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Actually, when Australia was formed, there were no humans, just plants and animals. So everyone in Oz, none of you belong there, so everyone please go jump in the ocean, NOW!
Actually, when Australia was formed, there were no humans, just plants and animals. So everyone in Oz, none of you belong there, so everyone please go jump in the ocean, NOW!
Nice nonsensical, useless response from the asshole gallery. Just hilarious how in the minds of the mentally ill jew-haters, jews are not allowed to migrate - but others can and even slaughter the native population - that's manifest destiny, or the natural order. Just fucking hilarious.
As the Aboriginal population is only 4 % of the AUSTRALIAN population it would be a little hard methinks.
It was their country first, fucking moron **** idiot asshole - now ignored. This turd sounds like shogun....hmmmm.....
Actually, when Australia was formed, there were no humans, just plants and animals. So everyone in Oz, none of you belong there, so everyone please go jump in the ocean, NOW!
Again, you claimed: "they've lived in shithole dumps for the past 70 years with no hope for a better future any time soon."
Which clearly fails to address the fact that people in Bahrain, Dubai and Kuwait enjoy an exceptional standard of living, and also that in countries like Turkey, Malaysia and Beirut we see people enjoying great lives and having a high standard of living.
I was referring to the pal arabs living in camps all over the mideast, fucking retarded idiot.
Again, you claimed: "they've lived in shithole dumps for the past 70 years with no hope for a better future any time soon."
Which clearly fails to address the fact that people in Bahrain, Dubai and Kuwait enjoy an exceptional standard of living, and also that in countries like Turkey, Malaysia and Beirut we see people enjoying great lives and having a high standard of living.
I was referring to the pal arabs living in camps all over the mideast, fucking retarded idiot.
Precisely which camps do you mean?
Please name them, and tell us which ones you have been to personally?
I ask this, because very few people actually have a clue what the camps actually are - but if you have been personally, then you'll know.
BTW - Please try and stick to facts and posts of substance - your childish abuse just makes you look like a bitter loser.
HUH??? When any land was formed there were no humans. So what is your point here?
It was their country first, fucking moron **** idiot asshole - now ignored. This turd sounds like shogun....hmmmm.....
Actually, when Australia was formed, there were no humans, just plants and animals. So everyone in Oz, none of you belong there, so everyone please go jump in the ocean, NOW!
Exactly. Rendering the whole false argument of "whomever got there first owns the land in perpetuity" completely moot.Ima -
And where did aboriginals immigrate from?
If you are going to take that approach, the only country in the world with a claim to own land would be Kenya.
Ima -
then we totally agree.
I see no point in attempting to discuss land ownership before the time when people abandoned nomadic lifestyles and settled into permanant communities, from which continual haibation can be traced.
We know that the foreafethers of todays Palestinians lived in towns like Jericho 3,000+ years ago, and we know they formed the majority of the population in that time. We also know a small number of Jews lived alongside them.
To me that is really the beginning and the end of it.
The claims that modern Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jebusites are made without any supporting evidence. Historians and archaeologists have generally concluded that most, if not all, modern Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan and other countries than they are to the ancient Jebusites, Canaanites or Philistines.
Oxford University Press: Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean: Eric H. Cline
There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.
Amazon.com: Palestinian Identity (9780231105156): Rashid Khalidi: Books
By [Arabs] bypassing the Biblical Israelites and claiming kinship with the Canaanites, it is possible to assert a historical claim antedating the biblical promise and possession put forward by the Jews. This line of argument isaccompanied by the common practice in Arab countries, in textbook, museums and exhibitions of minimizing the Jewish role in ancient history or, more frequently, presenting it in very negative terms.
In terms of scholarship as distinct from politics, there is no evidence whatsoever for the assertion that the Canaanites were Arabs.
Amazon.com: Political Words and Ideas in Islam (9781558764248): Bernard Lewis: Books
On August 18 Yasir Arafat, speaking as head of the Palestinian National Authority in Gaza and Jericho, told Arab youngsters at a summer camp, "Those of you who lit the intifada fire must now act as defenders of this young state, whose capital is Jerusalem. It is Bir Salem [the fountain of Salem]. Salem was one of the Canaanite Kings, one of our forefathers. This city is the capital of our children and our children's children. If not for this belief and conviction of the Palestinian nation, this people would have been erased from the face of the earth, as were so many other nations."
King Salem is a newcomer on the historical scene. No such Canaanite, Jebusite or Philistine king is known to history
Amazon.com: Martin Gilbert'sThe Routledge Atlas of Jewish History (Routledge Historical Atlases) [Hardcover](2010): M., (Author) Gilbert: Books
Brothers, there are 1.8 million of us in Gaza. Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots and every Palestinian in Gaza and throughout Palestine can prove his Arab roots--whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere.
Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that.
More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [Egyptian]
Brothers, half of the Palestiniains are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis
Who are the Palestinians? we have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. we are Arabs. We are Muslims
Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: "Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis"
Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
True.
But it is in the interests of both Palestinians and Israelis that Palestinian voters sense they will get a better deal elsewhere.
