Liberal friends, if we regain power

[IM2]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

So let me get this straight, you want to see more criminals on our streets, raise taxes so they are unaffordable with all the spending you plan on, force Puerto Rico to become a state against their will, and a higher minimum wage that will distance us further from the world market causing more companies to outsource?

Now you know why you're the minority in this country.

Actually here are more liberals than conservatives.

Only in California, New York and Chicago.

That is why you lost the Electoral College!

But for some reason Hillary got 3 million more votes..

You want to go down that damn road with me?

Fine, Hillary Clinton won the State of California by 4.7 million votes but only won the National vote by 3 million.

Now if you remove the Californian vote it shows Clinton was losing the National vote until California have her the popular vote win.

Also going by the Electoral College map it will show many more state popular vote went to Trump and not to Clinton.

Sure 73 million people voted against Trump but to win the White House you need to win the Electoral College and the popular vote on the state level and not on the National level.

Now as you claim but America is more Liberal the reality is it is more moderate on many issues but please cling to those three million votes when reality Clinton lost the Electoral College and that mean more states went red than blue!

What I said was there are more liberals than conservatives.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The United States Has The Largest Prison Population In The World — And It’s Growing
The United States Has The Largest Prison Population In The World — And It’s Growing
Both in raw numbers and by percentage of the population, the United States has the most prisoners of any developed country in the world — and it has the largest total prison population of any nation.

Lets make it liberal policy to cut this in half.

Let's put all of the liberals in jail and watch our crime rate fall to zero!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

oh, y'all will be back in power at some point, I have no doubt

Take it FWIW, but I am viewing this time in history as a respite before our nation falls apart and goes the way of the old Roman Empire

we cannot sustain the financial burden we have created for ourselves & we have lost our way insofar as morality and common sense.

I am not sure that 8 years of Trump will be enough to right the ship & undo the damage done before he came in

anyway...

1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....

I pretty much agree with this & have said as much in several threads on this forum. In fact, this issue is why I am not 100% thrilled with Sessions as AG.

I do like Sessions & believe him to be an honorable man of good character & integrity, but I do not like his aggressive posture re: the war on drugs

3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.

this is just a really bad idea - have you seen the numbers coming out of California?

They are looking to implement this single payer nightmare & the 1st estimates are that it would more than DOUBLE the state budget. And we all know that initial government estimates on costs are always grossly understated

Cali is already struggling to pay its bills, this would wreck them in a way that I am not sure they could recover from

We cannot be all things to all people, we just can't.

Seriously, how the hell do you think we are going to pay for this?

I can get on board with finding a way to provide basic health services to everyone (immunizations, basic check ups & maybe even access to antibiotics; but when it comes to major surgeries & access to cutting edge new medical developments; those that have worked hard & behaved prudently with their money SHOULD have more access

Good decisions should be rewarded. We do not live in a socialist utopia & such a system is truly unsustainable

This idea is a financial train wreck & will ultimately be the destruction of this country

4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.

you have not been paying attention to Trump, have you?

Infrastructure repairs were a cornerstone of his agenda

If liberals in power had any sense, they would be reaching out and finding a way to compromise on this issue - it is the right thing to do for the long term viability of this country - we could actually see a "win" that would benefit everyone if liberals would put aside their petty hatred for all things TRUMP and act in the people's best interest; especially on something like this where broad bi-partisan support could be found

invest more in science? I could go either way on this, but based on your #2; it seems that you think we can do this while taking away the financial reward for doing so - not sure if we can find real agreement here or not

Education? needs to be left to states & local governments. Our federal government is already too big & powerful, plus, they screw up just about everything they put their hands on

allow local communities more discretion in how this is addressed, you know, like the Constitution calls for - another issue we will likely not find common ground

5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.

no, just hell no

6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

another really bad idea

because economies suffer every time this is done

this would kill jobs and hurt the people you are trying to help

If you really believe there was damage done before Trump and that number 1, Trump is going to get 8 years and number 2, Trump is going to fix something, you've lost already.

The fact is you believe America was perfectly fine during Obama eight years as President.

You are like Obama and believe everything he did was perfect and those that do not agree are racist bigots.

It is sad that LBJ did more for the poor than Obama and let remember for two out of eight years Obama had the House and Senate and failed to get his promise on immigration reform done.

So right there he was a failure while bloating the government too much and wasteful spending as usual.

But let you dream of those eight years of Obama and please remember it was perfect and no one will tell you otherwise!

Well since I have not said all 8 years of Obama was perfect, you do the dreaming.

