Liberalism and Limitless Welfare: An Explanation.

[gipper]

The One Cent Solution Penny Plan balances the federal budget by 2019.

The Three Keys
1. A Plan that Works
The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on, we can:

• Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
• Balance the budget by 2019.

Moreover, instead of using inflated budget “baselines” to claim nonexistent spending “cuts” a common practice in Washington, the One Cent Solution calls for real cuts. Under the One Cent plan, the sum of all discretionary and entitlement spending will have to go down from one year to the next, by one percent or more.

2. Legislative Strategy
The One Percent Spending Reduction Act of 2011 embodies the principles of the One Cent Solution. Also known as the “Penny Plan” on Capitol Hill, this legislation was introduced by Congressman Connie Mack (R-FL) and Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) and is currently supported by 71 Members of the House and 13 Members of the Senate. Visit our current legislation page to view the list.

The “Penny Plan” legislation would cap overall spending to fit within the One Cent Solution targets. The legislation then calls on Congress to evaluate all areas of the federal government to make certain that future spending fits under the caps.

Under the One Cent Solution or “Penny Plan”, not all programs must be cut by one percent. Congress may determine that some programs are too critical to cut, but that would require that other programs be reduced more so that the total amount cut is equal to one cent for every dollar each year for six years.

For example, let’s say the federal budget only had three programs, each with an annual budget of $1.00. How might Congress meet the One Cent mandate?

1. Congress cuts Program A by one cent every year for six years. That means the annual budget for Program A is $0.99 in year one and then $0.98, $0.97, $0.96, $0.95 and finally $0.94.
2. Program B is found to be essential and efficient — Congress chooses not to cut Program B.
3. Program C is outdated and needs to be restructured — Congress cuts two cents each year for six years from Program C.

In this example, Congress is able to make program-by-program decisions to bring spending within the One Cent Solution caps. If Congress fails to make those tough decisions, then automatic, across-the-board cuts would be imposed to make sure the caps were enforced. The One Cent Solution is a “belt and suspenders” approach to making certain spending is brought under control and the budget is balanced.

3. Public Support

That's a fascinating pipe dream. How will it solve poverty and create good paying jobs?

It is all interconnected with the entire problem, buy your rhetoric will not allow you to see that will it.......................

It is about our economy as a whole...............and the endless cycle of debt that leads to the devaluation of our currency............Now you can go and do as others and show our currency increasing in value versus other currencies in the current currency Wars.............All across the world these manipulators of FIAT PAPER are rigging the system NOT ON REAL THINGS...........BUT PAPER...............

Part of our economic problem is that our currency losing it's value as it has been since the 70's..............Our buying power and the cost of buying everyday items is part of the Standard of Living for our country.................

The ultimate FIX is NOT FROM GOV'T...............as people like you keep saying.........Like WE NEED A JOBS BILL..........WE NEED MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES.............those are not the ultimate fix.............The Ultimate fix is PRIVATE and NOT MORE BORROWING AND MORE FEDERAL DEBT.............

Which means we need to encourage INVESTMENT by simplifying tax codes and STOP REGULATING INDUSTRY TO DEATH................See the 10 thousand commandments...............

At the same time we need to end Free Trade...............and place tariffs on unfair trade agreements............

All is interconnected.............

PIPE DREAM..........only if you are a FOOL.........anyone that says we can't CUT 1 CENT ON THE DOLLAR off the Federal Budget a year for a period of 6 years is a FOOL............and shouldn't hold ANY OFFICE.............

I've shown the waste on this very thread again...........Tell me who has cut THESE ABSOLUTE FRAUD SPENDING on the American Taxpayers........................see Wastebook..........

I have posted these very areas many many times on many of threads and a hell of a lot more.

You chose to ignore it...........as always............as does the Status Quo of both parties....................BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE GOV'T.......................

and that is the problem.

Because the education industry is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc.

Rather than education, their main interests are along these lines:

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT)passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events

I'm failing to see what this has to do with anything.

So the passed some resolution based on something that has nothing to do with anything. So what?

Questions that need to be asked are. If liberals who are more interested in politics than education run things, then why haven't the right ever done anything to change things?
Why has this situation allowed to exist and stay, even when Republicans run a lot of states and half the time run the USA?
And many more questions on such a line.

