Liberal fascism

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

 

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Nazi capitalism, yes. All to go to war...

franco hater dupe bot, you have virtually zero knowledge of history.

Would you care to explain how this Nazi "capitalism" worked? Could any person just start a business? No worries about the state? Were all people free to buy and sell with no knowledge of the Nazi Reich needed? A trade between one man and another was perfectly legal? The market determined the production goals of companies, not the Reich? Hitler never ordered his ministers to build production plans, since he was Capitalist and trusted the market?

Do tell?

 

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I've twisted nothing, if you have an issue with his take on Nazi Germany have at it.

The fact remains that both the "socialist" Soviets and the "fascist" Nazis were both authoritarian regimes that sought to control every aspect of society. Whether you are talking about the means of production, the political indoctrination of children in school, the inability to criticise the govt, control of the police and justice systems, control of who can and cannot hold public office, the absolute control of the economy, absolute control of the press, (I could go on) there is little difference between the Soviets and the Nazis.

You're conflating "control" of production with "ownership." The latter being required to qualify as socialism.

Again, private ownership in Nazi Germany was a facade.

At best.

Hitler (Goering really) clear cut the board of directors of every German and Austrian company in 1929. They were replaced with Nazi stooges. Goering produced a "4 year plan" which set the production quotas and products to be produced by virtually all major industry. Stalin later tried to copy Goerings methods, but Goering was a MUCH better Communist than Stalin ever was.

Every aspect of the German economy was under the absolute control of the Reich. You could not buy an apple without permission of the Nazi party. Any many ways, the Nazi economy was more tightly managed than even that of Mao during the Cultural Revolution.

Oh, and fawn is lying, as he generally does. Socialism is the control of the means of production.

 

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While I would never say that my liberal friends are fascistic, the political left in this country certainly is. The idea that fascism can only come from the right is wrong. Ever hear of the Nazis? You know the National Socialist Party.

The left has really gotten hung up on the word fascist. As if the governing methods of the Soviets or Maoist were much different. In Nazi Germany when you spoke out against the govt the Gestapo took you away, in soviet East Germany if you spoke out against the govt the Stazi took you away. Big difference.

I read an article where the historian author said the difference between socialism and fascism were that socialism is global in outlook, fascism is national in outlook and often racial. The only other difference is that fascism has the facade of private ownership, you may own the steel mill but just like in socialism, the govt controls it.

And liberalism is not the opposite of fascism, a constitutional conservative is the closest thing I can think of to a polar opposite of fascism. Seperation of powers and states rights are not exactly the basis of fascism. Even my liberal friends have a bad habit of supporting the centralizing of power at the federal level. Fascists love that.

What was socialist about Nazi's?

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

"The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Hitler and the socialist dream

Hitler's discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

The fact remains that companies remained capitalist and aristocrats prospered unless they were Jewish or protested Nazi policy. Of course they had to do what the Nazis wanted, and the great majority were happy to. Not socialists at all. They were all in concentration camps DUHHHH, dupe. This is all brand new GOP/dupe revisionism.

Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

 

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I've twisted nothing, if you have an issue with his take on Nazi Germany have at it.

The fact remains that both the "socialist" Soviets and the "fascist" Nazis were both authoritarian regimes that sought to control every aspect of society. Whether you are talking about the means of production, the political indoctrination of children in school, the inability to criticise the govt, control of the police and justice systems, control of who can and cannot hold public office, the absolute control of the economy, absolute control of the press, (I could go on) there is little difference between the Soviets and the Nazis.

You're conflating "control" of production with "ownership." The latter being required to qualify as socialism.

Again, private ownership in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Bullshit

What a brilliant retort.

You fascist democrats never cease to impress me with the depth of your knowledge.....

 

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

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As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

 

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What was socialist about Nazi's?

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

"The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Hitler and the socialist dream

Hitler's discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

The fact remains that companies remained capitalist and aristocrats prospered unless they were Jewish or protested Nazi policy. Of course they had to do what the Nazis wanted, and the great majority were happy to. Not socialists at all. They were all in concentration camps DUHHHH, dupe. This is all brand new GOP/dupe revisionism.

Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

And he was still born of Austrian blood, not German blood.

 

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It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

Between your ignorance and dishonesty, your effectiveness with grown ups is limited, fawn.

 

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Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

"The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Hitler and the socialist dream

Hitler's discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

The fact remains that companies remained capitalist and aristocrats prospered unless they were Jewish or protested Nazi policy. Of course they had to do what the Nazis wanted, and the great majority were happy to. Not socialists at all. They were all in concentration camps DUHHHH, dupe. This is all brand new GOP/dupe revisionism.

Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

And he was still born of Austrian blood, not German blood.

There is no such thing as "Austrian blood," you ignorant baboon.