What I have said is things you say about Obama are not true. And that's because they aren't.

So for 6 years he did not have the house and senate. Also for all 8 years republicans used every procedural rule in the books o stymie anything Obama was trying to do.

It is a shame that you lie like you do.

At least I knew who wrote Mein Kumpf.

Also when Kennedy was alive the Senate was a 60 vote majority, so who is lying?

Also the Democrats lost the Senate in 2014 or did you forget That?

So for the last two years of Obama eight years the House and Senate were GOP, but tell me how I am lying again while you deny reality!

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

OP doesn't seem to want to get that government bureaucracy is why health care costs are astronomical. Liberals just don't give a flying shit about how markets work.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

So let me get this straight, you want to see more criminals on our streets, raise taxes so they are unaffordable with all the spending you plan on, force Puerto Rico to become a state against their will, and a higher minimum wage that will distance us further from the world market causing more companies to outsource?

Now you know why you're the minority in this country.

Actually here are more liberals than conservatives.

Only in California, New York and Chicago.

That is why you lost the Electoral College!

But for some reason Hillary got 3 million more votes..

You want to go down that damn road with me?

Fine, Hillary Clinton won the State of California by 4.7 million votes but only won the National vote by 3 million.

Now if you remove the Californian vote it shows Clinton was losing the National vote until California have her the popular vote win.

Also going by the Electoral College map it will show many more state popular vote went to Trump and not to Clinton.

Sure 73 million people voted against Trump but to win the White House you need to win the Electoral College and the popular vote on the state level and not on the National level.

Now as you claim but America is more Liberal the reality is it is more moderate on many issues but please cling to those three million votes when reality Clinton lost the Electoral College and that mean more states went red than blue!

What I said was there are more liberals than conservatives.

How so?

If you are going off the vote totals then you did not count those that did not vote.

So are you claiming those that did not vote are liberals?

Of course you believe that don't you?

In the end you don't know if there are more liberals or conservatives seeing a good amount of people do not vote and a small amount are third party voter and that three million extra came from California but keep on playing your game...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

" if"

--LOL

We will be back! Your idiocy is going to fuck everything up again as you did with the great depression and great recession.

Your lib friends caused most of those issues, so now you want more problems?

y'all were in power 8 years n didnt do this

Nah, The congress ad senate was majority republican for most of Obams terms.

Obama had two years of complete control and did nothing. That is why he lost control.

 

[Rustic]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

Sounds like a nanny state

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

So let me get this straight, you want to see more criminals on our streets, raise taxes so they are unaffordable with all the spending you plan on, force Puerto Rico to become a state against their will, and a higher minimum wage that will distance us further from the world market causing more companies to outsource?

Now you know why you're the minority in this country.

Actually here are more liberals than conservatives.

Only in California, New York and Chicago.

That is why you lost the Electoral College!

But for some reason Hillary got 3 million more votes..

Look st the population of NY, CA, and Chicago. If she only won by 3 million, that doesn't say much for her appeal!

 

[IM2]

oh, y'all will be back in power at some point, I have no doubt

Take it FWIW, but I am viewing this time in history as a respite before our nation falls apart and goes the way of the old Roman Empire

we cannot sustain the financial burden we have created for ourselves & we have lost our way insofar as morality and common sense.

I am not sure that 8 years of Trump will be enough to right the ship & undo the damage done before he came in

anyway...

1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....

I pretty much agree with this & have said as much in several threads on this forum. In fact, this issue is why I am not 100% thrilled with Sessions as AG.

I do like Sessions & believe him to be an honorable man of good character & integrity, but I do not like his aggressive posture re: the war on drugs

3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.

this is just a really bad idea - have you seen the numbers coming out of California?

They are looking to implement this single payer nightmare & the 1st estimates are that it would more than DOUBLE the state budget. And we all know that initial government estimates on costs are always grossly understated

Cali is already struggling to pay its bills, this would wreck them in a way that I am not sure they could recover from

We cannot be all things to all people, we just can't.

Seriously, how the hell do you think we are going to pay for this?

I can get on board with finding a way to provide basic health services to everyone (immunizations, basic check ups & maybe even access to antibiotics; but when it comes to major surgeries & access to cutting edge new medical developments; those that have worked hard & behaved prudently with their money SHOULD have more access

Good decisions should be rewarded. We do not live in a socialist utopia & such a system is truly unsustainable

This idea is a financial train wreck & will ultimately be the destruction of this country

4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.

you have not been paying attention to Trump, have you?