"And yet the US education system isn't succeeding, especially for poorer kids. Why not?"

I answered that and provided a prime example to support same.



"I'm failing to see...."

Exactly.

Do you realize that poor kids only even get to go to school in this country because we have a socialist school system?

In your free market non-socialist vision of America, who would pay for the education of the children whose parents could not afford the market price of an education?

lol, PC won't answer, so any of you anti-socialism types are invited to give it a shot.

Trying to defend socialism again................

Education is a fundamental program in every country in the world..........Has been in every style of Government from Communism to Democracies............

It serves no purpose to make it an excuse fore SOCIALISM GOOD, CAPITALISM BAD......................

That is rhetoric of an agenda and your agenda is well known to me.

Conservatives agree our kids need an education and have never balked on providing one................it is a non issue as is the amount spent.

Right, so conservatives agree that the free market and the private sector can't do everything, and that socialism is in fact the appropriate approach in some circumstances.

Education is one. Healthcare should be another.

Why do conservatives, as you claim, accept socialism in education but reject socialized medicine?

Or, perhaps, as I have said many times, conservatives really don't reject socialized medicine at least to the extent that it provides healthcare to those who otherwise couldn't afford it at market prices.

Government controlling anything is dumb. It has proven itself to be ineffective and inefficient...along with lots of corruption designed to enrich the elite and connected.

Yet...amazingly, many Americans illogically believe in government...CRAZY!!!!

 

[eagle1462010]

The One Cent Solution Penny Plan balances the federal budget by 2019.

The Three Keys
1. A Plan that Works
The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on, we can:

• Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
• Balance the budget by 2019.

Moreover, instead of using inflated budget “baselines” to claim nonexistent spending “cuts” a common practice in Washington, the One Cent Solution calls for real cuts. Under the One Cent plan, the sum of all discretionary and entitlement spending will have to go down from one year to the next, by one percent or more.

2. Legislative Strategy
The One Percent Spending Reduction Act of 2011 embodies the principles of the One Cent Solution. Also known as the “Penny Plan” on Capitol Hill, this legislation was introduced by Congressman Connie Mack (R-FL) and Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) and is currently supported by 71 Members of the House and 13 Members of the Senate. Visit our current legislation page to view the list.

The “Penny Plan” legislation would cap overall spending to fit within the One Cent Solution targets. The legislation then calls on Congress to evaluate all areas of the federal government to make certain that future spending fits under the caps.

Under the One Cent Solution or “Penny Plan”, not all programs must be cut by one percent. Congress may determine that some programs are too critical to cut, but that would require that other programs be reduced more so that the total amount cut is equal to one cent for every dollar each year for six years.

For example, let’s say the federal budget only had three programs, each with an annual budget of $1.00. How might Congress meet the One Cent mandate?

1. Congress cuts Program A by one cent every year for six years. That means the annual budget for Program A is $0.99 in year one and then $0.98, $0.97, $0.96, $0.95 and finally $0.94.
2. Program B is found to be essential and efficient — Congress chooses not to cut Program B.
3. Program C is outdated and needs to be restructured — Congress cuts two cents each year for six years from Program C.

In this example, Congress is able to make program-by-program decisions to bring spending within the One Cent Solution caps. If Congress fails to make those tough decisions, then automatic, across-the-board cuts would be imposed to make sure the caps were enforced. The One Cent Solution is a “belt and suspenders” approach to making certain spending is brought under control and the budget is balanced.

3. Public Support

That's a fascinating pipe dream. How will it solve poverty and create good paying jobs?

It is all interconnected with the entire problem, buy your rhetoric will not allow you to see that will it.......................

It is about our economy as a whole...............and the endless cycle of debt that leads to the devaluation of our currency............Now you can go and do as others and show our currency increasing in value versus other currencies in the current currency Wars.............All across the world these manipulators of FIAT PAPER are rigging the system NOT ON REAL THINGS...........BUT PAPER...............

Part of our economic problem is that our currency losing it's value as it has been since the 70's..............Our buying power and the cost of buying everyday items is part of the Standard of Living for our country.................

