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When a man can grow a womb and put their health at risk they have a say. Since that is not yet scientifically possible, they have an opinion only.Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
Yeah, when half of your genetic code is at stake, you have a say. Without a man and his sperm, your choice, your agenda, is nonexistent.
You appear to be saying that the man should have control over whether the results of a sexual interaction should lead to a child being born.
When a man can grow a womb and put their health at risk they have a say. Since that is not yet scientifically possible, they have an opinion only.Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
Yeah, when half of your genetic code is at stake, you have a say. Without a man and his sperm, your choice, your agenda, is nonexistent.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2011/11/01/health/multiple-pregnancies-mother/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/
I think you may be committing suicide by post but that's your business
If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Cool. Stay a virgin and you won’t have this problem.Is the husband’s life and health at risk by the woman carrying a fetus? Does he have the right to force her to risk those things because he chose not to keep it in his pants?
Your lack of basic understanding of how the human procreative process works is astounding.
Read the very first sentence in my OP again.
If there is no male to fertilize the egg, the egg won't divide. Therefore there will be no fetus, and no risk to life on behalf of the woman.
Women aren't like cars, you can't hotwire them. You need a key to turn the engine. A man.
Simply put.
Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race die. Quickly.
a) what a ridiculously asinine thread. Yet another misogynistic thread.
When a man can grow a womb and put their health at risk they have a say. Since that is not yet scientifically possible, they have an opinion only.Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
Yeah, when half of your genetic code is at stake, you have a say. Without a man and his sperm, your choice, your agenda, is nonexistent.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2011/11/01/health/multiple-pregnancies-mother/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/
Unfortunately for you, you don't get to dictate whether or not a man has a say in the reproductive process.
Until a woman can evolve the ability to reproduce asexually, without the need of male intervention, then men have just as much say. Whether you like it or not.
When a man can grow a womb and put their health at risk they have a say. Since that is not yet scientifically possible, they have an opinion only.Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
Yeah, when half of your genetic code is at stake, you have a say. Without a man and his sperm, your choice, your agenda, is nonexistent.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2011/11/01/health/multiple-pregnancies-mother/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/
Unfortunately for you, you don't get to dictate whether or not a man has a say in the reproductive process.
Until a woman can evolve the ability to reproduce asexually, without the need of male intervention, then men have just as much say. Whether you like it or not.
You're right, the law does. The law says it's a decision for a woman to make.
That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Cool. Stay a virgin and you won’t have this problem.Is the husband’s life and health at risk by the woman carrying a fetus? Does he have the right to force her to risk those things because he chose not to keep it in his pants?
Your lack of basic understanding of how the human procreative process works is astounding.
Read the very first sentence in my OP again.
If there is no male to fertilize the egg, the egg won't divide. Therefore there will be no fetus, and no risk to life on behalf of the woman.
Women aren't like cars, you can't hotwire them. You need a key to turn the engine. A man.
Simply put.
Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race would die. Quickly.
]In the absolute biological sense taking away all of the accoutrements of modern civilization going down through the millennia since ancient times, the man was the deciding factor. He found a mate having desirable qualities and selected her for insemination. The woman was absolutely dependent on the man. He provided the cave, he hunted the animals for food, he fought off others who would harm or take her. She became pregnant and had his child. The woman was carrier and incubator. Abortion was not an option.
We live in a totally artificial construct of modern society now where women choose the man, perhaps no man at all and just get a test tube, or get an abortion. Now such masculine advances without the female's "permission" is called "rape." And we give the woman a choice whether to carry the child or to abort it like yesterday's lunch. And of course, the man's wishes or desires are not factored into the abortion at all, because that would in effect be admitting that the child is really his and the girl a mere carrier rather than consider it part of "her body."
Oh what a tangled web we weave in turning 5 million years of evolution and tradition on its head and calling it "civilization."
I assumed that was a rhetorical question. What if a secret lizard civiliation rises from the ground and kills us all?That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Cool. Stay a virgin and you won’t have this problem.Is the husband’s life and health at risk by the woman carrying a fetus? Does he have the right to force her to risk those things because he chose not to keep it in his pants?
Your lack of basic understanding of how the human procreative process works is astounding.
Read the very first sentence in my OP again.
If there is no male to fertilize the egg, the egg won't divide. Therefore there will be no fetus, and no risk to life on behalf of the woman.
Women aren't like cars, you can't hotwire them. You need a key to turn the engine. A man.
Simply put.
Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race would die. Quickly.
I assumed that was a rhetorical question. What if a secret lizard civiliation rises from the ground and kills us all?That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Cool. Stay a virgin and you won’t have this problem.Your lack of basic understanding of how the human procreative process works is astounding.
Read the very first sentence in my OP again.
If there is no male to fertilize the egg, the egg won't divide. Therefore there will be no fetus, and no risk to life on behalf of the woman.
Women aren't like cars, you can't hotwire them. You need a key to turn the engine. A man.
Simply put.
Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race would die. Quickly.
My question’s more fun but we can do yours if you want.
Without the male spermatezoa, all of the females of our species wouldn't have a choice to make. No sperm, no fertilized egg, no pregnancy, no choice to make. No us.
No offense, but speaking on behalf of all the men in the world, we seem to be the catalyst for that choice, IE, we are just as critical to human procreation as the woman is.
