Let's get rid of teachers.

[Flopper]

With online textbooks, videos of lessons about most any acedemic topic, and tutorial programs, the old fashion classroom lecture is much less needed.

I agree that online lessons is an efficient way to learn. However, the classroom still allows one the opportunity to ask questions when unclear on the subject matter.

He who opens a school door, closes a prison. - Victor Hugo

Charter schools...

Self study and online courses certainly have a place in education but not as a replacement for classroom education. The last thing teenagers need is isolation from their peers. Students in grades 9 through 12 are spending an average 3 1/2 hours a day in front of a computer screen in addition to classroom activities. Kids need interaction with other students, participation in class projects, and peer pressure. This's what they will face daily in the workplace. They need to develop personal skills to deal with peers and and superiors, the ability to work with others, and to follow rules. You don't learn those skills sitting in front of a computer screen.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

[Self study and online courses certainly have a place in education but not as a replacement for classroom education. The last thing teenagers need is isolation from their peers. Students in grades 9 through 12 are spending an average 3 1/2 hours a day in front of a computer screen in addition to classroom activities. Kids need interaction with other students, participation in class projects, and peer pressure. This's what they will face daily in the workplace. They need to develop personal skills to deal with peers and and superiors, the ability to work with others, and to follow rules. You don't learn those skills sitting in front of a computer screen.

HAHAHA More lliberal gibberish about the importance of "interpersonal relationships". Kids need to learn STEM, you idiot, and nothing else matters.

 

[Flopper]

[Self study and online courses certainly have a place in education but not as a replacement for classroom education. The last thing teenagers need is isolation from their peers. Students in grades 9 through 12 are spending an average 3 1/2 hours a day in front of a computer screen in addition to classroom activities. Kids need interaction with other students, participation in class projects, and peer pressure. This's what they will face daily in the workplace. They need to develop personal skills to deal with peers and and superiors, the ability to work with others, and to follow rules. You don't learn those skills sitting in front of a computer screen.

HAHAHA More lliberal gibberish about the importance of "interpersonal relationships". Kids need to learn STEM, you idiot, and nothing else matters.

So just science, technology, engineering, and mathematics matters; no English Composition, no American History, no Government, and no Finance? So it's OK, it we turn out kids that can't write coherently and know nothing of the history of our nation or how our government functions and have no understanding of finances?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

[HAHAHA More lliberal gibberish about the importance of "interpersonal relationships". Kids need to learn STEM, you idiot, and nothing else matters.

So just science, technology, engineering, and mathematics matters; no English Composition, no American History, no Government, and no Finance? So it's OK, it we turn out kids that can't write coherently and know nothing of the history of our nation or how our government functions and have no understanding of finances?

Finance is part of stem so it's ok but skip the history and govt and literature crap. That's easy verbal mush and alsouseless. If kids want to learn that crap, they can get a book at the library and learn it.

THINK

 

[gipper]

I can see having them for young kids but in HS and college we should just give the student the textbooks and tell him when to show up for the tests. Why have a human repeat what's in the book?

Everything i learned in HS and college was thru self-study.

Worth a try, since the teachers now don't teach and only care about their salaries and benefits given them by their leftist unions.

But of course, you know that the p-schools are all about providing lifetime jobs to liberals and not about educating our youth. So, there is no chance your idea would ever be implemented....sadly.

The p-schools are a racket like most things the left has controlled.

 

[Samson]

First you propose to eliminate teachers of anyone 14-18, then you ignore the question about how this demographic would be employed,

HAHAHA. So now we can't fire anyone unless we have another job lined up for them??

Apparently I'm speaking too fast for you to keep up.

I'll connect the fucking dots for you:

If you do not warehouse people aged 14-18 in school, then they must be able to work.

Finding a job for them is their own concern.

Current child labor laws prevent them from working.

Change the labor laws, and we don't need to concern ourselves with schools, teachers, or curriculum for those 14-18 yr olds that would rather work.

 

[Samson]

I agree that online lessons is an efficient way to learn. However, the classroom still allows one the opportunity to ask questions when unclear on the subject matter.

He who opens a school door, closes a prison. - Victor Hugo

Charter schools...

Self study and online courses certainly have a place in education but not as a replacement for classroom education. The last thing teenagers need is isolation from their peers. Students in grades 9 through 12 are spending an average 3 1/2 hours a day in front of a computer screen in addition to classroom activities. Kids need interaction with other students, participation in class projects, and peer pressure. This's what they will face daily in the workplace. They need to develop personal skills to deal with peers and and superiors, the ability to work with others, and to follow rules. You don't learn those skills sitting in front of a computer screen.

How about getting a job to find out what they will "face daily in the work-place?"

Somehow this seems more helpful than making a poster about MLK in a group for 90 minutes a day whilst the teacher plans the next "lesson" about the value of whales.

 

[Unkotare]

Current child labor laws prevent them from working..

No they don't.

 

[Samson]

Current child labor laws prevent them from working..

No they don't.

Once again you're always useful to make the tedious exception for Amish Children, but not for much else of practical application.


In 2004, the United States passed an amendment to the Fair Labour Standards Act of 1938.
The amendment allows certain children aged 14–18 to work in or outside a business where machinery is used to process wood. The law aims to respect the religious and cultural needs of the Amish community of the United States. The Amish believe that one effective way to educate children is on the job. The new law allows Amish children the ability to work with their families, once they are past eighth grade in school

Happily your insistance on the hyperbolic only strengthens the general argument I've made:
The point remains that existing labor laws prevent most kids from working, thus non-Amish kids cannot work outside the home like their 18+ yo counterparts.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Unkotare]

What is the Youngest Age You Can Be In Order to Get a Job? | Chron.com

 

[Flopper]

[HAHAHA More lliberal gibberish about the importance of "interpersonal relationships". Kids need to learn STEM, you idiot, and nothing else matters.

