Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[Anomalism]

Are free COVID-19 vaccines for all, paid for by government, a form of socialism? If so, will conservatives argue that the vaccine program won't work in the U.S. because of all our immigrants and racial issues?

Don't give them more ideas please.

 

[Indeependent]

You just stated a fallacy...Liberals don't debate, they lecture.

That's all there is to do when arguing with uneducated people.

The only way to present a valid education is to take attained facts and use them as building blocks to present cause and effect.
I have never encountered a Liberal who could do such.

 

[Anomalism]

Excuse me? Your original post labeled "conservatives." You people really don't read what you write do you?

Damn.

You really got me bub. Well done.

 

[Dragonlady]

Scandinavian countries restrict who can live in Scandinavian countries.

So do you want to have an immigration debate or will you actually address what's being discussed in the OP?

As if your OP is an invitation to an actual debate, rather than an attempt by you to demand that we defend what YOU have decided we all think.

I have yet to see you prove that you can speak for yourself, let alone prove that you're qualified to speak for me. You want to discuss my conservative positions regarding socialism or healthcare or anything else? Then you ASK me what I think, you don't TELL me what I think.

You can't even speak for yourself. You thinking others are trying to speak for you shows a lack of self confidence in expressing your beliefs, within your peer group.

Don't tell YOU what to think, even as you call others you don't think like you liars, idiots or other names.

What a hypocrite you are.

 

[task0778]

When a thread includes the words "right wing delusion and dishonesty" in the title, then you have pretty much thrown out any chance of a reasoned discussion. Instead, you have insulted those of us with a different point of view from yours before you wrote the first word of your OP. "You hypocrites"?

Clearly, you don't want a discussion, you want a pissing contest. Obviously, you do not want to be taken seriously by anyone, and your wish is granted.

 

[Concerned American]

Trump's bailouts of the farmers is socialism.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

If you don't like it, SHOW US SOMETHING BETTER.

If you had been educated beyond third grade you would understand that if you pay for something from your labor, it is not socialism. If you buy a car and expect your neighbor to pay for it--that is socialism. Social Security/Medicare--paid for from personal labor. Obamacare--gimme program for parasitic progressives

 

[Indeependent]

Scandinavian countries restrict who can live in Scandinavian countries.

So do you want to have an immigration debate or will you actually address what's being discussed in the OP?

As if your OP is an invitation to an actual debate, rather than an attempt by you to demand that we defend what YOU have decided we all think.

I have yet to see you prove that you can speak for yourself, let alone prove that you're qualified to speak for me. You want to discuss my conservative positions regarding socialism or healthcare or anything else? Then you ASK me what I think, you don't TELL me what I think.

You can't even speak for yourself. You thinking others are trying to speak for you shows a lack of self confidence in expressing your beliefs, within your peer group.

Don't tell YOU what to think, even as you call others you don't think like you liars, idiots or other names.

What a hypocrite you are.

If Cecilie1200 had an IQ of 0, you would have an IQ of -150.

 

[Anomalism]

You can't even speak for yourself. You thinking others are trying to speak for you shows a lack of self confidence in expressing your beliefs, within your peer group.

Don't tell YOU what to think, even as you call others you don't think like you liars, idiots or other names.

What a hypocrite you are.

I like you.

 

[HappyJoy]

To answer the OP. I believe Scandinavia is a capitalist country with a strong social safety net. We could call that portion socialist, I really don't care I don't think you can have one without the other. If one of them is missing the other is extreme.

Personally I think too much attention to the labels destroys good discourse. You have to play the label game to argue with conservatives though.

Excuse me? Your original post labeled "conservatives." You people really don't read what you write do you?

He's referring to socialism and capitalism, stop being offended.

 

[Anomalism]

When a thread includes the words "right wing delusion and dishonesty" in the title, then you have pretty much thrown out any chance of a reasoned discussion. Instead, you have insulted those of us with a different point of view from yours before you wrote the first word of your OP. "You hypocrites"?

Clearly, you don't want a discussion, you want a pissing contest. Obviously, you do not want to be taken seriously by anyone, and your wish is granted.

That's a cute way of backing down.

 

[HappyJoy]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

the US obesity rate is THREE times Sweden's!!!!!!!!!!!
and American black obesity rate is HIGH!
.....obesity is a major world health problem and causes other health problems
DUH
BOOOOOM baby
fact/etc

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Health

Ok, the United States has a lot of fat people so that means socialized healthcare doesn't work. That is what you call iron clad logic.

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

Hey dumbshit. I have not praised those countries. I am simply pointing out the fact you have NOTHING.

I hate socialized medicine. I can point you to dozens of posts where I laid out an alternative, capitalistic, solution to our rising health carej costs, which is more than you have ever done. All you dolts can do is run your mouths and not offer up jack shit.

I gave you a solution, moron.

 

[g5000]

Trump's bailouts of the farmers is socialism.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

If you don't like it, SHOW US SOMETHING BETTER.

If you had been educated beyond third grade you would understand that if you pay for something from your labor, it is not socialism. If you buy a car and expect your neighbor to pay for it--that is socialism. Social Security/Medicare--paid for from personal labor. Obamacare--gimme program for parasitic progressives

You will get far more from Social Security and Medicare than you put in. Hell, Ronald Reagan went on a tear about social security and medicare being socialism. It's a famous speech.

Maybe they skipped that in your third grade class.

 

[Unkotare]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Have you purchased your ticket yet?

 

[dblack]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Don't really care how you label it, I don't want government in charge of health care.

 

[Anomalism]

Have you purchased your ticket yet?

And here you are with the most tired argument in the history of politics. "Go move there then."

You can do better than this. I think you're a smart person.

 

[g5000]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

Hey dumbshit. I have not praised those countries. I am simply pointing out the fact you have NOTHING.

I hate socialized medicine. I can point you to dozens of posts where I laid out an alternative, capitalistic, solution to our rising health carej costs, which is more than you have ever done. All you dolts can do is run your mouths and not offer up jack shit.

I gave you a solution, moron.

Nope. You didn't. None of you have ever offered a plan to bring down health care costs in the US.

Ever. And neither has Trump or anyone else in Republican leadership.

That's why you are so pissed. Because you know you are intellectually impotent.

 

[Anomalism]

Don't really care how you label it, I don't want government in charge of health care.

I respect your position.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I don’t know about you jackass, but Medicare and social security have been paid by me and maybe ewe our entire working lives. All the while you are also shelling out to private insurance until you reach sixty five at which time you are dumped into Medicare. If you try to opt out of Medicare they will take your social security to.. so no it’s not socialism. Most of us paid for our educations too. We don’t stand around looking for ways to get others to pay for what you want! Is this clear?

Unless you are self-employed Social Security is not entirely "paid by me." Half is paid by the employer.

 

[g5000]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Don't really care how you label it, I don't want government in charge of health care.

Nor do I.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what is going to happen.