The ultimate FIX is NOT FROM GOV'T...............as people like you keep saying.........Like WE NEED A JOBS BILL..........WE NEED MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES.............those are not the ultimate fix.............The Ultimate fix is PRIVATE and NOT MORE BORROWING AND MORE FEDERAL DEBT.............

Which means we need to encourage INVESTMENT by simplifying tax codes and STOP REGULATING INDUSTRY TO DEATH................See the 10 thousand commandments...............

At the same time we need to end Free Trade...............and place tariffs on unfair trade agreements............

All is interconnected.............

PIPE DREAM..........only if you are a FOOL.........anyone that says we can't CUT 1 CENT ON THE DOLLAR off the Federal Budget a year for a period of 6 years is a FOOL............and shouldn't hold ANY OFFICE.............

I've shown the waste on this very thread again...........Tell me who has cut THESE ABSOLUTE FRAUD SPENDING on the American Taxpayers........................see Wastebook..........

I have posted these very areas many many times on many of threads and a hell of a lot more.

You chose to ignore it...........as always............as does the Status Quo of both parties....................BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE GOV'T.......................

and that is the problem.

Because the education industry is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc.

Rather than education, their main interests are along these lines:

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT)passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events

I'm failing to see what this has to do with anything.

So the passed some resolution based on something that has nothing to do with anything. So what?

Questions that need to be asked are. If liberals who are more interested in politics than education run things, then why haven't the right ever done anything to change things?
Why has this situation allowed to exist and stay, even when Republicans run a lot of states and half the time run the USA?
And many more questions on such a line.

"And yet the US education system isn't succeeding, especially for poorer kids. Why not?"

I answered that and provided a prime example to support same.



"I'm failing to see...."

Exactly.

Do you realize that poor kids only even get to go to school in this country because we have a socialist school system?

In your free market non-socialist vision of America, who would pay for the education of the children whose parents could not afford the market price of an education?

lol, PC won't answer, so any of you anti-socialism types are invited to give it a shot.

Trying to defend socialism again................

Education is a fundamental program in every country in the world..........Has been in every style of Government from Communism to Democracies............

It serves no purpose to make it an excuse fore SOCIALISM GOOD, CAPITALISM BAD......................

That is rhetoric of an agenda and your agenda is well known to me.

Conservatives agree our kids need an education and have never balked on providing one................it is a non issue as is the amount spent.

Right, so conservatives agree that the free market and the private sector can't do everything, and that socialism is in fact the appropriate approach in some circumstances.

Education is one. Healthcare should be another.

Why do conservatives, as you claim, accept socialism in education but reject socialized medicine?

Or, perhaps, as I have said many times, conservatives really don't reject socialized medicine at least to the extent that it provides healthcare to those who otherwise couldn't afford it at market prices.

Take 2 doses of U.S. debt information and call me in the morning.

Under the constitution of a REPUBLIC............certain duties are assigned to the federal Gov't.........like roads, post office, basic education, trade, immigration, and those not granted to the Feds should be handled by the States..............

Edjamacation is a Federal and State issue.............it is a BASIC ISSUE............and therefore not to be confused with the defense of socialism whereby the country takes all and decides who gets some back........................

The Feds have too much power and too much Red Tape..........increasing costs that they cannot afford to pay....

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's a fascinating pipe dream. How will it solve poverty and create good paying jobs?

It is all interconnected with the entire problem, buy your rhetoric will not allow you to see that will it.......................

It is about our economy as a whole...............and the endless cycle of debt that leads to the devaluation of our currency............Now you can go and do as others and show our currency increasing in value versus other currencies in the current currency Wars.............All across the world these manipulators of FIAT PAPER are rigging the system NOT ON REAL THINGS...........BUT PAPER...............

Part of our economic problem is that our currency losing it's value as it has been since the 70's..............Our buying power and the cost of buying everyday items is part of the Standard of Living for our country.................

The ultimate FIX is NOT FROM GOV'T...............as people like you keep saying.........Like WE NEED A JOBS BILL..........WE NEED MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES.............those are not the ultimate fix.............The Ultimate fix is PRIVATE and NOT MORE BORROWING AND MORE FEDERAL DEBT.............

