Lefties explain our institutions are examples of Socialism; then cry that you dont know the meaning

[The sheeple sea]

Sure, I'll have a go. While minimum wage has barely risen because of corporate lobbying and the delusion that all hell will break loose with prices, inflation has increased higher than the rate of pay increases tremendously since 1970s. Example: in any given year the general rate of inflation can be found by many top economists to be around 4%, and for years pay increases given by companies, if any, range far below that, so, year after year, general worker pay has steadily decreased while the price of everything else has increased. That's why today's skilled workers are making about the equivalent of minimum wage workers in the seventies. And today's minimum workers are making the equivalent of an amount it was illegal to pay people.

So you ramble about inflation but not a cost of living wage increase.

Do you think government is supposed to come in and mirror the inflation rate every year with a minimum wage adjustment??

There is no relevance to this section, what point are you trying to convey.

Employees, especially union members get yearly raises though contract negotiations, failure to keep up with inflation is not the employers fault, they are not responsible for the inflation, the government and it's policies are.

A corporations job is to find the way to make the most money, they aren't evil that's just how they work. That can and does include figuring out how to decrease the amount that they pay for employees. The gap has grown between rich and middle class as a direct result of this discrepancy. Look at any number of studies that show the richest in this country have never made more money and the average American worker has never made less. The solution is fairly simple, raise minimum wage along with inflation. And before you spew that crap about prices raising all over the place, I would like to think a right wing conservative understands market forces, yes? While prices may all raise superficially at first, many companies will realize if they take a cut in one time transaction profits (which most can easily afford) they will corner more of the market. So there, please challenge that.

You claim the American worker has never made less, but not accounting for inflation pay rates for workers are the highest they have ever been in history.

You are just not real bright are you??

So you want to raise minimum wage and inflation.

You do realize that one would offset the other correct??

No too fucking stupid for that.

Go back again zero take another bite here you ain't no fucking hero for sure.

Oh by the way demand for labor sets market prices for wages.

Yeah, pay rates are higher than they were before, while pay rates for workers are higher than they were (I get which is the bigger number thanks) they have increased maybe 5 fold since the seventies while costs of everything else rose 10 or 20 fold, so yeah, government should raise minimum to match inflation because companies raise prices to match it. And those raises you talk about anually? Yeah, I get those too, 2.5% a year, so according to any economist I'm losing 1.5% of my pay relative to my living expenses. You can generally tell someone's ability to handle facts by how much they swear and insult everyone else. Don't blame me for not understanding what my post said. If you disagree with me how about you make more points and less ranting, isn't that what you originally asked about income inequality? Points instead of loud rhetoric? I know you feel smart talking like everyone is an idiot, but (and I believe someone else mentioned this) any economist can show you a pretty basic graph about income inequality and median wages compared to corporate profits over the past 50 years.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

I have worked most of my life, I did, but of course I am intelligent, hard working and a pleasure to be around ....................

 

[BULLDOG]

I have worked most of my life, I did, but of course I am intelligent, hard working and a pleasure to be around ....................

I'm sure you think those things are true. I'll bet all your wonderful characteristics are why your coworkers named you DrDoomNGloom .....right? I'll bet you were just a joy to be around.

 

[kiwiman127]

Interestingly, I have seen quite a few articles that points to the style of capitalism that got it's beginnings in the 80s as the culprit of the economic inequality and the kicker for the US's economic instability.
"What Capitalism Has To Fear From Inequality" recently appeared in the NY Times and various other major newspapers, which include the opinions of major business leaders.
"Does Donald Trump Have A Point" recently appeared in Forbes. Both pieces echo the same point.
Also the World Bank and IMF and quite a few economists have stated that income/wealth inequality are dragging down the economy.
The point is, currently our style of capitalism is counter productive and has contributed towards the downward slide of the US. Much like Greece's style of socialism contributed to Greece's economist failure.

That's the best you can do? You grew up with a few words that sounded scary, like communism, and socialism, and, in your case, probably fluoride. Now people are beginning to see that socialism isn't just a scary word, but has a specific meaning and doesn't always mean the same thing as bad. Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out.

I see examples of it everyday. I see how it's moving a productive society to an entitlement mentality. Some of the best examples are government employees, fat, stupid, lazy, socialist minded and quite arrogant about it. If you want to see what socialism does to people look no farther than local government employees.

What is unequal, we both have the same opportunities for education.

We both have the same chance for jobs based on qulifications.

Explain this catch phrase "income inequality" and tell us why society has any need to meddle in the labor force.

I mean you people throw those phrases around like they have some significance to them.