How did UNO defeat Sandinista in the classis Nicaraguan election of 1990?
By offering peace - and the benefits of peace, such as an end to conscription.
If Israel really wanted peace, they could offer something similiar to the Camp David deal to Fatah, with conditions. They way voters in Gaza might consider abandoning Hamas and back the more moderate Fatah.
In one sense, Israel strengthened Hamas by bombing it to death a couple of years back - it proved that what Hamas says about Israel is true, in one sense.
The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.
Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”
Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.
So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.
Myths of the Middle East
Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
True.
But it is in the interests of both Palestinians and Israelis that Palestinian voters sense they will get a better deal elsewhere.
How did UNO defeat Sandinista in the classis Nicaraguan election of 1990?
By offering peace - and the benefits of peace, such as an end to conscription.
If Israel really wanted peace, they could offer something similiar to the Camp David deal to Fatah, with conditions. They way voters in Gaza might consider abandoning Hamas and back the more moderate Fatah.
In one sense, Israel strengthened Hamas by bombing it to death a couple of years back - it proved that what Hamas says about Israel is true, in one sense.
Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
True.
But it is in the interests of both Palestinians and Israelis that Palestinian voters sense they will get a better deal elsewhere.
How did UNO defeat Sandinista in the classis Nicaraguan election of 1990?
By offering peace - and the benefits of peace, such as an end to conscription.
If Israel really wanted peace, they could offer something similiar to the Camp David deal to Fatah, with conditions. They way voters in Gaza might consider abandoning Hamas and back the more moderate Fatah.
In one sense, Israel strengthened Hamas by bombing it to death a couple of years back - it proved that what Hamas says about Israel is true, in one sense.
I keep hearing the term moderate when talking about Fatah. That was not what the Palestinians were looking for in the elections.
Hamas does for the people and defends the people.
Fatah does not.
When Israel attacks Palestinians in Gaza it is met with bombs and bullets.
In the West Bank Fatah rolls out the red carpet. The PA has a 50,000 security force. Half of its budget goes to security. Yet when Palestinians are attacked there is never a cop in sight.
Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
True.
But it is in the interests of both Palestinians and Israelis that Palestinian voters sense they will get a better deal elsewhere.
How did UNO defeat Sandinista in the classis Nicaraguan election of 1990?
By offering peace - and the benefits of peace, such as an end to conscription.
If Israel really wanted peace, they could offer something similiar to the Camp David deal to Fatah, with conditions. They way voters in Gaza might consider abandoning Hamas and back the more moderate Fatah.
In one sense, Israel strengthened Hamas by bombing it to death a couple of years back - it proved that what Hamas says about Israel is true, in one sense.
I keep hearing the term moderate when talking about Fatah. That was not what the Palestinians were looking for in the elections.
Hamas does for the people and defends the people.
Fatah does not.
When Israel attacks Palestinians in Gaza it is met with bombs and bullets.
In the West Bank Fatah rolls out the red carpet. The PA has a 50,000 security force. Half of its budget goes to security. Yet when Palestinians are attacked there is never a cop in sight.
Rhodes - Which camps have you been to? Please be specific in your answer, because when yo say "all over the mideast" I am not sure what you mean.
Roadz thinks that the "natives" (abos) own Oz because they were there first. But my point is that the abos are immigrants as well.
So true Tinmore. Long live Hamas. They have already killed more Palestinians in the few years since their election by the Palestinian people than Israel has since 1948.
True.
But it is in the interests of both Palestinians and Israelis that Palestinian voters sense they will get a better deal elsewhere.
How did UNO defeat Sandinista in the classis Nicaraguan election of 1990?
By offering peace - and the benefits of peace, such as an end to conscription.
If Israel really wanted peace, they could offer something similiar to the Camp David deal to Fatah, with conditions. They way voters in Gaza might consider abandoning Hamas and back the more moderate Fatah.
In one sense, Israel strengthened Hamas by bombing it to death a couple of years back - it proved that what Hamas says about Israel is true, in one sense.
I keep hearing the term moderate when talking about Fatah. That was not what the Palestinians were looking for in the elections.
Hamas does for the people and defends the people.
Fatah does not.
When Israel attacks Palestinians in Gaza it is met with bombs and bullets.
In the West Bank Fatah rolls out the red carpet. The PA has a 50,000 security force. Half of its budget goes to security. Yet when Palestinians are attacked there is never a cop in sight.
So true Tinmore. Long live Hamas. They have already killed more Palestinians in the few years since their election by the Palestinian people than Israel has since 1948.
I keep hearing the term moderate when talking about Fatah. That was not what the Palestinians were looking for in the elections.
Hamas does for the people and defends the people.
Fatah does not.
When Israel attacks Palestinians in Gaza it is met with bombs and bullets.
In the West Bank Fatah rolls out the red carpet. The PA has a 50,000 security force. Half of its budget goes to security. Yet when Palestinians are attacked there is never a cop in sight.
Only the Palestinians who are on the US payroll.
Only the Palestinians who are on the US payroll.