Therefore, I contend, men have an equal say in the reproductive process and the decision whether or not the fully healthy woman he inseminated should have an abortion.
Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
The entire "pro choice" argument is misandrous (sexist toward men). That's the bottom line. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, comment or put me on your ignore list. I'm a free thinker, not a conformist.
If you follow me solely because you assume I agree with you politically, you are no more of a kindred spirit to me than the vacuum of space is to the prospects of life.
That's it, that's all.
In the absolute biological sense taking away all of the accoutrements of modern civilization going down through the millennia since ancient times, the man was the deciding factor. He found a mate having desirable qualities and selected her for insemination. The woman was absolutely dependent on the man. He provided the cave, he hunted the animals for food, he fought off others who would harm or take her. She became pregnant and had his child. The woman was carrier and incubator. Abortion was not an option.
We live in a totally artificial construct of modern society now where women choose the man, perhaps no man at all and just get a test tube, or get an abortion. Now such masculine advances without the female's "permission" is called "rape." And we give the woman a choice whether to carry the child or to abort it like yesterday's lunch. And of course, the man's wishes or desires are not factored into the abortion at all, because that would in effect be admitting that the child is really his and the girl a mere carrier rather than consider it part of "her body."
Oh what a tangled web we weave in turning 5 million years of evolution and tradition on its head and calling it "civilization."
If men all stopped having sex without a system of sperm donation in place to replace it, some women might be able to steal sperm from men for a while, but the population of humans would drop dramatically. Now let’s see where you’re going with this.I assumed that was a rhetorical question. What if a secret lizard civiliation rises from the ground and kills us all?That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Cool. Stay a virgin and you won’t have this problem.
Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race would die. Quickly.
My question’s more fun but we can do yours if you want.
I DON'T ASK RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.
Since you can't seem to come up with a cogent reply to my question, this exchange is meaningless.
If men all stopped having sex without a system of sperm donation in place to replace it, some women might be able to steal sperm from men for a while, but the population of humans would drop dramatically. Now let’s see where you’re going with this.I assumed that was a rhetorical question. What if a secret lizard civiliation rises from the ground and kills us all?That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.Thing is, I am. And, unlike you, I adhere to my morals. If a woman doesn't want to screw me and I don't want to screw her, it's better we don't meet and make a mistake we will BOTH regret.
Curious, what if all the men in the world chose to be virgins?
The human race would die. Quickly.
My question’s more fun but we can do yours if you want.
I DON'T ASK RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.
Since you can't seem to come up with a cogent reply to my question, this exchange is meaningless.
Science has also nullified many natural childhood diseases and conditions that contributed to high infant mortality rates. We don't need to have so many children anymore.
I have said it before. It takes two to create a baby...a mother and a father, What SHOULD TAKE PLACE:Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
Responsible men won't put themselves in that position to begin with.
Uh, what is that supposed to mean?
Why is it solely up to the man to be 'responsible'? Do male and females have the same capacity for better judgement?
I’d keep having sex. I’d be more in demand than I ever dreamed. So feel free to convince as many dudes as you can to choose celibacy.If men all stopped having sex without a system of sperm donation in place to replace it, some women might be able to steal sperm from men for a while, but the population of humans would drop dramatically. Now let’s see where you’re going with this.I assumed that was a rhetorical question. What if a secret lizard civiliation rises from the ground and kills us all?That's not what I asked. All men, regardless of ideology or alignment.If men who are willing to force women to carry their fetus to term against their will all chose to be virgins, in a few generations we’d have wiped out many of the most violent and oppressive ideologies on Earth.
My question’s more fun but we can do yours if you want.
I DON'T ASK RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.
Since you can't seem to come up with a cogent reply to my question, this exchange is meaningless.
So now, instead of it being a choice, it would be a necessity? Now life is important?
Intriguing.
Funny how your views change based on what scenario the woman is faced with.
A husband who would insist a woman carry through with a high risk pregnancy against her wishes is not much of a husband. I know a lot of women who risk their lives to have a baby, and that is their choice, I guess, although it's pretty hard on those who love her and care about her.Is the husband’s life and health at risk by the woman carrying a fetus? Does he have the right to force her to risk those things because he chose not to keep it in his pants?I agree men should have an equal say. If a woman says she does not want the baby, and the man does, he is absolutely within his rights to take that baby home from the hospital and raise it himself, with the woman signing away her rights and never seeing the baby again.Without the male spermatezoa, all of the females of our species wouldn't have a choice to make. No sperm, no fertilized egg, no pregnancy, no choice to make. No us.
No offense, but speaking on behalf of all the men in the world, we seem to be the catalyst for that choice, IE, we are just as critical to human procreation as the woman is.
Therefore, I contend, men have an equal say in the reproductive process and the decision whether or not the fully healthy woman he inseminated should have an abortion.
Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
The entire "pro choice" argument is misandrous (sexist toward men). That's the bottom line. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, comment or put me on your ignore list. I'm a free thinker, not a conformist.
If you follow me solely because you assume I agree with you politically, you are no more of a kindred spirit to me than the vacuum of space is to the prospects of life.
That's it, that's all.
That is part of the reason--a good part of the reason, I believe--that women find pro-lifers to be taking away their freedom and their right to direct their own lives. Being a mother in this society means that YOU will be the primary caregiver and it will completely change your life, narrow your choices and probably, if you do not have a partner, put you in poverty.