Once again, please explain.

Why don't you read the two articles?
Of course, thinking you would put in the effort to do so is a fantasy.Based on your posts, I doubt that you would read anything that isn't far right ideologically driven opinionated talking points.

Damn, that was a long way of stating you are too fucking stupid to pen an intelligent response.

You're the idiot who thinks inequality doesn't exist and you're calling me stupid as you disagree with the world's most respected economists and their proof?
What a clown. Just keep on making an ass out of yourself. Hey, I all for free speech and all the entertainment it provides.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

I got that monicker because I could see the financial / housing collapse 10 yrs before it happened.

Those who were around were fucking amazed when my predictions stacked like cord wood.

It was actually a badge of honor, while you may not like the message of doom and gloom given the current society comprised of individuals such as you we are just getting started with the joys.

We shall see, stick around, I love gloat threads.

I own several of these little butthurt black boys around here from those Michael Brown threads and my money predictions that smoked your sides canned party line.

If I had a sig it would not have room enough for all the threads little bitches like have went down in shameful flames.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Interestingly, I have seen quite a few articles that points to the style of capitalism that got it's beginnings in the 80s as the culprit of the economic inequality and the kicker for the US's economic instability.
"What Capitalism Has To Fear From Inequality" recently appeared in the NY Times and various other major newspapers, which include the opinions of major business leaders.
"Does Donald Trump Have A Point" recently appeared in Forbes. Both pieces echo the same point.
Also the World Bank and IMF and quite a few economists have stated that income/wealth inequality are dragging down the economy.
The point is, currently our style of capitalism is counter productive and has contributed towards the downward slide of the US. Much like Greece's style of socialism contributed to Greece's economist failure.

I see examples of it everyday. I see how it's moving a productive society to an entitlement mentality. Some of the best examples are government employees, fat, stupid, lazy, socialist minded and quite arrogant about it. If you want to see what socialism does to people look no farther than local government employees.

What is unequal, we both have the same opportunities for education.

We both have the same chance for jobs based on qulifications.

Explain this catch phrase "income inequality" and tell us why society has any need to meddle in the labor force.

I mean you people throw those phrases around like they have some significance to them.

Once again, please explain.

Why don't you read the two articles?
Of course, thinking you would put in the effort to do so is a fantasy.Based on your posts, I doubt that you would read anything that isn't far right ideologically driven opinionated talking points.

What part did I miss??
Damn, that was a long way of stating you are too fucking stupid to pen an intelligent response.

You're the idiot who thinks inequality doesn't exist and you're calling me stupid as you disagree with the world's most respected economists and their proof?
What a clown. Just keep on making an ass out of yourself. Hey, I all for free speech and all the entertainment it provides.

Like I said before, explain this income inequality you speak of.

The fact that CEO's make much more than moronic fucking workers like you is because the have intelligence and skill sets your kind has never even dreamed of.

You go to work at a factory someone else has built, making a product they have developed / conquered process, you have no say in how the company is run and if you can get out of bed and be at work on time without being fucked up or drunk you think that you should dictate your own pay standards.

When you get laughed at you parrot a catch phrase that don't mean shit and act like you got all the answers.

 

[The sheeple sea]

Interestingly, I have seen quite a few articles that points to the style of capitalism that got it's beginnings in the 80s as the culprit of the economic inequality and the kicker for the US's economic instability.
"What Capitalism Has To Fear From Inequality" recently appeared in the NY Times and various other major newspapers, which include the opinions of major business leaders.
"Does Donald Trump Have A Point" recently appeared in Forbes. Both pieces echo the same point.
Also the World Bank and IMF and quite a few economists have stated that income/wealth inequality are dragging down the economy.
The point is, currently our style of capitalism is counter productive and has contributed towards the downward slide of the US. Much like Greece's style of socialism contributed to Greece's economist failure.

What is unequal, we both have the same opportunities for education.

We both have the same chance for jobs based on qulifications.

Explain this catch phrase "income inequality" and tell us why society has any need to meddle in the labor force.

I mean you people throw those phrases around like they have some significance to them.

Once again, please explain.

Why don't you read the two articles?
Of course, thinking you would put in the effort to do so is a fantasy.Based on your posts, I doubt that you would read anything that isn't far right ideologically driven opinionated talking points.

What part did I miss??
Damn, that was a long way of stating you are too fucking stupid to pen an intelligent response.

You're the idiot who thinks inequality doesn't exist and you're calling me stupid as you disagree with the world's most respected economists and their proof?
What a clown. Just keep on making an ass out of yourself. Hey, I all for free speech and all the entertainment it provides.