Which means we need to encourage INVESTMENT by simplifying tax codes and STOP REGULATING INDUSTRY TO DEATH................See the 10 thousand commandments...............

At the same time we need to end Free Trade...............and place tariffs on unfair trade agreements............

All is interconnected.............

PIPE DREAM..........only if you are a FOOL.........anyone that says we can't CUT 1 CENT ON THE DOLLAR off the Federal Budget a year for a period of 6 years is a FOOL............and shouldn't hold ANY OFFICE.............

I've shown the waste on this very thread again...........Tell me who has cut THESE ABSOLUTE FRAUD SPENDING on the American Taxpayers........................see Wastebook..........

I have posted these very areas many many times on many of threads and a hell of a lot more.

You chose to ignore it...........as always............as does the Status Quo of both parties....................BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE GOV'T.......................

and that is the problem.

I'm failing to see what this has to do with anything.

So the passed some resolution based on something that has nothing to do with anything. So what?

Questions that need to be asked are. If liberals who are more interested in politics than education run things, then why haven't the right ever done anything to change things?
Why has this situation allowed to exist and stay, even when Republicans run a lot of states and half the time run the USA?
And many more questions on such a line.

"And yet the US education system isn't succeeding, especially for poorer kids. Why not?"

I answered that and provided a prime example to support same.



"I'm failing to see...."

Exactly.

Do you realize that poor kids only even get to go to school in this country because we have a socialist school system?

In your free market non-socialist vision of America, who would pay for the education of the children whose parents could not afford the market price of an education?

lol, PC won't answer, so any of you anti-socialism types are invited to give it a shot.

Trying to defend socialism again................

Education is a fundamental program in every country in the world..........Has been in every style of Government from Communism to Democracies............

It serves no purpose to make it an excuse fore SOCIALISM GOOD, CAPITALISM BAD......................

That is rhetoric of an agenda and your agenda is well known to me.

Conservatives agree our kids need an education and have never balked on providing one................it is a non issue as is the amount spent.

Right, so conservatives agree that the free market and the private sector can't do everything, and that socialism is in fact the appropriate approach in some circumstances.

Education is one. Healthcare should be another.

Why do conservatives, as you claim, accept socialism in education but reject socialized medicine?

Or, perhaps, as I have said many times, conservatives really don't reject socialized medicine at least to the extent that it provides healthcare to those who otherwise couldn't afford it at market prices.

Take 2 doses of U.S. debt information and call me in the morning.

Under the constitution of a REPUBLIC............certain duties are assigned to the federal Gov't.........like roads, post office, basic education, trade, immigration, and those not granted to the Feds should be handled by the States..............

Edjamacation is a Federal and State issue.............it is a BASIC ISSUE............and therefore not to be confused with the defense of socialism whereby the country takes all and decides who gets some back........................

The Feds have too much power and too much Red Tape..........increasing costs that they cannot afford to pay....

A citizen's health is more basic than his education.

 

[eagle1462010]

That's a fascinating pipe dream. How will it solve poverty and create good paying jobs?

It is all interconnected with the entire problem, buy your rhetoric will not allow you to see that will it.......................

It is about our economy as a whole...............and the endless cycle of debt that leads to the devaluation of our currency............Now you can go and do as others and show our currency increasing in value versus other currencies in the current currency Wars.............All across the world these manipulators of FIAT PAPER are rigging the system NOT ON REAL THINGS...........BUT PAPER...............

Part of our economic problem is that our currency losing it's value as it has been since the 70's..............Our buying power and the cost of buying everyday items is part of the Standard of Living for our country.................

The ultimate FIX is NOT FROM GOV'T...............as people like you keep saying.........Like WE NEED A JOBS BILL..........WE NEED MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES.............those are not the ultimate fix.............The Ultimate fix is PRIVATE and NOT MORE BORROWING AND MORE FEDERAL DEBT.............

Which means we need to encourage INVESTMENT by simplifying tax codes and STOP REGULATING INDUSTRY TO DEATH................See the 10 thousand commandments...............

At the same time we need to end Free Trade...............and place tariffs on unfair trade agreements............

All is interconnected.............

