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So whats the answer? for everyone to become a liberal democrat? You are either a defeatist or a liberal plant, I am still on the fence as to which.
well, if I said we should adopt something like Germany or Poland, or even Sweden - which I did years ago alibeit on a different board - you'd call me a RINO. But, as Sweden demonstrates, it's not socialism to use tax policy, even progressive tax policy, to get people into private markets. It's only socialism when the market is single payor.
Nevertheless, since you ask, I'd be inclined to return to voting gop if the party honestly said let's take something like the obamacare taxes and move to a Swedish (or Pole) model, and then explain in Reagan like terms why its better for people to take more control over their own insurance.
Sweden is a country with a small homogeneous population, its more like a large extended family, what might work there would never work here.
Note to some of the lefties-----------I did not call the swedes homosexuals.
So whats the answer? for everyone to become a liberal democrat? You are either a defeatist or a liberal plant, I am still on the fence as to which.
well, if I said we should adopt something like Germany or Poland, or even Sweden - which I did years ago alibeit on a different board - you'd call me a RINO. But, as Sweden demonstrates, it's not socialism to use tax policy, even progressive tax policy, to get people into private markets. It's only socialism when the market is single payor.
Nevertheless, since you ask, I'd be inclined to return to voting gop if the party honestly said let's take something like the obamacare taxes and move to a Swedish (or Pole) model, and then explain in Reagan like terms why its better for people to take more control over their own insurance.
I guess I am confused. Do people go to Germany, sweden, or Poland when they have serious medical conditions?
They do come to the USA, wonder why that is.
well, if I said we should adopt something like Germany or Poland, or even Sweden - which I did years ago alibeit on a different board - you'd call me a RINO. But, as Sweden demonstrates, it's not socialism to use tax policy, even progressive tax policy, to get people into private markets. It's only socialism when the market is single payor.
Nevertheless, since you ask, I'd be inclined to return to voting gop if the party honestly said let's take something like the obamacare taxes and move to a Swedish (or Pole) model, and then explain in Reagan like terms why its better for people to take more control over their own insurance.
Sweden is a country with a small homogeneous population, its more like a large extended family, what might work there would never work here.
Note to some of the lefties-----------I did not call the swedes homosexuals.
perhaps you didn't...
But wouldn't it be great if all Swedish women were bisexual?
Actually, I believe they are.
Actually, I believe ALL women are bisexual...some just haven't tried it yet.
The GOP wanted to waiver the employer mandate for a full year and Obama said no. In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
Nope. The GOP tried to defund all of ObamaCare in the budgets they kept submitting. Don't be trying to revise recent history. Some of us have longer memories than you goldfish.
Your topic is therefore based on an entirely false premise, and thus fails.
Washington: House Republicans on Saturday pushed the government to the brink of a partial shutdown in two days, nearing passage of a one-year delay in implementing major parts of President Barack Obama's health care law in defiance of the White House and Democratic-controlled Senate.
The White House quickly issued a veto threat and Senate Democrats vowed to reject the measure even before the House of Representatives began debating the Republican plan.
"Any member of the Republican Party who votes for this bill is voting for a shutdown," presidential press secretary Jay Carney said in a statement.
Undeterred, House Republicans pressed ahead with their latest attempt to squeeze a concession from the White House in exchange for providing the funds the government needs to open for business normally on Tuesday. The House Republican plan also would repeal a tax on medical devices that helps pay for the health care law.
hey...I'm a guy.....Sweden is a country with a small homogeneous population, its more like a large extended family, what might work there would never work here.
Note to some of the lefties-----------I did not call the swedes homosexuals.
perhaps you didn't...
But wouldn't it be great if all Swedish women were bisexual?
Actually, I believe they are.
Actually, I believe ALL women are bisexual...some just haven't tried it yet.
Just...ewwww
I guess I am confused. Do people go to Germany, sweden, or Poland when they have serious medical conditions?
Germany is considered by many the “Hospital of Europe”.
The country has more than twice as many hospitals per 1,000 citizens than the United States. German medical facilities also treat almost twice as many patients per capita than hospitals in the United States.
No waiting lists
With well staffed and abundant medical facilities in Germany the result is generally no waiting list. This is very attractive for people who cannot receive treatment quickly or are not able or do not want to wait for their treatment.