Like I said before, explain this income inequality you speak of.

The fact that CEO's make much more than moronic fucking workers like you is because the have intelligence and skill sets your kind has never even dreamed of.

You go to work at a factory someone else has built, making a product they have developed / conquered process, you have no say in how the company is run and if you can get out of bed and be at work on time without being fucked up or drunk you think that you should dictate your own pay standards.

When you get laughed at you parrot a catch phrase that don't mean shit and act like you got all the answers.

OK, you wanted information and now you're turning this into an insult off. If you actually want the information, Google the words income inequality and spend a couple of hours reading articles or watching youtube videos then look up dissenting arguments, compare and contrast and decide what makes the most sense. CEOs have always made more money than workers, that's not the issue. Just go inform yourself on your own instead of trolling and yelling at everyone who tries to tell you something. If you have the time to yell at everyone for being a moron, then you have the time to read a couple of economists explaining what income equality is and decide for yourself. I don't expect your opinion to change since you clearly hate the idea in general, but at least that way you will understand the arguments of the other side. I looked up dozens of articles on both sides and concluded that income inequality was a real problem in America today. If you don't believe that, that's fine. But don't pretend you are looking for information when you're looking for someone you disagree with to yell at.

 

[Clementine]

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

I think the left loves the idea of socialism, but realize they can't admit it because it's rejected by smart people. It fails every time.

While they claim that business owners 'didn't build that' and chastise them for using infrastructure to make their businesses successful, they ignore the fact that even though everyone uses public utilities, not everyone pays for them. That is socialism. It's about one half carrying the other half. No complaints on supporting the disabled or downtrodden, but paying the way for able bodied people got old a long time ago. Socialism fails because the half that carries the burden realize that it's unfair and eventually decide to stop being taken advantage of and things begin to collapse.

We always hear that we need to pay our fair share, but some people make choices to ensure that they will never have to share the responsibility. They become part of that burden that the rest of us must carry.

The left has nothing but excuses for those who choose a free ride. It's sad that many have no choice and are unable to care for themselves, but it's sickening when some just don't want to deal with a job every day to support themselves and the community. News flash: A lot of people really hate their jobs, but they have a sense of right and wrong that doesn't allow them to take advantage of others.

The reason the left is so quick to make excuses for people not getting good jobs (racism, for instance) is because they would become irrelevant if people didn't depend on them for virtually everything. It's no different than drug dealers who get people hooked and know they will have loyalty from their addicts. By offering excuses for those who are making poor choices, they guarantee lifetime dependency and loyal voters. I think it's really that simple.

If they wanted to address the problem, they would have come up with a different approach decades ago. We've known for a long time that the current system doesn't work and merely creates more poor people. If it's not by design, then those who support the welfare state are too stupid to serve this country.

By claiming we already have socialism, the left hopes that people will be convinced that it's not so bad and quit fighting against it. Of course, we don't have true socialism yet and it would be a living hell if we did.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

OK, you wanted information and now you're turning this into an insult off. If you actually want the information, Google the words income inequality and spend a couple of hours reading articles or watching youtube videos then look up dissenting arguments, compare and contrast and decide what makes the most sense. CEOs have always made more money than workers, that's not the issue. Just go inform yourself on your own instead of trolling and yelling at everyone who tries to tell you something. If you have the time to yell at everyone for being a moron, then you have the time to read a couple of economists explaining what income equality is and decide for yourself. I don't expect your opinion to change since you clearly hate the idea in general, but at least that way you will understand the arguments of the other side. I looked up dozens of articles on both sides and concluded that income inequality was a real problem in America today. If you don't believe that, that's fine. But don't pretend you are looking for information when you're looking for someone you disagree with to yell at.

So you can't explain it, you don't know what your argument is and you posted irrelevant Bull Shit again.

My God man, when are you going to get on with it??

 

[Iceweasel]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

 

[BULLDOG]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

Since 2009, the top 1% has had an average increase in income of 20%. The bottom 99% has an average income increase of 1%. Are you saying the entire lower 99% are sloppy dufuses?

 

[NYcarbineer]

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

Medicaid is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Public education is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

The military is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Shall I go on?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

You did a bank job today involving a ladder and tools? lol, that sounds like burglary.

 

[Iceweasel]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

Since 2009, the top 1% has had an average increase in income of 20%. The bottom 99% has an average income increase of 1%. Are you saying the entire lower 99% are sloppy dufuses?