PIPE DREAM..........only if you are a FOOL.........anyone that says we can't CUT 1 CENT ON THE DOLLAR off the Federal Budget a year for a period of 6 years is a FOOL............and shouldn't hold ANY OFFICE.............

I've shown the waste on this very thread again...........Tell me who has cut THESE ABSOLUTE FRAUD SPENDING on the American Taxpayers........................see Wastebook..........

I have posted these very areas many many times on many of threads and a hell of a lot more.

You chose to ignore it...........as always............as does the Status Quo of both parties....................BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE GOV'T.......................

and that is the problem.

I'm failing to see what this has to do with anything.

So the passed some resolution based on something that has nothing to do with anything. So what?

Questions that need to be asked are. If liberals who are more interested in politics than education run things, then why haven't the right ever done anything to change things?
Why has this situation allowed to exist and stay, even when Republicans run a lot of states and half the time run the USA?
And many more questions on such a line.

"And yet the US education system isn't succeeding, especially for poorer kids. Why not?"

I answered that and provided a prime example to support same.



"I'm failing to see...."

Exactly.

Do you realize that poor kids only even get to go to school in this country because we have a socialist school system?

In your free market non-socialist vision of America, who would pay for the education of the children whose parents could not afford the market price of an education?

lol, PC won't answer, so any of you anti-socialism types are invited to give it a shot.

Trying to defend socialism again................

Education is a fundamental program in every country in the world..........Has been in every style of Government from Communism to Democracies............

It serves no purpose to make it an excuse fore SOCIALISM GOOD, CAPITALISM BAD......................

That is rhetoric of an agenda and your agenda is well known to me.

Conservatives agree our kids need an education and have never balked on providing one................it is a non issue as is the amount spent.

Right, so conservatives agree that the free market and the private sector can't do everything, and that socialism is in fact the appropriate approach in some circumstances.

Education is one. Healthcare should be another.

Why do conservatives, as you claim, accept socialism in education but reject socialized medicine?

Or, perhaps, as I have said many times, conservatives really don't reject socialized medicine at least to the extent that it provides healthcare to those who otherwise couldn't afford it at market prices.

Government controlling anything is dumb. It has proven itself to be ineffective and inefficient...along with lots of corruption designed to enrich the elite and connected.

Yet...amazingly, many Americans illogically believe in government...CRAZY!!!!

Conservative ignorance as to the facts and truth of public assistance programs is comprehensive and absolute; they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma.

Then state the facts based on sources and not just dogma from your side.............

Disprove the data posted on this thread as I presented it.

The author of this thread starts by saying that welfare is limitless. That is nonsense. That 'data' is wrong.

Need proof beyond the existence of common sense?

We have increased the welfare roles on size and items over time...........from phones, houses, paying power bills, and more more more...........

Your side thinks that it is any program your heart desires even when we have to borrow to pay for it. Increasing our debt and payments on interest for this debt...............

You ignore this debt, and say look Johnny stubbed his toe........The Gov't needs to pay for that.................when it has no means of sustaining the financial burdens of the country which is destructive of the economy and our dollar.

It is the policy of ignorance...............and eventual economic collapse that history proves happens time and time again..............

another poster said history is NOT IMPORTANT...........even though history tends to Repeat itself...............We ignore the history of those who did what we are doing now to our dismay...............

The Gov't was never intended to be the answer to everything...........unless you believe in communism.

 

[eagle1462010]

It is all interconnected with the entire problem, buy your rhetoric will not allow you to see that will it.......................

It is about our economy as a whole...............and the endless cycle of debt that leads to the devaluation of our currency............Now you can go and do as others and show our currency increasing in value versus other currencies in the current currency Wars.............All across the world these manipulators of FIAT PAPER are rigging the system NOT ON REAL THINGS...........BUT PAPER...............

Part of our economic problem is that our currency losing it's value as it has been since the 70's..............Our buying power and the cost of buying everyday items is part of the Standard of Living for our country.................

The ultimate FIX is NOT FROM GOV'T...............as people like you keep saying.........Like WE NEED A JOBS BILL..........WE NEED MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES.............those are not the ultimate fix.............The Ultimate fix is PRIVATE and NOT MORE BORROWING AND MORE FEDERAL DEBT.............

