Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[Indeependent]

I would much rather just slap the shit out of you.

This is about the quality of response I expect from right wingers.

You will ridicule any response that does not align with your conclusion.

 

[Anomalism]

You will ridicule any response that does not align with your conclusion.

You have yet to address the OP without deflection.

 

[Concerned American]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Your entire argument is predicated on conservatives not recognizing that Scandanavian countries are socialist. So we'll lay that to rest first. Scandanavia and Canada are socialist. That being said, conservatives believe in working hard, earning a living and enjoying the fruits of their labor. They donate to the charitable causes they believe in--that is a social safety net. They do not like to be FORCED to pay for lazy people who feel the world owes them a living. Also, if these socialist countries are so good, why do Canadian nurses come to the US in droves? Also, 27 years ago when I had by-pass surgery I was fortunate to have two of those extremely qualified nurses attending. I asked them if it was true that my surgery would be free in Canada to which they replied in the affirmative. They quickly added that instead of the five days that it took to get my surgery done, it would have been three months or longer in Canada. Socialism sucks. Get off of your lazy backside and earn a living.

 

[danielpalos]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

You cannot ignore, even as you try to, the social structure of a nation when discussing a social program.
A society based on common levels of success and ancestry cannot be compared to the US.

It is about economic efficiency regardless of the mix of capitalism to socialism. We know Government must accomplish some tasks. Doing it more efficiently is what we should be doing.

 

[Juicey Omelette]

If you're not an idiot

If you weren't an idiot you would have been able to learn something from that video.

But instead you chose to ask the question that has already been answered. Those countries aren't socialist.

Also comparing the Scandinavian countries social policies (that have a largely homogeneous racial demographic, and a tiny fraction of our population) to the USA...with our huge population of welfare dependents, and mass illegal immigration..is totally asinine...and only shows the disingenuous nature of any position you are trying to present.

 

[danielpalos]

They donate to the charitable causes they believe in--that is a social safety net.

Private charity only covers multitudes of sins not simple poverty or we would not need Any social programs.

 

[norwegen]

I would much rather just slap the shit out of you.

This is about the quality of response I expect from right wingers.

You expected this kind of response from us? Oh, goody.

I think you're too dumb to have this conversation.

 

[Anomalism]

Scandanavia and Canada are socialist.

Props on being consistent. I respect you for that. I think Canada and the Scandinavian nations would disagree with your assessment though.

 

[Blues Man]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

A mandate that every person must purchase health insurance is not universal health care.

And a health care program would only be socialism if the government owned all the hospitals and employed all the staff of those hospitals.

 

[danielpalos]

But instead you chose to ask the question that has already been answered. Those countries aren't socialist.

Yes, they are. No one believes those countries are for right wing, free market Capitalism.

 

[Anomalism]

Those countries aren't socialist.

Good. Then universal healthcare won't make us socialists either.

 

[g5000]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

 

[BS Filter]

Yes, government healthcare is socialism.

But the Scandinavian countries are capitalist despite having the most expansive social safety nets in the world.

What is the corporate and income tax rates?

 

[danielpalos]

Solving simple poverty by solving for economic phenomena is socialism not free market Capitalism. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. There is no such Thing as "free market Capitalism" except in a few instances in the private sector.

 

[Anomalism]

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

That's fine. Thank you for being consistent. Those nations disagree with your assessment. Your thoughts?

 

[danielpalos]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

We have a mixed-market economy that is part capitalism and part socialism. We should be optimizing our economy for a better fiscal multiplier whenever practicable.

 

[Anomalism]

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

Also I want to add that when your argument is consistent I don't have a problem with it. Obviously not all right wingers have inconsistent arguments. Again, props.

 

[Indeependent]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

You cannot ignore, even as you try to, the social structure of a nation when discussing a social program.
A society based on common levels of success and ancestry cannot be compared to the US.

It is about economic efficiency regardless of the mix of capitalism to socialism. We know Government must accomplish some tasks. Doing it more efficiently is what we should be doing.

Whoever manages our economy will do it inefficiently, including you.
The next thing you will tell us is that you are an engineer.

 

[Concerned American]

Scandanavia and Canada are socialist.

Props on being consistent. I respect you for that. I think Canada and the Scandinavian nations would disagree with your assessment though.

Well, my 100% Swedish wife of 44 years and those Canadian nurses that are rushing to our US hospitals tend to prove your assumption wrong.

 

[Anomalism]

Well, my 100% Swedish wife of 44 years and those Canadian nurses that are rushing to our US hospitals tend to prove your assumption wrong.

That's not my assessment; it's the assessment of those nations. They don't think they're socialist nations. They think they're capitalist nations with social safety nets.