Infrastructure repairs were a cornerstone of his agenda

If liberals in power had any sense, they would be reaching out and finding a way to compromise on this issue - it is the right thing to do for the long term viability of this country - we could actually see a "win" that would benefit everyone if liberals would put aside their petty hatred for all things TRUMP and act in the people's best interest; especially on something like this where broad bi-partisan support could be found

invest more in science? I could go either way on this, but based on your #2; it seems that you think we can do this while taking away the financial reward for doing so - not sure if we can find real agreement here or not

Education? needs to be left to states & local governments. Our federal government is already too big & powerful, plus, they screw up just about everything they put their hands on

allow local communities more discretion in how this is addressed, you know, like the Constitution calls for - another issue we will likely not find common ground

5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.

no, just hell no

6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

another really bad idea

because economies suffer every time this is done

this would kill jobs and hurt the people you are trying to help

If you really believe there was damage done before Trump and that number 1, Trump is going to get 8 years and number 2, Trump is going to fix something, you've lost already.

The fact is you believe America was perfectly fine during Obama eight years as President.

You are like Obama and believe everything he did was perfect and those that do not agree are racist bigots.

It is sad that LBJ did more for the poor than Obama and let remember for two out of eight years Obama had the House and Senate and failed to get his promise on immigration reform done.

So right there he was a failure while bloating the government too much and wasteful spending as usual.

But let you dream of those eight years of Obama and please remember it was perfect and no one will tell you otherwise!

Well since I have not said all 8 years of Obama was perfect, you do the dreaming.

What I have said is things you say about Obama are not true. And that's because they aren't.

So for 6 years he did not have the house and senate. Also for all 8 years republicans used every procedural rule in the books o stymie anything Obama was trying to do.

It is a shame that you lie like you do.

At least I knew who wrote Mein Kumpf.

Also when Kennedy was alive the Senate was a 60 vote majority, so who is lying?

Also the Democrats lost the Senate in 2014 or did you forget That?

So for the last two years of Obama eight years the House and Senate were GOP, but tell me how I am lying again while you deny reality!

We keep trying to tell jokes do we?

Well in 1960 things were done a little differently than today. Congress was less confrontational and more apt to compromise.

For all 8 years republicans used every procedural rule in the books o stymie anything Obama was trying to do. They obstructed things hey supported before in order to stop Obama. They stood out there telling the dumb like you how we need jobs,asked the president where were the jobs, and when the jobs plan showed up, they filibustered it out of existence.

Seems that these are matters you cannot discuss. Because you're a liar.

 

[Doc1]

Poor little Mattie FooFoo.

 

[dcbl]

What exactly is so insightful about what was said here?

You're one of those that complains that serious discussion can't be found here on this forum, aren't you...

 

[IM2]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

So let me get this straight, you want to see more criminals on our streets, raise taxes so they are unaffordable with all the spending you plan on, force Puerto Rico to become a state against their will, and a higher minimum wage that will distance us further from the world market causing more companies to outsource?

Now you know why you're the minority in this country.

Actually here are more liberals than conservatives.

Only in California, New York and Chicago.

That is why you lost the Electoral College!

But for some reason Hillary got 3 million more votes..

Look st the population of NY, CA, and Chicago. If she only won by 3 million, that doesn't say much for her appeal!

Yawn!

 

[IM2]

What exactly is so insightful about what was said here?

You're one of those that complains that serious discussion can't be found here on this forum, aren't you...

No. I just didn't find what you said all that insightful.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Let's put all of the liberals in jail and watch our crime rate fall to zero!

Absolutely. Why do we need to carry guns today? Because of liberals.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

What you fucking need to do is tell us how you will finance your Christmas list or is 100 trillion in debt okay?

If you reduce the amount of people in prisons and spend it on education, how much extra money will the US have?

List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000. Compare this to England and Wales with 143.

That's about 2.3 million people.

With a UK rate the US would have 480,000 people in prison, not 2.3 million

What Are America’s Prisons Costing Taxpayers?

Average cost per inmate is $31,286 a year.

That's 1.82 million people at a cost of $31,286 a year, that's $56 billion a year.

Pump $56 billion a year into education, and you'll work wonders. Also, the amount of tax that 1.8 million people would be generating for the govt would also add significantly to this. If you pump this money into dealing with mental illness, it would have a significant impact on the country too.

All your statistics show is that we have more criminals than other countries. What does that prove?

