Lefties explain our institutions are examples of Socialism; then cry that you dont know the meaning

[Mac1958]

Socialism: Cuba
Social Democracy: Germany

I wonder how much longer the two are going to be conflated.

yea i know; left-wingers cry about this all the time. but i'm not the one who said flat out the US military, among other institutions, are examples of socialism; are "socialist institutions". Besides, there are people on the Left in American politics, alot of them, that really do want something closer to "pure" socialism than the social democracies of Europe

Okay, two things there:

I would agree that some on the very far Left would be open to some kind of "modern" version of a pure socialist state. But that would be the real fringe, a tiny amount. Otherwise, everything will be a matter of degree. And I'm pretty sure that their goal is a Euro-social democracy, such as Germany, Sweden. For good or bad, that's it.

Regarding the way the lefties bring up socialist elements of our society, that's a door opened by conservatives when they scream "socialism" so often. This allows the lefties to easily point at elements of our society that could easily be described as "socialist", and say that we're already there to some degree.

That's why I point out the difference. The Right is complicit in this country's move to the Left because it's so easy to poke holes in absolutism.

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ok "two things here";

how do you know it's a "tiny amount"? did you poll them all?

and in the same breath you say conservatives "open the door" i'm going to say left-wingers opened the door whining about how they are so misunderstood when in fact they are clearly what they are,
oh and you dont even know if they would be happy with the social democracy system of the type in europe do you?

Haven't polled 'em on the "tiny amount". Just my observation. I also think there are some on the Right who want a pure libertarian state, but I haven't polled them, either.

Regarding a Euro-social democracy, yeah, I'm pretty sure about that. It's been my experience throughout my life that lefties tend to have a real affinity for many things Europe, and I agree with them on much of it. I don't see any of them pining to go beyond that.

Hey, this is up to you. I'm just pointing out that the "socialism" argument is fighting a ghost and making a Euro-social democracy an easier sell.

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[bedowin62]

Benefits? What benefits?

Benefits like not having to worry about medical bills if you need a doctor (socialist healthcare), knowing you'll be able to feed your children even if you only have a minimum wage job at wallmart (a guaranteed decent minimum wage), the chance to get a good education even if your parents aren't rich (free public education), not having to live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans if the "job creators" decide to move your job to China (social security and unemployment benefits) etc. etc.

I know, it's pure evil. If you start with things like that you'll end up like North Korea in no time.

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

 

[bedowin62]

welfare is socialism; who knew?

well since welfare and food stamps and poverty have all increased under Progressive governance left-wing idiot Jantje; i guess you morons better stop whining you're being called socialists and own your failure huh?

on the other hand thoug it IS nice of you to "help' all the poor people yoour failed ideology has CREATED

 

[bedowin62]

Socialism: Cuba
Social Democracy: Germany

I wonder how much longer the two are going to be conflated.

yea i know; left-wingers cry about this all the time. but i'm not the one who said flat out the US military, among other institutions, are examples of socialism; are "socialist institutions". Besides, there are people on the Left in American politics, alot of them, that really do want something closer to "pure" socialism than the social democracies of Europe

Okay, two things there:

I would agree that some on the very far Left would be open to some kind of "modern" version of a pure socialist state. But that would be the real fringe, a tiny amount. Otherwise, everything will be a matter of degree. And I'm pretty sure that their goal is a Euro-social democracy, such as Germany, Sweden. For good or bad, that's it.

Regarding the way the lefties bring up socialist elements of our society, that's a door opened by conservatives when they scream "socialism" so often. This allows the lefties to easily point at elements of our society that could easily be described as "socialist", and say that we're already there to some degree.

That's why I point out the difference. The Right is complicit in this country's move to the Left because it's so easy to poke holes in absolutism.

.

ok "two things here";

how do you know it's a "tiny amount"? did you poll them all?

and in the same breath you say conservatives "open the door" i'm going to say left-wingers opened the door whining about how they are so misunderstood when in fact they are clearly what they are,
oh and you dont even know if they would be happy with the social democracy system of the type in europe do you?

