Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[g5000]

There are delusions on both sides of this issue.

I well remember when the lefties said Obamacare was not a government takeover of healthcare.

 

[harmonica]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

What are those reasons?

I'm going to guess you are going to say it comes down to size and ....probably racial make up knowing you guys.

the US obesity rate is THREE times Sweden's!!!!!!!!!!!
and American black obesity rate is HIGH!
.....obesity is a major world health problem and causes other health problems
DUH
BOOOOOM baby
fact/etc

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Health

Ok, the United States has a lot of fat people so that means socialized healthcare doesn't work. That is what you call iron clad logic.

POPULATION--DUH!!!!!!!!!- this is BASIC grade school math and science!!!!!!!

 

[Meathead]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

YOU are the hypocrite
....you can't compare Scandinavian countries with the US for many reasons--end of story

That is what I was saying, though much longer=winded to be sure.

 

[Anomalism]

There are delusions on both sides of this issue.

I well remember when the lefties said Obamacare was not a government takeover of healthcare.

Obamacare attempted to give healthcare to the insurance companies on a golden platter. What a fucking disaster that was.

 

[Synthaholic]

Scandinavian countries restrict who can live in Scandinavian countries.

So do you want to have an immigration debate or will you actually address what's being discussed in the OP?

You mentioned Scandinavian countries and I pointed out that minorities and the poor are not welcome there.
Your turn at bat.

Stick to the OP, dumbass.

 

[harmonica]

bullshit--you have NO proof of that---you are babbling shit

Modern conservatives are social Darwinists.

more babble shit from you

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

Hey dumbshit. I have not praised those countries. I am simply pointing out the fact you have NOTHING.

I hate socialized medicine. I can point you to dozens of posts where I laid out an alternative, capitalistic, solution to our rising health carej costs, which is more than you have ever done. All you dolts can do is run your mouths and not offer up jack shit.

I gave you a solution, moron.

Nope. You didn't. None of you have ever offered a plan to bring down health care costs in the US.

Ever. And neither has Trump or anyone else in Republican leadership.

That's why you are so pissed. Because you know you are intellectually impotent.

It is not governments job to bring the cost of anything down moron. If you want it PAY FOR IT otherwise you're either a thief or a parasite. Now run along like a good little boy and let the grown ups talk.

 

[Synthaholic]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

Just ignore him. He's here to troll.

Most of the wingnuts here can't give you a definition of Socialism without using Google. And then they still get it wrong.

 

[Unkotare]

Have you purchased your ticket yet?

And here you are with the most tired argument in the history of politics. "Go move there then."
...

You wouldn't like to move there?

 

[harmonica]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

Just ignore him. He's here to troll.

Most of the wingnuts here can't give you a definition of Socialism without using Google. And then they still get it wrong.

your definitions are crap

 

[Agit8r]

It isn't inherently socialistic. It is just a civil reflection of the state of nature:

"Every one, as he is bound to preserve himself, and not to quit his station wilfully, so by the like reason, when his own preservation comes not in competition, ought he, as much as he can, to preserve the rest of mankind"
-- John Locke; from Second Treatise

 

[Concerned American]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I don’t know about you jackass, but Medicare and social security have been paid by me and maybe ewe our entire working lives. All the while you are also shelling out to private insurance until you reach sixty five at which time you are dumped into Medicare. If you try to opt out of Medicare they will take your social security to.. so no it’s not socialism. Most of us paid for our educations too. We don’t stand around looking for ways to get others to pay for what you want! Is this clear?

Unless you are self-employed Social Security is not entirely "paid by me." Half is paid by the employer.

Thank you, that would be part of your employment package that you go to work and EARN.

 

[Anomalism]

You wouldn't like to move there?

And be thousands of miles away from my loved ones?

No. I'd rather advocate for improving the country I currently live in.

 

[Synthaholic]

Is universal healthcare socialism?

If you even have to ASK the question, you are wholly unqualified to even discuss the matter.

Universal healthcare is not Socialism, any more than military spending is Socialism.

 

[Synthaholic]

Yes, government healthcare is socialism.

Wrong answer.

 

[g5000]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.

Hmmmmm...

If you want to shut the lefties up once and for all, if you really want to smack them down for good, if you want to wipe that smug look off their faces, SHOW US A BETTER SOLUTION!

The pseudocons can't do it. And they never will. All they can do is bitch and moan like the intellectually impotent lazy fucks they are who can't do any heavy lifting.

So UHC here we come!

How about this one Prog. You can haul your ass to Canada, Sweden, France--take your pick, any of those wonderful socialist countries that you praise so highly and get out of THIS CAPITALIST REPUBLIC. How's that for a better solution.

Hey dumbshit. I have not praised those countries. I am simply pointing out the fact you have NOTHING.

I hate socialized medicine. I can point you to dozens of posts where I laid out an alternative, capitalistic, solution to our rising health carej costs, which is more than you have ever done. All you dolts can do is run your mouths and not offer up jack shit.

I gave you a solution, moron.

Nope. You didn't. None of you have ever offered a plan to bring down health care costs in the US.

Ever. And neither has Trump or anyone else in Republican leadership.

That's why you are so pissed. Because you know you are intellectually impotent.

It is not governments job to bring the cost of anything down moron. If you want it PAY FOR IT otherwise you're either a thief or a parasite. Now run along like a good little boy and let the grown ups talk.

See? You have no actual plan except to piss and moan. The GOP has never offered up any legislation to give the power of healthcare back to the people.

Sad.

I've actually written more about what to do along those lines than anyone on this board or anyone in the entire Republican party.

 

[Synthaholic]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I would much rather just slap the shit out of you. If you had any sense at all you should talk nice to conservatives with respect. Maybe one will sell you a clue you can impress a friend with.

Conservatives are shit people.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Analjism thinks he's started a real gotcha conservatives thread. Then proceeds to call anyone who disagrees stupid. In reality,he has no idea how Scandanivian countries run their healthcare system.
I enjoy laughing at Analjism's ignorance.

 

[Synthaholic]

I would much rather just slap the shit out of you.

This is about the quality of response I expect from right wingers.

You expected this kind of response from us? Oh, goody.

I think you're too dumb to have this conversation.

Only fags live in Ormond Beach.

 

[dblack]

It is not governments job to bring the cost of anything down moron.

It is if the government is part of the problem - ie if ill-conceived health care policy makes health care cost more than it should.