommy guns that had the round clip full of 45 Cal. Bullets, can you imagine the carnage that would have caused ?

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

He did? Or people trampling other people when the exits were blocked did?

Sorry, I'm not buying that shit. Ever heard of the Led Zeppelin concert where people died?

 

[Chuz Life]

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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Where is the official source that says only two rifles were used?

I thought it was two....

You could be right, he might have only used two. I haven't seen that reported though. There were guns all over the place at the scene.

I could hear at least two different calibers and different firing rates in the videos. Sounded like 7.62x39 and .223 though it could have been .308 in there too.

 

[beagle9]

I said I'm not convinced. I'm sure they're still running ballistics on the bullets and fingerprints on shell casings. Too early for the full picture as of yet. To me, it looks like a coordinated effort. For all you know, he could have been using a .30 cal.

I do know one thing: One or more of those firing bursts was not an AR, I've heard that often enough to know the sound.

The news has already reported that Pollack had multiple rifles with multiple calibers.

But which did he choose ?

Lol!

What the fuck are you smoking? What makes you think he only fired one gun or one caliber?

. The same stuff you're smoking when attempting to tell us exactly what you figure he did.. lol

The different sized shell casings on the fucking floor of the crime scene (leaked photos) should have been your first clue that more than one caliber was used, dumbass.

. So he used more than one gun, but do you know which one he used on the crowd verses the one he used on the hallway ?? No you don't do you ?? Location of weapons may give a clue as to their usage in the case, and then the type of chosen weapon for it's part within the task should be revealed also.

 

[beagle9]

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

He did? Or people trampling other people when the exits were blocked did?

Sorry, I'm not buying that shit. Ever heard of the Led Zeppelin concert where people died?

. Ok, so where is that info as of yet ?? That should have been released already. I thought the same thing also in the beginning.

 

[2aguy]

. If he could have easily, and legally gotten his hands upon the Al Capone Tommy guns that had the round clip full of 45 Cal. Bullets, can you imagine the carnage that would have caused ?

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

Henry Original Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition | Henry Repeating Arms

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

 

[beagle9]

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

Henry Original Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition | Henry Repeating Arms

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. Has an official report been issued on what you are saying concerning a trampling of people that could have led to deaths and/or heavy amounts of injuries due the trampling or stampede that had started in the chaos ??

 

[2aguy]

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

Henry Original Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition | Henry Repeating Arms

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. Has an official report been issued on what you are saying concerning a trampling of people that could have led to deaths and/or heavy amounts of injuries due the trampling or stampede that had started in the chaos ??

I haven't seen anything yet...but heard reports the day after that some of the injuries were crowd related.

 

[Chuz Life]

The news has already reported that Pollack had multiple rifles with multiple calibers.

But which did he choose ?

Lol!

What the fuck are you smoking? What makes you think he only fired one gun or one caliber?

. The same stuff you're smoking when attempting to tell us exactly what you figure he did.. lol

The different sized shell casings on the fucking floor of the crime scene (leaked photos) should have been your first clue that more than one caliber was used, dumbass.

. So he used more than one gun, but do you know which one he used on the crowd verses the one he used on the hallway ?? No you don't do you ?? Location of weapons may give a clue as to their usage in the case, and then the type of chosen weapon for it's part within the task should be revealed also.

Listen to the audio in the videos dumbass. You can hear at least two different calibers and at least two different rates of fire.

 

[beagle9]

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

Henry Original Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition | Henry Repeating Arms

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

 

[beagle9]

But which did he choose ?

Lol!

What the fuck are you smoking? What makes you think he only fired one gun or one caliber?

. The same stuff you're smoking when attempting to tell us exactly what you figure he did.. lol

The different sized shell casings on the fucking floor of the crime scene (leaked photos) should have been your first clue that more than one caliber was used, dumbass.

. So he used more than one gun, but do you know which one he used on the crowd verses the one he used on the hallway ?? No you don't do you ?? Location of weapons may give a clue as to their usage in the case, and then the type of chosen weapon for it's part within the task should be revealed also.