 

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The fact remains that companies remained capitalist and aristocrats prospered unless they were Jewish or protested Nazi policy. Of course they had to do what the Nazis wanted, and the great majority were happy to. Not socialists at all. They were all in concentration camps DUHHHH, dupe. This is all brand new GOP/dupe revisionism.

Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

And he was still born of Austrian blood, not German blood.

There is no such thing as "Austrian blood," you ignorant baboon.

Sure there is, as to denote a person's heritage. Hitler was not German.

 

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Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

And he was still born of Austrian blood, not German blood.

There is no such thing as "Austrian blood," you ignorant baboon.

Sure there is, as to denote a person's heritage. Hitler was not German.

You're an idiot, at best.

So let's recap, Fascism is a form of socialism created by a Bolshevik that includes a centrally managed and planned economy with state mandated collectivism as the foundation. It is a system where individual rights are suppressed in favor of group privilege under an authoritarian state.

Explain to the class fawn, how this substantially differs from Stalin's USSR?

Or even the system advocated by you Soros democrats?

 

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Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

"The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Hitler and the socialist dream

Hitler's discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

The fact remains that companies remained capitalist and aristocrats prospered unless they were Jewish or protested Nazi policy. Of course they had to do what the Nazis wanted, and the great majority were happy to. Not socialists at all. They were all in concentration camps DUHHHH, dupe. This is all brand new GOP/dupe revisionism.

Brand new? Ludwig Von Mises died in 1973. As I said earlier, private ownership of the means of production in Nazi Germany was a facade.

Look at the 25 point National Socialist Program, hardly a ringing endorsement of capitalism.

National Socialist Program - Wikipedia

Hysterical....

A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood

... Hitler wasn't of German blood.

Oh really?



Austria is still a Germanic region, which is why Hitler annexed it, you ignorant git.

And he was still born of Austrian blood, not German blood.

1. What language Austrians speak?

2. Don't go by this:


3.On March 12, 1938, Hitler’s troops rolled over the border from Germany, into Austria. This was the Anschluss, the annexation of Austria into Greater Germany. Three days later, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.
Guess why.

 

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

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As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

 

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

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As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Fawn clings to the big lie. It served the left since the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's. It was a concerted and deliberate lie that was SO OUTRAGEOUS that people accepted it.

Claiming that fascism is "right wing" is like claiming that ice is hot. BUT given the right audience of young minds who are told that recitation of the big lie proves them wise, you soon have those like fawn who are utterly convinced that up is down, because the party mandates it.

 

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Sure there is, as to denote a person's heritage. Hitler was not German.

Could you repeat that in Austrian. Schieß Kopf?

 

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

View attachment 120368

As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Fawn clings to the big lie. It served the left since the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's. It was a concerted and deliberate lie that was SO OUTRAGEOUS that people accepted it.

Claiming that fascism is "right wing" is like claiming that ice is hot. BUT given the right audience of young minds who are told that recitation of the big lie proves them wise, you soon have those like fawn who are utterly convinced that up is down, because the party mandates it.

"It served the left since the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's."

Even further.

From Franklin Roosevelt lying to the American people, and making certain that communism and Stalin survived the war.

Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."

Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!
FDR was lying!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR."The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137

 

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

View attachment 120368

As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Fawn clings to the big lie. It served the left since the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's. It was a concerted and deliberate lie that was SO OUTRAGEOUS that people accepted it.

Claiming that fascism is "right wing" is like claiming that ice is hot. BUT given the right audience of young minds who are told that recitation of the big lie proves them wise, you soon have those like fawn who are utterly convinced that up is down, because the party mandates it.

"...the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's."

1. "The Captive Mind...is a 1953 work of nonfiction byPolish writer, academic andNobel laureate,Czesław Miłosz.... It draws upon his experiences as an underground writer during World War II, and his position within the political and cultural elite of Poland in the immediate post-war years.


The book attempts to explain both the intellectual allure of Stalinism and the temptation of collaboration with the Stalinist regime among intellectuals in post-warCentral and Eastern Europe. Miłosz describes the book as having been written "under great inner conflict"....a portrayal of four different gifted Polish men who capitulated, in some fashion, to the demands of the Communist state.....
The book elaborates the idea of "enslavement through consciousness" ..."


The book is described by historian Norman Davies as a "devastating study" which "totally discredited the cultural and psychological machinery of Communism".[5]In that the book represents the view of an insider and draws on extensive analysis, it has been compared to Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler and Nineteen Eighty-Fourby George Orwell.[4]"
The Captive Mind - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. In the above we find how Soviet indoctrination directed a singular focus on Nazi atrocities and an ignorance of far worse ones by Stalin's communists...

".....Communists in control of pop culture populate the entertainment media with Nazi villains, and, secondarily, CIA or corporate villains, leading to the America of today, accepting communist aims "with never a commissar, Gulag guard, or show trial in sight."
West "American Betrayal," p. 282



The result is dolts such as Faun the Fool.

