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Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
. . . Unless they agree with you, in which case they should not only speak at length, but also lecture actual women on what's best in the most patronizing, misogynist tone of voice possible.
If they agree with me on a woman's right to make their own healthcare choices regarding their own bodies, it still doesn't matter. They can have an opinion but have no say.
Yeah, and I'll believe that the day I see you telling a leftist pro-abort male to "sit down and STFU" the way you routinely do pro-life men. Or, for that matter, defend MY alleged superior right to have a say on abortion since I'm a woman, despite the fact that I'm a pro-life woman.
Your keyboard says, "Sure, I'm all about women's rights", but your actions say, "I'm all about people who agree with me."
Why should I tell someone to STFU if they aren't telling me what to do with my body? Find another obsession to pick a stupid fight with.
Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
Until it is a man's life and health at risk in a pregnancy...they can sit down and STFU. They can have an opinion, but have no say.
. . . Unless they agree with you, in which case they should not only speak at length, but also lecture actual women on what's best in the most patronizing, misogynist tone of voice possible.
If they agree with me on a woman's right to make their own healthcare choices regarding their own bodies, it still doesn't matter. They can have an opinion but have no say.
Yeah, and I'll believe that the day I see you telling a leftist pro-abort male to "sit down and STFU" the way you routinely do pro-life men. Or, for that matter, defend MY alleged superior right to have a say on abortion since I'm a woman, despite the fact that I'm a pro-life woman.
Your keyboard says, "Sure, I'm all about women's rights", but your actions say, "I'm all about people who agree with me."
Why should I tell someone to STFU if they aren't telling me what to do with my body? Find another obsession to pick a stupid fight with.
Like I said, you don't really believe what you say about "Men have no say in it". That's a lie to cover up what you really believe: People who disagree with you should have no say in it.
Find another lie to flatter yourself with.
. . . Unless they agree with you, in which case they should not only speak at length, but also lecture actual women on what's best in the most patronizing, misogynist tone of voice possible.
If they agree with me on a woman's right to make their own healthcare choices regarding their own bodies, it still doesn't matter. They can have an opinion but have no say.
Yeah, and I'll believe that the day I see you telling a leftist pro-abort male to "sit down and STFU" the way you routinely do pro-life men. Or, for that matter, defend MY alleged superior right to have a say on abortion since I'm a woman, despite the fact that I'm a pro-life woman.
Your keyboard says, "Sure, I'm all about women's rights", but your actions say, "I'm all about people who agree with me."
Why should I tell someone to STFU if they aren't telling me what to do with my body? Find another obsession to pick a stupid fight with.
Like I said, you don't really believe what you say about "Men have no say in it". That's a lie to cover up what you really believe: People who disagree with you should have no say in it.
Find another lie to flatter yourself with.
A guy agreeing that it is a woman’s choice has no need to STFU. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
Prior to modern medicine...women frequently died in childbirth..so much so that a man would commonly go through several wives--always of child-bearing years..thus always young--teen-aged usually..as the man aged.Why do some people consider pregnancy to be a woman's 'HealthCare' issue?
Pregnancy is a perfectly healthy state of a woman's health. It's not a 'healthcare' issue!
Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
No, pregnancy is a physical condition which is unique in human experience, and not really comparable to anything else. Ill health would be where something in your body has gone wrong, whether it be a system malfunctioning or an invasion by foreign bodies. Pregnancy isn't a malfunction; it's something that the female body is designed to do. However, unlike anything else the body is designed to do, it carries an increased risk factor to it. As such, it is in and of itself a healthcare issue. It needs specialized healthcare in and of itself.
Prior to modern medicine...women frequently died in childbirth..so much so that a man would commonly go through several wives--always of child-bearing years..thus always young--teen-aged usually..as the man aged.Well, it IS a healthcare issue, because it does require an increased amount of specialized care. While pregnancy and childbirth are certainly natural functions for which the female body is designed, it is a radical alteration in her body over a relatively short period of time; as such, it carries with it a heightened risk of becoming NOT perfectly healthy. This is particularly true if the woman wasn't in perfect physical condition to start with.
So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
No, pregnancy is a physical condition which is unique in human experience, and not really comparable to anything else. Ill health would be where something in your body has gone wrong, whether it be a system malfunctioning or an invasion by foreign bodies. Pregnancy isn't a malfunction; it's something that the female body is designed to do. However, unlike anything else the body is designed to do, it carries an increased risk factor to it. As such, it is in and of itself a healthcare issue. It needs specialized healthcare in and of itself.
The advent of modern medicine changed that..in fact, it helped invert the statistics..as women now live longer than men.
So yeah--it is a healthcare issue!
I'm not sure that anyone's saying that the man shouldn't have a say.Without the male spermatezoa, all of the females of our species wouldn't have a choice to make. No sperm, no fertilized egg, no pregnancy, no choice to make. No us.