So just science, technology, engineering, and mathematics matters; no English Composition, no American History, no Government, and no Finance? So it's OK, it we turn out kids that can't write coherently and know nothing of the history of our nation or how our government functions and have no understanding of finances?

Finance is part of stem so it's ok but skip the history and govt and literature crap. That's easy verbal mush and alsouseless. If kids want to learn that crap, they can get a book at the library and learn it.

THINK

That other crap whether you recognize it or not is important.

Verbal and written communications skills will ultimately determine how far you will advance in your career. It is not what you know that is so important but how well you can communicate that knowledge to others. Leaning to express your ideas through essays and verbal presentations are skills that will serve you well regardless of the career you choose.

So many young people who graduate with degrees in the STEM disciplines find their career is stymied because they can't effectively communicate to management how their work meets the goals of the business. Management is rarely interested in just the technical details but rather the impact on budgets and revenue, a vision of the end product or service and how that product will be marketed.

Middle management use to serve as the bridge between the technical staff and upper management. However, the flattening of management structures has decreased the size of middle management. The scientists and engineers often finds themselves preparing budgets, reports, news releases, project presentations, assisting in creating marketing campaigns, and dealing with customers who speak other language with different customs. You don't learn these skills in advanced calculus or thermodynamics but ultimately, they will determine how far you advance in your field.

You can learn communication, business, and financial skills as well as leaning about cultures and languages outside of a formal classroom. The problem is most people either lack the discipline to do so or do not have the time when holding down a job and raising a family.

 

[Steven_R]

You can learn communication, business, and financial skills as well as leaning about cultures and languages outside of a formal classroom. The problem is most people either lack the discipline to do so or do not have the time when holding down a job and raising a family.

Partly, but without those classes on a transcript, how does one prove to a potential employer that one does know communication, finance, business, and so on?

 

[Samson]

What is the Youngest Age You Can Be In Order to Get a Job? | Chron.com

federal law also restricts the number of hours that a 14- or 15- year old can work each week.



Thanks for helping make my point.

 

[Samson]

So many young people who graduate with degrees in the STEM disciplines find their career is stymied because they can't effectively communicate to management how their work meets the goals of the business.

No. A FEW people with degrees in STEM disciplines might find themslves pidgeon-holed, but MOST are quite able to communicate economic analysis.

Perhaps you meant to say that MANY people with liberal arts degrees cannot begin to grasp economics 101?

 

[Steven_R]

Most engineering degree programs require Intro to Macro and Intro to Microneconomics classes simply because both the FE and PE exams have economics and business sections.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Worth a try, since the teachers now don't teach and only care about their salaries and benefits given them by their leftist unions.

But of course, you know that the p-schools are all about providing lifetime jobs to liberals and not about educating our youth. So, there is no chance your idea would ever be implemented....sadly.

The p-schools are a racket like most things the left has controlled.

Public schools, diversity, and socialism. Three ideas that always fail and yet liberals support all three.

 

[Samson]

You can learn communication, business, and financial skills as well as leaning about cultures and languages outside of a formal classroom. The problem is most people either lack the discipline to do so or do not have the time when holding down a job and raising a family.

Partly, but without those classes on a transcript, how does one prove to a potential employer that one does know communication, finance, business, and so on?

Do you honestly believe employers read transcripts?



Naïveté is what I enjoy the most on teh internets.

 

[Steven_R]

Look at just about any government job application and they'll ask for transcripts.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Finance is part of stem so it's ok but skip the history and govt and literature crap. That's easy verbal mush and alsouseless. If kids want to learn that crap, they can get a book at the library and learn it.

THINK

That other crap whether you recognize it or not is important.

Verbal and written communications skills will ultimately determine how far you will advance in your career. It is not what you know that is so important but how well you can communicate that knowledge to others. Leaning to express your ideas through essays and verbal presentations are skills that will serve you well regardless of the career you choose.

So many young people who graduate with degrees in the STEM disciplines find their career is stymied because they can't effectively communicate to management how their work meets the goals of the business. Management is rarely interested in just the technical details but rather the impact on budgets and revenue, a vision of the end product or service and how that product will be marketed.

Middle management use to serve as the bridge between the technical staff and upper management. However, the flattening of management structures has decreased the size of middle management. The scientists and engineers often finds themselves preparing budgets, reports, news releases, project presentations, assisting in creating marketing campaigns, and dealing with customers who speak other language with different customs. You don't learn these skills in advanced calculus or thermodynamics but ultimately, they will determine how far you advance in your field.

You can learn communication, business, and financial skills as well as leaning about cultures and languages outside of a formal classroom. The problem is most people either lack the discipline to do so or do not have the time when holding down a job and raising a family.

Of course communication is important and i'm all for teaching literacy. But crap like sociology and literature and philosophy and painting and music don't teach communication skills. They're just useless garbage. Once the student can read and write fluently, all further instruction should be stem.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

No. A FEW people with degrees in STEM disciplines might find themslves pidgeon-holed, but MOST are quite able to communicate economic analysis.

Perhaps you meant to say that MANY people with liberal arts degrees cannot begin to grasp economics 101?

If you're good at math and physics, you're good at everything. OTOH people trained in liberal arts are lost at even trivial math.