Which means we need to encourage INVESTMENT by simplifying tax codes and STOP REGULATING INDUSTRY TO DEATH................See the 10 thousand commandments...............

At the same time we need to end Free Trade...............and place tariffs on unfair trade agreements............

All is interconnected.............

PIPE DREAM..........only if you are a FOOL.........anyone that says we can't CUT 1 CENT ON THE DOLLAR off the Federal Budget a year for a period of 6 years is a FOOL............and shouldn't hold ANY OFFICE.............

I've shown the waste on this very thread again...........Tell me who has cut THESE ABSOLUTE FRAUD SPENDING on the American Taxpayers........................see Wastebook..........

I have posted these very areas many many times on many of threads and a hell of a lot more.

You chose to ignore it...........as always............as does the Status Quo of both parties....................BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE GOV'T.......................

and that is the problem.

"And yet the US education system isn't succeeding, especially for poorer kids. Why not?"

I answered that and provided a prime example to support same.



"I'm failing to see...."

Exactly.

Do you realize that poor kids only even get to go to school in this country because we have a socialist school system?

In your free market non-socialist vision of America, who would pay for the education of the children whose parents could not afford the market price of an education?

lol, PC won't answer, so any of you anti-socialism types are invited to give it a shot.

Trying to defend socialism again................

Education is a fundamental program in every country in the world..........Has been in every style of Government from Communism to Democracies............

It serves no purpose to make it an excuse fore SOCIALISM GOOD, CAPITALISM BAD......................

That is rhetoric of an agenda and your agenda is well known to me.

Conservatives agree our kids need an education and have never balked on providing one................it is a non issue as is the amount spent.

Right, so conservatives agree that the free market and the private sector can't do everything, and that socialism is in fact the appropriate approach in some circumstances.

Education is one. Healthcare should be another.

Why do conservatives, as you claim, accept socialism in education but reject socialized medicine?

Or, perhaps, as I have said many times, conservatives really don't reject socialized medicine at least to the extent that it provides healthcare to those who otherwise couldn't afford it at market prices.

Take 2 doses of U.S. debt information and call me in the morning.

Under the constitution of a REPUBLIC............certain duties are assigned to the federal Gov't.........like roads, post office, basic education, trade, immigration, and those not granted to the Feds should be handled by the States..............

Edjamacation is a Federal and State issue.............it is a BASIC ISSUE............and therefore not to be confused with the defense of socialism whereby the country takes all and decides who gets some back........................

The Feds have too much power and too much Red Tape..........increasing costs that they cannot afford to pay....

A citizen's health is more basic than his education.

and has Obombcare changed the cost of that as promised............NOPE............rates continue to sky rocket............due to the rules...........and businesses are making changes to the workforce to adapt................causing lost jobs and 30 hour weeks.....................

That isn't a solution. It's a disaster..................

 

[frigidweirdo]

Summing it up...........

1. You agree with me on common core.
2. You don't like Geography. See no importance in it..........WE'LL disagree there.
3. Traditional skills are outdated..........WE'll disagree there as well. Reading, Math, Science, History are basic fundamentals.
4. Again you bring up Cuba on cost per GDP even after we have both agreed it is not the issue.
5. Tech Schools and Trade Schools...... I agree and they are offered to students who apply........money is there........they must choose to do so.
6. You ditch History and Geography again...........I disagree.......They should know our history and should be able to read a dang map.
7. Teachers pay should be reward based on ability. We agree.
8. Bullying needs to be addressed.....that is as old as it gets.........it's been going on forever and how is it dealt wrong now..
9. Parents need to be more involved. We agree......but we don't need a parents bill of rights.
10. We should support Michele's school lunch program.........We disagree.

Common core more or less. I don't hate Geography, I liked it at school. That's not the point. The point is that subjects are only as useful as the skills they are being used to transmit.
Reading, math, are essential to life. I won't put this in the list of subjects that are not needed unless as tools. Science has its place too, at least on a basic level for basic understanding of the way the world works.