Swedes are one of the most mobile nationality in Europe. For several years ago people started to combine leisure travelling with medical background, e.g. surgeries, beauty and dental treatments or spa/wellness tourism, that were a lot cheaper than in Sweden.
I guess I am confused. Do people go to Germany, sweden, or Poland when they have serious medical conditions?
Yes. Yes they do.
Germany health care and medical tourism services
Germany is considered by many the Hospital of Europe.
The country has more than twice as many hospitals per 1,000 citizens than the United States. German medical facilities also treat almost twice as many patients per capita than hospitals in the United States.
No waiting lists
With well staffed and abundant medical facilities in Germany the result is generally no waiting list. This is very attractive for people who cannot receive treatment quickly or are not able or do not want to wait for their treatment.
Poland as a destination for Swedish medical tourists
Swedes are one of the most mobile nationality in Europe. For several years ago people started to combine leisure travelling with medical background, e.g. surgeries, beauty and dental treatments or spa/wellness tourism, that were a lot cheaper than in Sweden.
I guess I am confused. Do people go to Germany, sweden, or Poland when they have serious medical conditions?
Yes. Yes they do.
Germany health care and medical tourism services
Germany is considered by many the “Hospital of Europe”.
The country has more than twice as many hospitals per 1,000 citizens than the United States. German medical facilities also treat almost twice as many patients per capita than hospitals in the United States.
No waiting lists
With well staffed and abundant medical facilities in Germany the result is generally no waiting list. This is very attractive for people who cannot receive treatment quickly or are not able or do not want to wait for their treatment.
Poland as a destination for Swedish medical tourists
Swedes are one of the most mobile nationality in Europe. For several years ago people started to combine leisure travelling with medical background, e.g. surgeries, beauty and dental treatments or spa/wellness tourism, that were a lot cheaper than in Sweden.
I guess I am confused. Do people go to Germany, sweden, or Poland when they have serious medical conditions?
Yes. Yes they do.
Germany health care and medical tourism services
Poland as a destination for Swedish medical tourists
Swedes are one of the most mobile nationality in Europe. For several years ago people started to combine leisure travelling with medical background, e.g. surgeries, beauty and dental treatments or spa/wellness tourism, that were a lot cheaper than in Sweden.
Overall, I don't totally dislike the idea of public healthcare or some fundamental overhaul. It's a unique sector, definitely.
However, the problem I have with Obamacare is that it's total shit! It's preposterous! We have an insurance based model that isn't working, so to fix it youre going to propose to still keep that same insurance based system, but only now FORCE people to participate? How savings will come from that defies all logic. On top of it, insurance companies will now have to accept pre-existing conditions, which obviously will drive the price even higher.
If someone could explain the logic Id definitely be open to listen
In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
You got your facts wrong.
Like they say, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
The gop shut down the govt. The gop lost, and that's why Boehner is trying to pass a clean debt resolution.
Cruz led you guys down the primrose path by trying to PREVENT obamacare from beginning, when in reality the gop needs to get out of the way of the trainwreck.
But, the gop's problem is that Americans will want SOMETHING. It may not be Obamacare, but there's not going back all the way.
The GOP wanted to waiver the employer mandate for a full year and Obama said no. In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
That was then....
This week, he unilaterally extended the employer mandate without legal authority.
So tell Me, why did he shut down government?
The GOP wanted to waiver the employer mandate for a full year and Obama said no. In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
That was then....
This week, he unilaterally extended the employer mandate without legal authority.
So tell Me, why did he shut down government?
It's called sarcasm. But you knew that. no offense intended.Oh..The GOP wanted to waiver the employer mandate for a full year and Obama said no. In fact, he shut down the government because he would not extend the employer mandate.
That was then....
This week, he unilaterally extended the employer mandate without legal authority.
So tell Me, why did he shut down government?
Bush's Fault
Get back to Me when you stop spewing the DNC/Marxist talking points.Threads with titles like "Let's get this straight" from a Conservative always prove that Conservatives are entirely wrong.
And the worst/funniest/saddest part of it is that Conservatives will never admit how wrong they are. That's why they're Conservatives. They don't know how to change. They simply refuse to learn.
The Teabaggers shut down the government. Everyone knows that. A few Conservative simpletons on an internet forum aren't going to change that fact.