Listen to the audio in the videos dumbass. You can hear at least two different calibers and at least two different rates of fire.

. So you are a ballistics expert eh ? Does that training include the expertise you have on listening to a weapon in an echoe chamber, but still you can tell the caliber of that weapon ? A 22 would sound like a 38 at night in that echoe chamber, but do continue to impress us here.

 

[2aguy]

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

Henry Original Silver Deluxe Engraved Edition | Henry Repeating Arms

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

What criteria.....? The guy needed a French drivers license and cash. He didn't have any risk of prior discovery with a weapons cache, no need to smuggle guns in since fully automatic weapons are illegal in France, as are semi auto weapons...which didn't stop the terrorists at Charlie Hebdo, or in paris.....and in the two attacks 142 people were murdered......

Fully automatic weapons are something of a status symbol with French criminals too.....they get them easily as well.....

 

[Chuz Life]

Lol!

What the fuck are you smoking? What makes you think he only fired one gun or one caliber?

. The same stuff you're smoking when attempting to tell us exactly what you figure he did.. lol

The different sized shell casings on the fucking floor of the crime scene (leaked photos) should have been your first clue that more than one caliber was used, dumbass.

. So he used more than one gun, but do you know which one he used on the crowd verses the one he used on the hallway ?? No you don't do you ?? Location of weapons may give a clue as to their usage in the case, and then the type of chosen weapon for it's part within the task should be revealed also.

Listen to the audio in the videos dumbass. You can hear at least two different calibers and at least two different rates of fire.

. So you are a ballistics expert eh ? Does that training include the expertise you have on listening to a weapon in an echoe chamber, but still you can tell the caliber of that weapon ? A 22 would sound like a 38 at night in that echoe chamber, but do continue to impress us here.

You're right, , , lol!

When fired in an echo chamber, a .22 sounds exactly like a .38

What was I thinking?

 

[beagle9]

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

What criteria.....? The guy needed a French drivers license and cash. He didn't have any risk of prior discovery with a weapons cache, no need to smuggle guns in since fully automatic weapons are illegal in France, as are semi auto weapons...which didn't stop the terrorists at Charlie Hebdo, or in paris.....and in the two attacks 142 people were murdered......

Fully automatic weapons are something of a status symbol with French criminals too.....they get them easily as well.....

. There's just nothing that can be done if anything happens in according to you and others here right ? I mean this world is doomed as long as you can have your way, and to heck with the dead or wounded eh ?? So technology in the form of on board computers, and there sensors will be the new future technological battle fields for this stuff in order to stop the vehicles from being used as weapons then. We are almost there now.

 

[westwall]

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

What criteria.....? The guy needed a French drivers license and cash. He didn't have any risk of prior discovery with a weapons cache, no need to smuggle guns in since fully automatic weapons are illegal in France, as are semi auto weapons...which didn't stop the terrorists at Charlie Hebdo, or in paris.....and in the two attacks 142 people were murdered......

Fully automatic weapons are something of a status symbol with French criminals too.....they get them easily as well.....

. There's just nothing that can be done if anything happens in according to you and others here right ? I mean this world is doomed as long as you can have your way, and to heck with the dead or wounded eh ?? So technology in the form of on board computers, and there sensors will be the new future technological battle fields for this stuff in order to stop the vehicles from being used as weapons then. We are almost there now.

My gosh but you sound like a whiney twat when you appeal to emotion like that. We CARE about the killed and wounded. We also realize that no law you wish to pass is going to prevent these atrocities. We have evidence from all over the world that shows that evil people will be able to do evil things. The only thing you can do is to limit the amount of damage they are able to do. The best means of doing that is with a bullet between their eyes.

We KNOW that the laws you wish to pass will have ZERO effect. So why push laws that you know will have no effect? A good "first step" as you like to say? A "first step" to what? Total control over who can have them, that's what that "first step" is all about. The billionaires pushing these laws all have one goal in common, disarming YOU, so that they can then treat you like they feel they should be allowed to, which is like a peasant.