I don't agree with History. Often history is what people have written. History only becomes important to learn skills, when you learn how to read history, to use sources, to make decisions on what is important, and to come to conclusions on your own. These are the skills that are essential, rather than the actual knowledge.

I'd say tech and trade schools should be more widespread, more developed and made on par with normal education.

Reading a map is hardly all Geography is about. If reading a map is an essential skill, then teach the skill, but it doesn't take 5 years or more to learn to map read. And know our history is important? Again, we go back to who wrote the history.

I'm ot talking about supporting Michelle Obama's lunch program. Again, this is another time when I use an example to explain an issue and the example gets taken instead of the issue.
The issue is that a lot of people are failing the education system because they don't seem to know what is best for children in school. That people are willing to see a lack of education pass as education.

Why kids would be given bad food in schools is beyond me. When bad food is passed off as good healthy food it's even worse. What are you teaching kids? You might as well teach them that the blacks enslaved the whites in the South.

 

[frigidweirdo]

YAWN...........

You drew first blood..............by making false accusations.............end of discussion.............

Don't do that and you will not get return fire from me.

Yawn indeed.......

 

[BluesLegend]

For inflation-adjusted, per capita federal welfare state spending to increase by 254 percent from 1977 to 2013, without a correspondingly dramatic reduction in poverty, and for liberals to react to this phenomenon by taking the position that our welfare state’s only real defect is that it is insufficiently generous,..."

Liberals truly are fundamentally stupid people. Its one of the great irony's in my lifetime that they consider themselves the intelligent enlightened class. We live in a complex world with complex problems yet liberals repeatedly throw half baked poorly thought out feel good fixes at these problems causing more harm than good...then incredibly blame others when it blows up in their faces.

A great example of liberal stupidity is how they have enslaved our young people to student loan debt. Awe those poor young people lets make it easier for them to go to college. I know lets have the government guarantee the loans that way everyone can get a student loan. So what happened? Guaranteeing risky student loans that lenders would otherwise never approve allowed tuition to skyrocket. They waved a risk free government money flag and colleges and universities came running to cash in. HELLO earth to idiot liberals. You think healthcare costs have increased have a look at the cost of education.

If 18 years olds with no job and no experience can't get $150,000 in government guaranteed student loans tuition would come down. There is over $1 trillion dollars of student loan debt on the books now, that is insane. This debt will set back our young people at least a decade or more financially. Buying their first new car, new house, having kids, e.g. things that drive the economy are all delayed due to young people being slaved out to pay off this student loan debt. Worse many will turn to credit cards at 18% to 29% interest.

Home mortages...ditto and we saw how that turned out.

 

[frigidweirdo]

For inflation-adjusted, per capita federal welfare state spending to increase by 254 percent from 1977 to 2013, without a correspondingly dramatic reduction in poverty, and for liberals to react to this phenomenon by taking the position that our welfare state’s only real defect is that it is insufficiently generous,..."

Liberals truly are fundamentally stupid people. Its one of the great irony's in my lifetime that they consider themselves the intelligent enlightened class. We live in a complex world with complex problems yet liberals repeatedly throw half baked poorly thought out feel good fixes at these problems causing more harm than good...then incredibly blame others when it blows up in their faces.

A great example of liberal stupidity is how they have enslaved our young people to student loan debt. Awe those poor young people lets make it easier for them to go to college. I know lets have the government guarantee the loans that way everyone can get a student loan. So what happened? Guaranteeing risky student loans that lenders would otherwise never approve allowed tuition to skyrocket. They waved a risk free government money flag and colleges and universities came running to cash in. HELLO earth to idiot liberals. You think healthcare costs have increased have a look at the cost of education.

If 18 years olds with no job and no experience can't get $150,000 in government guaranteed student loans tuition would come down. There is over $1 trillion dollars of student loan debt on the books now, that is insane. This debt will set back our young people at least a decade or more financially. Buying their first new car, new house, having kids, e.g. things that drive the economy are all delayed due to young people being slaved out to pay off this student loan debt. Worse many will turn to credit cards at 18% to 29% interest.

Home mortages...ditto and we saw how that turned out.

If you think just liberals are stupid, when most people simply don't care to have things that work properly. To simply state one side of the great mess is stupid, is quite stupid.