Haven't polled 'em on the "tiny amount". Just my observation. I also think there are some on the Right who want a pure libertarian state, but I haven't polled them, either.

Regarding a Euro-social democracy, yeah, I'm pretty sure about that. It's been my experience throughout my life that lefties tend to have a real affinity for many things Europe, and I agree with them on much of it. I don't see any of them pining to go beyond that.

Hey, this is up to you. I'm just pointing out that the "socialism" argument is fighting a ghost and making a Euro-social democracy an easier sell.

.

WOULDNT it be an :"easier sell" on account of the points you say you agree with; and not because of what somebody else says genius?

 

[bedowin62]

i wonder if the Left here would like to have the LOSER-PAYS tort system many European countires have?

would our lawyer-lobby stand for that?

 

[Mac1958]

Socialism: Cuba
Social Democracy: Germany

I wonder how much longer the two are going to be conflated.

yea i know; left-wingers cry about this all the time. but i'm not the one who said flat out the US military, among other institutions, are examples of socialism; are "socialist institutions". Besides, there are people on the Left in American politics, alot of them, that really do want something closer to "pure" socialism than the social democracies of Europe

Okay, two things there:

I would agree that some on the very far Left would be open to some kind of "modern" version of a pure socialist state. But that would be the real fringe, a tiny amount. Otherwise, everything will be a matter of degree. And I'm pretty sure that their goal is a Euro-social democracy, such as Germany, Sweden. For good or bad, that's it.

Regarding the way the lefties bring up socialist elements of our society, that's a door opened by conservatives when they scream "socialism" so often. This allows the lefties to easily point at elements of our society that could easily be described as "socialist", and say that we're already there to some degree.

That's why I point out the difference. The Right is complicit in this country's move to the Left because it's so easy to poke holes in absolutism.

.

ok "two things here";

how do you know it's a "tiny amount"? did you poll them all?

and in the same breath you say conservatives "open the door" i'm going to say left-wingers opened the door whining about how they are so misunderstood when in fact they are clearly what they are,
oh and you dont even know if they would be happy with the social democracy system of the type in europe do you?

Haven't polled 'em on the "tiny amount". Just my observation. I also think there are some on the Right who want a pure libertarian state, but I haven't polled them, either.

Regarding a Euro-social democracy, yeah, I'm pretty sure about that. It's been my experience throughout my life that lefties tend to have a real affinity for many things Europe, and I agree with them on much of it. I don't see any of them pining to go beyond that.

Hey, this is up to you. I'm just pointing out that the "socialism" argument is fighting a ghost and making a Euro-social democracy an easier sell.

.

WOULDNT it be an :"easier sell" on account of the points you say you agree with; and not because of what somebody else says genius?

It's just an observation. If you think screaming "socialism" is going to advance your agenda, go for it.

I have the same conversation with liberals and "racism".

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[Jantje_Smit]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

 

[bedowin62]

I dont have to "scream" anything; the Left is responsible for what they want here. they need to stop whining and making excuses

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

yawn; IT IS within the framework of our capitalist system that we have public schools you mindless moron

if all the things you mention are proof we already have a socialist system we wouldnt be having this conversation because there would be nothing to talk about, the matter would be settled

man what an idiot

 

[NYcarbineer]

Benefits? What benefits?

Benefits like not having to worry about medical bills if you need a doctor (socialist healthcare), knowing you'll be able to feed your children even if you only have a minimum wage job at wallmart (a guaranteed decent minimum wage), the chance to get a good education even if your parents aren't rich (free public education), not having to live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans if the "job creators" decide to move your job to China (social security and unemployment benefits) etc. etc.

I know, it's pure evil. If you start with things like that you'll end up like North Korea in no time.

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

How would you replace Medicaid with capitalism?