 

[beagle9]

. Don't forget he injured 500.

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

What criteria.....? The guy needed a French drivers license and cash. He didn't have any risk of prior discovery with a weapons cache, no need to smuggle guns in since fully automatic weapons are illegal in France, as are semi auto weapons...which didn't stop the terrorists at Charlie Hebdo, or in paris.....and in the two attacks 142 people were murdered......

Fully automatic weapons are something of a status symbol with French criminals too.....they get them easily as well.....

. There's just nothing that can be done if anything happens in according to you and others here right ? I mean this world is doomed as long as you can have your way, and to heck with the dead or wounded eh ?? So technology in the form of on board computers, and there sensors will be the new future technological battle fields for this stuff in order to stop the vehicles from being used as weapons then. We are almost there now.

My gosh but you sound like a whiney twat when you appeal to emotion like that. We CARE about the killed and wounded. We also realize that no law you wish to pass is going to prevent these atrocities. We have evidence from all over the world that shows that evil people will be able to do evil things. The only thing you can do is to limit the amount of damage they are able to do. The best means of doing that is with a bullet between their eyes.

We KNOW that the laws you wish to pass will have ZERO effect. So why push laws that you know will have no effect? A good "first step" as you like to say? A "first step" to what? Total control over who can have them, that's what that "first step" is all about. The billionaires pushing these laws all have one goal in common, disarming YOU, so that they can then treat you like they feel they should be allowed to, which is like a peasant.

. The only answer is to change government then, keep it changed, get tough on crime and/or the criminals, but even then we are met with those who will pick winners and losers in it all. I guess in a world gone bad there are no options or ideas available any longer, so yes everybody arm up then, because it's only getting worse and worse.

 

[westwall]

And had he been firing a larger round he would have injured a lot too....he was shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people...and also, a lot of those injuries came from people getting trampled and jumping fences.....

And the rental truck in Nice, France.....wounded 458.......

. The rental truck issue will probably get strengthened big time in as far as the criteria for renting one now. Technology will probably take care of the rest as the new trucks roll out in the future.

What criteria.....? The guy needed a French drivers license and cash. He didn't have any risk of prior discovery with a weapons cache, no need to smuggle guns in since fully automatic weapons are illegal in France, as are semi auto weapons...which didn't stop the terrorists at Charlie Hebdo, or in paris.....and in the two attacks 142 people were murdered......

Fully automatic weapons are something of a status symbol with French criminals too.....they get them easily as well.....

. There's just nothing that can be done if anything happens in according to you and others here right ? I mean this world is doomed as long as you can have your way, and to heck with the dead or wounded eh ?? So technology in the form of on board computers, and there sensors will be the new future technological battle fields for this stuff in order to stop the vehicles from being used as weapons then. We are almost there now.

My gosh but you sound like a whiney twat when you appeal to emotion like that. We CARE about the killed and wounded. We also realize that no law you wish to pass is going to prevent these atrocities. We have evidence from all over the world that shows that evil people will be able to do evil things. The only thing you can do is to limit the amount of damage they are able to do. The best means of doing that is with a bullet between their eyes.

We KNOW that the laws you wish to pass will have ZERO effect. So why push laws that you know will have no effect? A good "first step" as you like to say? A "first step" to what? Total control over who can have them, that's what that "first step" is all about. The billionaires pushing these laws all have one goal in common, disarming YOU, so that they can then treat you like they feel they should be allowed to, which is like a peasant.

. The only answer is to change government then, keep it changed, get tough on crime and/or the criminals, but even then we are met with those who will pick winners and losers in it all. I guess in a world gone bad there are no options or ideas available any longer, so yes everybody arm up then, because it's only getting worse and worse.