No offense, but speaking on behalf of all the men in the world, we seem to be the catalyst for that choice, IE, we are just as critical to human procreation as the woman is.
Therefore, I contend, men have an equal say in the reproductive process and the decision whether or not the fully healthy woman he inseminated should have an abortion.
Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
The entire "pro choice" argument is misandrous (sexist toward men). That's the bottom line. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, comment or put me on your ignore list. I'm a free thinker, not a conformist.
If you follow me solely because you assume I agree with you politically, you are no more of a kindred spirit to me than the vacuum of space is to the prospects of life.
That's it, that's all.
You mean..instead of running your household..putting dinner on the table..washing the clothes by hand..servicing your husband at his beck and call and eating whatever? Only to have some 'midwife' with dirt encrusted hands put those hands inside of you? Hard to believe, huh? That the 'natural' way somehow wasn't the best?Prior to modern medicine...women frequently died in childbirth..so much so that a man would commonly go through several wives--always of child-bearing years..thus always young--teen-aged usually..as the man aged.So what you seem to be saying is that it is NOT a healthcare issue, but that it's a state that has a greater chance of becoming a health issue. Is that correct?
No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
No, pregnancy is a physical condition which is unique in human experience, and not really comparable to anything else. Ill health would be where something in your body has gone wrong, whether it be a system malfunctioning or an invasion by foreign bodies. Pregnancy isn't a malfunction; it's something that the female body is designed to do. However, unlike anything else the body is designed to do, it carries an increased risk factor to it. As such, it is in and of itself a healthcare issue. It needs specialized healthcare in and of itself.
The advent of modern medicine changed that..in fact, it helped invert the statistics..as women now live longer than men.
So yeah--it is a healthcare issue!
You are correct. It can go very wrong quickly and easily . . . and even if it all goes perfectly, there is still an increased need for healthcare.
I had three textbook pregnancies and deliveries, and I still required regular check-ups and monitoring and pre-natal vitamin prescriptions.
Nope..just saying that the man's 'say' is earlier in the process.I'm not sure that anyone's saying that the man shouldn't have a say.Without the male spermatezoa, all of the females of our species wouldn't have a choice to make. No sperm, no fertilized egg, no pregnancy, no choice to make. No us.
No offense, but speaking on behalf of all the men in the world, we seem to be the catalyst for that choice, IE, we are just as critical to human procreation as the woman is.
Therefore, I contend, men have an equal say in the reproductive process and the decision whether or not the fully healthy woman he inseminated should have an abortion.
Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
The entire "pro choice" argument is misandrous (sexist toward men). That's the bottom line. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, comment or put me on your ignore list. I'm a free thinker, not a conformist.
If you follow me solely because you assume I agree with you politically, you are no more of a kindred spirit to me than the vacuum of space is to the prospects of life.
That's it, that's all.
You mean..instead of running your household..putting dinner on the table..washing the clothes by hand..servicing your husband at his beck and call and eating whatever? Only to have some 'midwife' with dirt encrusted hands put those hands inside of you? Hard to believe, huh? That the 'natural' way somehow wasn't the best?Prior to modern medicine...women frequently died in childbirth..so much so that a man would commonly go through several wives--always of child-bearing years..thus always young--teen-aged usually..as the man aged.No, it's a healthcare issue in and of itself, because it puts a lot of strain on the woman's body even when everything goes perfectly. It has the potential of becoming a SERIOUS healthcare issue very quickly.
So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
No, pregnancy is a physical condition which is unique in human experience, and not really comparable to anything else. Ill health would be where something in your body has gone wrong, whether it be a system malfunctioning or an invasion by foreign bodies. Pregnancy isn't a malfunction; it's something that the female body is designed to do. However, unlike anything else the body is designed to do, it carries an increased risk factor to it. As such, it is in and of itself a healthcare issue. It needs specialized healthcare in and of itself.
The advent of modern medicine changed that..in fact, it helped invert the statistics..as women now live longer than men.
So yeah--it is a healthcare issue!
You are correct. It can go very wrong quickly and easily . . . and even if it all goes perfectly, there is still an increased need for healthcare.
I had three textbook pregnancies and deliveries, and I still required regular check-ups and monitoring and pre-natal vitamin prescriptions.
Only to die and have a husband look to the sky..say it was God's will...and go shopping for the next 13 year old?
Nope..just saying that the man's 'say' is earlier in the process.I'm not sure that anyone's saying that the man shouldn't have a say.Without the male spermatezoa, all of the females of our species wouldn't have a choice to make. No sperm, no fertilized egg, no pregnancy, no choice to make. No us.
No offense, but speaking on behalf of all the men in the world, we seem to be the catalyst for that choice, IE, we are just as critical to human procreation as the woman is.
Therefore, I contend, men have an equal say in the reproductive process and the decision whether or not the fully healthy woman he inseminated should have an abortion.
Think about it. The man wants the child, but for some reason the woman doesn't. Why is the choice to arbitrarily exterminate the growing life in the womb exclusively hers?