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

i dont need ayn Rand slogans; you dont have an argument. if it is your position tha we already have soclialism on account of the existence of the things you mentioned; then what is the Left advocating for more of?

 

[NYcarbineer]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

yawn; IT IS within the framework of our capitalist system that we have public schools you mindless moron

if all the things you mention are proof we already have a socialist system we wouldnt be having this conversation because there would be nothing to talk about, the matter would be settled

man what an idiot

So Democrats are not socialists even if they support socialistic institutions within the framework of a capitalist system?

 

[bedowin62]

Benefits? What benefits?

Benefits like not having to worry about medical bills if you need a doctor (socialist healthcare), knowing you'll be able to feed your children even if you only have a minimum wage job at wallmart (a guaranteed decent minimum wage), the chance to get a good education even if your parents aren't rich (free public education), not having to live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans if the "job creators" decide to move your job to China (social security and unemployment benefits) etc. etc.

I know, it's pure evil. If you start with things like that you'll end up like North Korea in no time.

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

How would you replace Medicaid with capitalism?

vouchers

too easy

 

[NYcarbineer]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

i dont need ayn Rand slogans; you dont have an argument. if it is your position tha we already have soclialism on account of the existence of the things you mentioned; then what is the Left advocating for more of?

Socialized medicine is not socialism?

lol

 

[bedowin62]

this is what you idiots are so proud of:

The Most Wasteful Government Programs - Kevin Glass
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Jan 17, 2015 - "Waste, fraud, and abuse. ... The Most Wasteful Government Programs ... Medicaid comes off pretty well here, as does SNAP (commonly called

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

i dont need ayn Rand slogans; you dont have an argument. if it is your position tha we already have soclialism on account of the existence of the things you mentioned; then what is the Left advocating for more of?

Socialized medicine is not socialism?

lol

of course not idiot; because if it was you losers wouldnt be whining about the system we have now

easy
try again

 

[NYcarbineer]

Benefits? What benefits?

Benefits like not having to worry about medical bills if you need a doctor (socialist healthcare), knowing you'll be able to feed your children even if you only have a minimum wage job at wallmart (a guaranteed decent minimum wage), the chance to get a good education even if your parents aren't rich (free public education), not having to live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans if the "job creators" decide to move your job to China (social security and unemployment benefits) etc. etc.

I know, it's pure evil. If you start with things like that you'll end up like North Korea in no time.

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

How would you replace Medicaid with capitalism?

vouchers

too easy

Vouchers aren't capitalism. Medicaid recipients already get de facto vouchers. Food stamps are vouchers.

Are you now saying that Medicaid is not a socialistic system?

 

[NYcarbineer]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

i dont need ayn Rand slogans; you dont have an argument. if it is your position tha we already have soclialism on account of the existence of the things you mentioned; then what is the Left advocating for more of?

Socialized medicine is not socialism?

lol

of course not idiot; because if it was you losers wouldnt be whining about the system we have now

easy
try again

So the people who call single payer socialist are idiots.

You are twisting in the wind.

 

[bedowin62]

1. you're saying all the institutions we have no are examples of socialism

you're clearly advocating for more of that

you are crying about being called Socialists??

lol

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN; nothing you mentioned cant be accomplished through capitalism, through the system we have, or by other means. you mention food stamps. is that really mean we have socialism?

you clowns love to move the goal posts!!

Oh really? This should be good, please explain how holy capitalism provides free public education, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you if you're poor and get sick, a decent minimum wage etc.

That is if you actually have some arguments instead of Ayn Rand slogans

i dont need ayn Rand slogans; you dont have an argument. if it is your position tha we already have soclialism on account of the existence of the things you mentioned; then what is the Left advocating for more of?

Socialized medicine is not socialism?

lol

of course not idiot; because if it was you losers wouldnt be whining about the system we have now

easy
try again

So the people who call single payer socialist are idiots.

You are twisting in the wind.

not idiots, socialists, according to YOU
so the point, again, is stop crying about being called socialists