 

[Pete7469]

I wonder if the majority of American people are as helpless with the definitions of fascism, socialism and communism as a percentage of posters on these boards? But even more surprising are the number of people that seem unable, or even helpless to find the correct definitions. I wonder what the problem is?

What's actually funny, and pathetic of course is that you can't refute a damn thing.

You can't defend the authoritarian nature of you politics, you can't argue that fascists, nazis and the DNC don't have far more in common philosophically with each other than with the GOP.

No....

You'll just keep parroting that everyone else is wrong, and your programmers are right.

The problem is that you're a fucking oxygen thief.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Throwing around the word, "socialist," doesn't make them socialist any more than calling North Korea, "democratic," makes them democratic.There was little that was socialistic about them.

Socialism is where the people collectively, or the government, owns production and distribution of goods.

You yourself just acknowledged that private German citizens owned that. And despite your attempts to paint Nazi's as socialist because your article claims the government controlled businesses ... that is not the definition of socialism nor is there sufficient evidence to confirm that claim anyway.

They were nationalists, authoritarians, and racist -- rightwing traits.

Isn't that cute? Fawn is trying to pretend he knows something.

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As always Fawn, what you "know" simply isn't so.

Socialism is state CONTROL of the means of production.

"Why does the state need to own business? The state owns the owners" - Benito Mussolini

But remember Fawlina, Hitler nationalized HUGE swaths of German industry. The oil and coal industry were taken by the Reich, the steel industry, BMW was nationalized for the war effort, etc.

Even among those industries NOT directly owned by the Reich, Nazi stooges were placed in charge (have you never seen "Schindler's List," fawn?)

Of course Hitler was a military guy, not much interested in economics. Fascism was the baby of that old Bolshevik Mussolini. Il Duce was going to "fix" Communism so it would work. Creating a kleptocracy DID work - in the short term.

It's cute how you think your made up definitions magically replace actual definitions.

But then again, I am pointing this out to the moron who doesn't know the difference between a fawn and a faun.

"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. . What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."

Fawn clings to the big lie. It served the left since the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's. It was a concerted and deliberate lie that was SO OUTRAGEOUS that people accepted it.

Claiming that fascism is "right wing" is like claiming that ice is hot. BUT given the right audience of young minds who are told that recitation of the big lie proves them wise, you soon have those like fawn who are utterly convinced that up is down, because the party mandates it.

"...the Marxists in academia crafted it in the 50's."

1. "The Captive Mind...is a 1953 work of nonfiction byPolish writer, academic andNobel laureate,Czesław Miłosz.... It draws upon his experiences as an underground writer during World War II, and his position within the political and cultural elite of Poland in the immediate post-war years.


The book attempts to explain both the intellectual allure of Stalinism and the temptation of collaboration with the Stalinist regime among intellectuals in post-warCentral and Eastern Europe. Miłosz describes the book as having been written "under great inner conflict"....a portrayal of four different gifted Polish men who capitulated, in some fashion, to the demands of the Communist state.....
The book elaborates the idea of "enslavement through consciousness" ..."


The book is described by historian Norman Davies as a "devastating study" which "totally discredited the cultural and psychological machinery of Communism".[5]In that the book represents the view of an insider and draws on extensive analysis, it has been compared to Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler and Nineteen Eighty-Fourby George Orwell.[4]"
The Captive Mind - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. In the above we find how Soviet indoctrination directed a singular focus on Nazi atrocities and an ignorance of far worse ones by Stalin's communists...

".....Communists in control of pop culture populate the entertainment media with Nazi villains, and, secondarily, CIA or corporate villains, leading to the America of today, accepting communist aims "with never a commissar, Gulag guard, or show trial in sight."
West "American Betrayal," p. 282



The result is dolts such as Faun the Fool.

My point is that Academia started widely disseminating this propaganda in the 1950's; seeking to spark a Communist revolution, which they nearly did in the 60's. Communism was defeated in the 80's, but not on American campuses, where it remains the ONLY view permitted at most institutions.

 

[francoHFW]

Nazi capitalism, yes. All to go to war...

franco hater dupe bot, you have virtually zero knowledge of history.

Would you care to explain how this Nazi "capitalism" worked? Could any person just start a business? No worries about the state? Were all people free to buy and sell with no knowledge of the Nazi Reich needed? A trade between one man and another was perfectly legal? The market determined the production goals of companies, not the Reich? Hitler never ordered his ministers to build production plans, since he was Capitalist and trusted the market?

Do tell?

If you wanted to start a store or other business, GO RIGHT AHEAD, unless you're Jewish or protesting Nazism or a SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST, in which case off to the concentration camp. I have a Masters in History concentrations on HITLER and France and you are a gd idiot lol. The Reich was only interested in WAR PRODUCTION, shutting down protest, and stealing from the Jews. STHU. TYVM.