I am not one of those who claim everyone should be armed. Far from it. But the government must NEVER be allowed the power to enact that sort of law. I presented two ways that future attacks like this might be limited. How about you brainstorming a few and if they have merit I will make sure they get to the people who can implement them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

A bump stock does not turn a semiautomatic rifle into an automatic rifle If you know anything about rifles you would know that

Right, they just make it imitate one. Glad we got that all cleared up.

No it doesn't even imitate one but to know that you would actually have to learn about rifles and firing mechanisms and we all know you won't do that because you'd rather listen to what other people tell you than find out for yourself

Of course, it does make it imitate one, via a more rapid fire rate. The things you are forcing yourself to say are embarrassing.

In fact, when the day of reckoning comes for the bump stock ban, I want to put you and Westwall on live TV on the floor of congress.

He can say, "Bump stocks save lives!", and you can say, "They dont even make rifles imitate auto rifles!!!"

What reaction do you think you will get? Do you think people will marvel at your insight, and think, "Wow, how misguided we were to pursue this ban, thank goodness for these two smart fellas for waking us up!"

No, you will both be ridiculed, and rightfully so.

No it doesn't but like I said you would actually have to know how the firing mechanisms work to understand.

Of course it does, in that it achieves a higher rate of fire. Which is why the shooter used it. Listen to yourself....embarrassing....

That bump firing achieves a higher rate of fire has nothing to do with the fact that it was not automatic. But you don't want to actually know what the difference is

 

[Skull Pilot]

. If he could have easily, and legally gotten his hands upon the Al Capone Tommy guns that had the round clip full of 45 Cal. Bullets, can you imagine the carnage that would have caused ?

Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to heave any honest discussion about this, when you can't even get these guys to admit simple facts. A rational adult would admit that there may be some benefit to banning bump stocks. A rational person arguing against their banning would have to then argue that the associated costs (in freedom, whatever) are too high to justify the benefits.

These fuys know this, and they know thats not an easy argument to make. So they retreat to these goofy positions of insisting water is not wet. So , insteadof arguing the real issue, we're arguing whether or not water is wet.

"Bump stocks save lives!"

^^ See? They take these untenable positions, and being too lazy or incapable to make good arguments, they are forced to say stupid shit. And we're forced to sift through it.

There are thousands of butt stock devices in private hands...one was used to commit a crime. A rational person would punish the law breaker, not the people who didn't commit the crime.

The bump stock did save lives.......it send bullets over the crowd as he fired keeping those bullets from hitting people...had he simply fired semi auto, he would have had more hits on people, twit. And the semi auto fire wouldn't have drawn the attention of the crowd as quickly.

. Do agree that the semi-automatic would have allowed the shooter a much longer shoot if had not been disrupted by the security gaurd. It would have been harder to figure out where the shots were coming from, and whether or not it would have been a gun until the crowd indicated that fact. Still not sure whether or not the semi-automatic would have done the same amount of damage (in the time span) that the modified semi-automatic gone auto had done.

He murdered 58 people...with 2 rifles.


The Security Guard did not disrupt him.....he could have killed just as many people...killed.....with a bolt action rifle firing into a crowd of 22,000 people. He could have used a lever action rifle....and simply used 10 of them...since he obviously had no problem brining 23 rifles into his room.....if he simply changed out rifles...13 rounds in the tube on this one....x10 is 130 rounds down range with precision fire....he had 23 rifles with him.......... now increase that to 23 rifles, lined up, ready to shoot, and the police not breaching for 72 minutes...and you see the problem. 23 X 13 = 299 rounds directly into the crowd.... .44-40......a bigger round...punching through the first victim hit....

The .223 is smaller.....

So I am telling you, the rifle didn't matter.....the bump fire sent rounds over the crowd, not into the crowd so it could have been much worse. The bump fire would have been deadlier at ground level......and the next guy will probably do that next....

Keep in mind, the guy in Nice, France with a rental truck murdered 89 people.

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. Don't forget he injured 500.

We do not know if all of the injured suffered gunshot wounds