The US already spends more per capita on education than any other industrialized country in the world. How did it get that way? Because liberals kept telling us our education system would be better if we pumped more money into it. Never happened. In fact, we have mediocre results to show for all the money we put in.

It proves the country is in a mess, that's what it proves.

Yes, the US has mediocre results for education for the money put in, it has a poor prison system, it has a poor health system for the money put in, what does this say about the USA?

 

[iceberg]

y'all were in power 8 years n didnt do this

The Great Recession kinda was more important at the time. You know, that huge mess that W made of the economy by cutting taxes and starting wars.

like i said - always an excuse. now trump is cleaning up obama's mess...

 

[WillowTree]

Liberal friends, if we regain power! Here is what we need to do.
1. Reduce the federal law book on non-violent crimes. Sorry, but we shouldn't be the most imprisoned nation on earth. We should reduce the prison population greatly as we're doing so.
2. One of these is legalization of pot....
3. We need a single payer system in this country. Sorry, but that is the only way. I expect that the republicans will get their way and we will be around 50-55 ranking by 2020 in healthcare...People will die and will thirst for democratic leadership.
4. We need infrastructure, science and educational rebuilding plan for this country...1. build infrastructure from our bridges to our energy infrastructure, 2. invest more into science and 3. aim to improve our educational system...It is in sad shape.
5. We need our congressional majority to make Puerto Rico our 51st state.
6. Raise the minimum wage to at least 11 bucks per hour.

We need to show the American people that liberal leadership is the right way. Archaist failed in somalia, central African republic and other third world countries and it is bad here too. No way to govern a first world modern country!

What you fucking need to do is tell us how you will finance your Christmas list or is 100 trillion in debt okay?

If you reduce the amount of people in prisons and spend it on education, how much extra money will the US have?

List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000. Compare this to England and Wales with 143.

That's about 2.3 million people.

With a UK rate the US would have 480,000 people in prison, not 2.3 million

What Are America’s Prisons Costing Taxpayers?

Average cost per inmate is $31,286 a year.

That's 1.82 million people at a cost of $31,286 a year, that's $56 billion a year.

Pump $56 billion a year into education, and you'll work wonders. Also, the amount of tax that 1.8 million people would be generating for the govt would also add significantly to this. If you pump this money into dealing with mental illness, it would have a significant impact on the country too.

All your statistics show is that we have more criminals than other countries. What does that prove?

The US already spends more per capita on education than any other industrialized country in the world. How did it get that way? Because liberals kept telling us our education system would be better if we pumped more money into it. Never happened. In fact, we have mediocre results to show for all the money we put in.

It proves the country is in a mess, that's what it proves.

Yes, the US has mediocre results for education for the money put in, it has a poor prison system, it has a poor health system for the money put in, what does this say about the USA?

What? You now realize obamacare is a poor system? Wtf took you so long?

 

[ChrisL]

What exactly is so insightful about what was said here?

You're one of those that complains that serious discussion can't be found here on this forum, aren't you...

No. I just didn't find what you said all that insightful.

And why not? It was very insightful and made a lot more sense than anything Matthew ever says!

 

[ChrisL]

So let me get this straight, you want to see more criminals on our streets, raise taxes so they are unaffordable with all the spending you plan on, force Puerto Rico to become a state against their will, and a higher minimum wage that will distance us further from the world market causing more companies to outsource?

Now you know why you're the minority in this country.

Actually here are more liberals than conservatives.

Only in California, New York and Chicago.

That is why you lost the Electoral College!

But for some reason Hillary got 3 million more votes..

You want to go down that damn road with me?

Fine, Hillary Clinton won the State of California by 4.7 million votes but only won the National vote by 3 million.

Now if you remove the Californian vote it shows Clinton was losing the National vote until California have her the popular vote win.

Also going by the Electoral College map it will show many more state popular vote went to Trump and not to Clinton.

Sure 73 million people voted against Trump but to win the White House you need to win the Electoral College and the popular vote on the state level and not on the National level.

Now as you claim but America is more Liberal the reality is it is more moderate on many issues but please cling to those three million votes when reality Clinton lost the Electoral College and that mean more states went red than blue!

What I said was there are more liberals than conservatives.

Really? Did you count them?

 

[dcbl]

What exactly is so insightful about what was said here?

You're one of those that complains that serious discussion can't be found here on this forum, aren't you...

No. I just didn't find what you said all that insightful.

Don't care

Try to counter my arguments without the help of Google

Let's start with an easy one

Why should Democrats not reach out to Trump to pass legislation on infrastructure repair?