You're complaining about the top 1% ? No wonder you're unhappy. I don't measure my worth with someone that buys yachts on a whim. Ask the google execs how they make so much.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

Medicaid is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Public education is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

The military is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Shall I go on?

No all of those are aspects of a capitalist society, they are called safety net programs.

You just are making false assumptions in that both system have those components must make both systems the same.

You can not have a socialist society that will be self supporting, never has been one and never will be one.

We have already been down the European models are all failing and those are supposed to be the poster children for socialism.

You really got shitted on intelligence in life, didn't you??

 

[NYcarbineer]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

Oh please. The only tool you ever lift is when you get out of bed in the morning. Or noon. Or whenever.

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

Medicaid is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Public education is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

The military is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Shall I go on?

No all of those are aspects of a capitalist society, they are called safety net programs.

You just are making false assumptions in that both system have those components must make both systems the same.

You can not have a socialist society that will be self supporting, never has been one and never will be one.

We have already been down the European models are all failing and those are supposed to be the poster children for socialism.

You really got shitted on intelligence in life, didn't you??

So you're taking the position that virtually no Democrats are Socialists,

given that they simply support safety net programs within a capitalist society...


lol, OOPS!

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Income inequality means the filthy, lazy asshole that has literally nothing to offer society should make the same amount of money as the guy that busts his ass every day, take risks and performs valuable services for the community.

I came from a job at a bank downtown and it's as clear as day. LOTS of sloppy dufuses bebopping along too fucking stupid to move over from the middle of the sidewalk when a guy is caring a ladder and tools.

Oh please. The only tool you ever lift is when you get out of bed in the morning. Or noon. Or whenever.

the Left lectures that all our publicly run programs and institutions are examples of Socialism we already have. then they demand MORE OF THAT, and FIGHT any attempt to privatize anything. Then the same left-wingers that lecture on what socialism is STILL CRY that you "dont know what socialism is" even after THEY told you what it was.

what's up wit that?

Medicaid is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Public education is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

The military is socialist. Name the Republicans who want to end it, outright.

Shall I go on?

No all of those are aspects of a capitalist society, they are called safety net programs.

You just are making false assumptions in that both system have those components must make both systems the same.

You can not have a socialist society that will be self supporting, never has been one and never will be one.

We have already been down the European models are all failing and those are supposed to be the poster children for socialism.

You really got shitted on intelligence in life, didn't you??

So you're taking the position that virtually no Democrats are Socialists,

given that they simply support safety net programs within a capitalist society...


lol, OOPS!

No, that is a statement you seem to have made or a myth you seem to have contrived in your delusional head.

I will add lack of comprehension and just plain stupid to your personal resume .......................

 

[Iceweasel]

Oh please. The only tool you ever lift is when you get out of bed in the morning. Or noon. Or whenever.

You're a special kind of idiot. You stand out and for this place that's something!

 

[Iceweasel]

I will add lack of comprehension and just plain stupid to your personal resume .......................

It's pretty much all he's got.

 

[danielpalos]

OK, couple of things here.

What specifically do you dislike about socialism, and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs? Don't give me slippery slope or some other weasel excuse. What specifically do you dislike about socialism and how does that differ from the way we run current social programs?

Which socialist program is NOT in trouble?

OK, couple of things here, EPA, OSHA, the clean water you drink and student aid. Secondly, I find it funny that right-wing folks act as though social programs are bankrupting this country, not the unnecessary TRILLIONS spent in foreign wars. The amount we give out in bailouts of "corporate welfare" TRIPLES the amount we pay for personal welfare, food stamps, social security etc.. As for Greece being a failed example of socialism Greece was the primary victim of the 2008 financial crisis when countries of the world shifted their problems around and they landed on Greece. The idea that socialism is what caused Greece to fail is borderline retarded. Since the world governments have been calling for austerity in Greece (the cutback of wages, benefits, social programs etc. ) things in Greece went from slow recovery to a complete landslide back into worse economic chaos. To look for a state that has had more socialism for quite some time and uses it to the benefit of all successfully you have Finland and Denmark to just name two. And while we are at I suppose that you blame social programs for every major financial collapse in America? Who cares that it stems from unregulated, risky banking tactics.

The EPA and OSHA dole money out to the public??

When one is so fucking ignorant they try to run a lie like that, it kills their credibility.

Now ever time I see your name, no need to read that ignorant, lying sack of poos crap, will be the first thought that comes to mind.

That's what you think socialism is? If money is distributed to any section of the public, you think it is socialism, but if not, it isn't socialism? You are an idiot.

Some on the left may even believe that simply using the (other) Peoples' tax monies is socialism.