The entire "pro choice" argument is misandrous (sexist toward men). That's the bottom line. That's my opinion. If you don't like it, comment or put me on your ignore list. I'm a free thinker, not a conformist.
If you follow me solely because you assume I agree with you politically, you are no more of a kindred spirit to me than the vacuum of space is to the prospects of life.
That's it, that's all.
Yes, I got your point..I would point out that it is not just laws that have leveled the playing field..but technology, as well..in fact..one of the things that contributes to the true equality of the sexes is the 2nd amendment..A woman with a gun..and the training and willingness to use it...can cancel out a man's superior strength in a hurry..along with cancelling his ticket..if needed.But for sure, contraception and legal abortion have made women the true mistresses of their bodies--like it or not.For the most part..you are correct..However...that was then..and this is now--
I know I'm right. And that has been my point all along: THAT WAS THEN-- -- -- -- about 99.998% of mankind's time on this planet. And THIS IS NOW, over the past 150 years roughly, we have slowly transitioned into a socially modern form where laws have elevated women to an equal status with men over biology, more or less, leveling the playing field as it were.
LOL..let's just say women had a hard life..prior to the advent of modern medicine..and leave it at that. In the 'bad old days' the concept of medical attention for a pregnant woman..unless she was of high status or her husband was wealthy and allowed it..were slim to none.You mean..instead of running your household..putting dinner on the table..washing the clothes by hand..servicing your husband at his beck and call and eating whatever? Only to have some 'midwife' with dirt encrusted hands put those hands inside of you? Hard to believe, huh? That the 'natural' way somehow wasn't the best?Prior to modern medicine...women frequently died in childbirth..so much so that a man would commonly go through several wives--always of child-bearing years..thus always young--teen-aged usually..as the man aged.So you'd say that pregnancy is a form of ill health? A sort of disease or sickness?
A lot of things put a strain on our bodies that are not considered ill health.
No, pregnancy is a physical condition which is unique in human experience, and not really comparable to anything else. Ill health would be where something in your body has gone wrong, whether it be a system malfunctioning or an invasion by foreign bodies. Pregnancy isn't a malfunction; it's something that the female body is designed to do. However, unlike anything else the body is designed to do, it carries an increased risk factor to it. As such, it is in and of itself a healthcare issue. It needs specialized healthcare in and of itself.
The advent of modern medicine changed that..in fact, it helped invert the statistics..as women now live longer than men.
So yeah--it is a healthcare issue!
You are correct. It can go very wrong quickly and easily . . . and even if it all goes perfectly, there is still an increased need for healthcare.
I had three textbook pregnancies and deliveries, and I still required regular check-ups and monitoring and pre-natal vitamin prescriptions.
Only to die and have a husband look to the sky..say it was God's will...and go shopping for the next 13 year old?
Oh, I still ran my household and put dinner on the table. Didn't wash the clothes by hand, but for the first two, hauling the laundry to the laundromat was a bitch-and-a-half. Never considered having sexual relations with my husband to be a chore and burden, but if that's your perception, that's between you and your therapist.
I'm thinking you have some serious issues with human history and with relations between the sexes. Might want to look to that.
Even in the bad old days, pregnant women still required more medical attention than they would have received had they not been pregnant . . . whatever level of medical attention that happened to be.
Huh!! Do you really think that women had the power to just say 'no'?? Hell...the concept of marital rape was not even recognized 100 years ago. 200 years ago...a high status man could rape with impunity..and that was that. Just say No was a horselaugh--the only bar to rape was a Father or Brothers revenge for the mistreatment of their property..and that was what women were..in many cultures..chattel..with no more rights than a horse.Yes, I got your point..I would point out that it is not just laws that have leveled the playing field..but technology, as well..in fact..one of the things that contributes to the true equality of the sexes is the 2nd amendment..A woman with a gun..and the training and willingness to use it...can cancel out a man's superior strength in a hurry..along with cancelling his ticket..if needed.But for sure, contraception and legal abortion have made women the true mistresses of their bodies--like it or not.For the most part..you are correct..However...that was then..and this is now--
I know I'm right. And that has been my point all along: THAT WAS THEN-- -- -- -- about 99.998% of mankind's time on this planet. And THIS IS NOW, over the past 150 years roughly, we have slowly transitioned into a socially modern form where laws have elevated women to an equal status with men over biology, more or less, leveling the playing field as it were.
Mind you, my agreement with your post is only about the 2nd Amendment part. As for contraception and abortion "making women true mistresses of their bodies", they already were long before in their power to just say "NO".
I agree. Because by the time abortion is being considered, it is way too late for the man to have a say. He doesn't have control of the body that contains the pregnancy and therefore he has no say in that pregnancy unless the woman chooses to let him have a say.Nope..just saying that the man's 'say' is earlier in the process.I'm not sure that anyone's saying that the man shouldn't have a say.
