Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[HappyJoy]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

 

[PredFan]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

your ignorance doesn’t really deserve a response but I’m bored so here goes:

you can have a capitalist economy and still have elements of socialism. One does not exclude the other.

 

[Anomalism]

To answer the OP. I believe Scandinavia is a capitalist country with a strong social safety net. We could call that portion socialist, I really don't care I don't think you can have one without the other. If one of them is missing the other is extreme.

Personally I think too much attention to the labels destroys good discourse. You have to play the label game to argue with conservatives though.

 

[g5000]

Those nations do not disagree with me. The Prime Minster of Denmark is a Social Democrat supported by a coalition of Social Liberals, the Socialist People's Party, the Red-Green Alliance, and the Social Democratic party.

The Prime Minister of Sweden is a member of the Social Democratic party.

Maybe you can sort it out with the Republicans that argue that they're not actually socialists. There's a lot of confusion and bullshit with labels I think. "Socialism" can mean a lot of different things depending on who is using it and in what context. I think a lot of conservatives pervert the context to make dishonest arguments.

You are allowing yourself to be distracted by red herrings. You are letting the opponents direct the conversation.

All this talk about socialism and Scandavia is just a bunch of smoke to hide the fact the opponents of UHC have empty pockets. They have nothing. They have no solutions. So they have to go on the attack because their intellectual cupboard is bare.

If you want to have some fun, ask them to provide a link to the Republican replacement to Obamacare.

Ten years now, and NOTHING.

 

[Anomalism]

you can have a capitalist economy and still have elements of socialism. One does not exclude the other.

Thank you. That's all I was looking for. Do you think the U.S would still be a capitalist nation if we had universal healthcare?

 

[harmonica]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

if I need to tell you, you do not need to be on an adult forum
population---DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...population exponentially affects a lot of other issues
....yes, race does matter---it is a HUGE fking DUMNBASS '''''problem''' in the US

 

[Thinker101]

 

[Anomalism]

You are allowing yourself to be distracted by red herrings. You are letting the opponents direct the conversation.

They're too ignorant for a better conversation. What should I do?

 

[harmonica]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

plain and simple ----you CAN'T compare them--you DENY this???

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

 

[g5000]

Trump's bailouts of the farmers is socialism.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

If you don't like it, SHOW US SOMETHING BETTER.

 

[HappyJoy]

To answer the OP. I believe Scandinavia is a capitalist country with a strong social safety net. We could call that portion socialist, I really don't care I don't think you can have one without the other. If one of them is missing the other is extreme.

Personally I think too much attention to the labels destroys good discourse. You have to play the label game to argue with conservatives though.

I agree.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I would much rather just slap the shit out of you.

This is about the quality of response I expect from right wingers.

That's a higher quality of response than you deserve for your asinine, "This is what I've decided you think NOW DEFEND IT!" OP.

 

[g5000]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

Hey dumbshit. I have not praised those countries. I am simply pointing out the fact you have NOTHING.

I hate socialized medicine. I can point you to dozens of posts where I laid out an alternative, capitalistic, solution to our rising health carej costs, which is more than you have ever done. All you dolts can do is run your mouths and not offer up jack shit.

 

[HappyJoy]

Trump's bailouts of the farmers is socialism.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

If you don't like it, SHOW US SOMETHING BETTER.

Poor houses? I mean privately run for profit poor houses for old people. Sounds like a stable plan.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don’t know about you jackass, but Medicare and social security have been paid by me and maybe ewe our entire working lives. All the while you are also shelling out to private insurance until you reach sixty five at which time you are dumped into Medicare. If you try to opt out of Medicare they will take your social security to.. so no it’s not socialism. Most of us paid for our educations too. We don’t stand around looking for ways to get others to pay for what you want! Is this clear?

I think you're too dumb to have this conversation.

I think you're showing us more of your yellow streak. "Oh no, someone is deviating from the script I assigned her!! I must insult her and run away before I have to actually think!!"

 

[g5000]

You see? All they can do is go on the attack. They have to hide the fact they have nothing.

And that is precisely why UHC is inevitable.

 

[Concerned American]

Socialized medicine is socialism. No ifs, ands, or buts.

And it is inevitable that the US will have UHC in our lifetimes because the opposition has never once offered an alternative to reverse the costs of health care which have been skyrocketing for many decades.

The Right bitches and they moan and they make up socialist horror stories about UHC, all in a vain attempt to conceal their impotence at coming up with something better.

How about this hillbilly, go out and get a job and pay for your own health care. I didn't screw your momma and I don't owe you anything, parasite.

 

[harmonica]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

the US obesity rate is THREE times Sweden's!!!!!!!!!!!
and American black obesity rate is HIGH!
.....obesity is a major world health problem and causes other health problems
DUH
BOOOOOM baby
fact/etc

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Health

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

We can see how well the Left Wing Crackpots run their utopias.....MN, CA, IL, OR, WA NY....
We don't want they them to also destroy our healthcare.