 

[BluesLegend]

For inflation-adjusted, per capita federal welfare state spending to increase by 254 percent from 1977 to 2013, without a correspondingly dramatic reduction in poverty, and for liberals to react to this phenomenon by taking the position that our welfare state’s only real defect is that it is insufficiently generous,..."

Liberals truly are fundamentally stupid people. Its one of the great irony's in my lifetime that they consider themselves the intelligent enlightened class. We live in a complex world with complex problems yet liberals repeatedly throw half baked poorly thought out feel good fixes at these problems causing more harm than good...then incredibly blame others when it blows up in their faces.

A great example of liberal stupidity is how they have enslaved our young people to student loan debt. Awe those poor young people lets make it easier for them to go to college. I know lets have the government guarantee the loans that way everyone can get a student loan. So what happened? Guaranteeing risky student loans that lenders would otherwise never approve allowed tuition to skyrocket. They waved a risk free government money flag and colleges and universities came running to cash in. HELLO earth to idiot liberals. You think healthcare costs have increased have a look at the cost of education.

If 18 years olds with no job and no experience can't get $150,000 in government guaranteed student loans tuition would come down. There is over $1 trillion dollars of student loan debt on the books now, that is insane. This debt will set back our young people at least a decade or more financially. Buying their first new car, new house, having kids, e.g. things that drive the economy are all delayed due to young people being slaved out to pay off this student loan debt. Worse many will turn to credit cards at 18% to 29% interest.

Home mortages...ditto and we saw how that turned out.

If you think just liberals are stupid, when most people simply don't care to have things that work properly. To simply state one side of the great mess is stupid, is quite stupid.

Go ahead, ask me about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans. It would be safe to say my opinion of most politicians is quite low. That said I can name far more stupid liberal mistakes, they just seen to have a knack for it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Go ahead, ask me about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans. It would be safe to say my opinion of most politicians is quite low. That said I can name far more stupid liberal mistakes, they just seen to have a knack for it.

What about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans?

 

[haissem123]

William Voegeli spoke at Hillsdale College in October, analyzing why, with inordinate growth and very little in results of solving poverty, "liberals do not seem all that concerned about whether the machine they’ve built, and want to keep expanding, is running well.

For inflation-adjusted, per capita federal welfare state spending to increase by 254 percent from 1977 to 2013, without a correspondingly dramatic reduction in poverty, and for liberals to react to this phenomenon by taking the position that our welfare state’s only real defect is that it is insufficiently generous,..."


No...not insanity, although one could make that argument.
Voegeli explains it as a different twist of their psyche.




1. "....while the welfare state was growing constantly, liberals were insisting constantly it wasn’t big enough or growing fast enough..... the welfare state is a permanent work-in-progress, and its liberal advocates believe that however many resources it has, it always needs a great deal more.

2. [We are left with] two of the journalist’s standard questions:
What is the liberal disposition regarding the growth of the welfare state? ....
Why do liberals feel that no matter how much we’re doing through government programs to alleviate and prevent poverty, whatever we are doing is shamefully inadequate?




3. [From a policy perspective,] Progressives of a century ago, followed by New Deal and Great Society liberals, worked to transform a republic where the government had limited duties and powers into a nation where there were no grievances the government could or should refrain from addressing, and where no means of responding to those grievances lie outside the scope of the government’s legitimate authority.




4. If we make ...an effort to understand committed liberals as they understand themselves—then we have to understand them as people who, by their own account, get up every morning asking, “What can I do today so that there’s a little less suffering in the world?” ....the question of liberal compassion,....

a. Empathetic kindness is “what binds us together, and . . . how we’ve always moved forward, based on the idea that we have a stake in each other’s success.” [These are the] Arguments and rhetoric that work—that impress voters and intimidate opponents—are used again and again.




5. [But] disciplining government according to “measured provable performance and effective spending” ought to be a “completely philosophically neutral objective.” Skinflint conservatives want government to be thrifty for obvious reasons, but ... liberals’ motivations should be even stronger.

a. ‘You [Liberals] ought to be the most offended of anybody if a dollar that could help a poor person is being squandered in some way.’"
Current Issue

I am most offended that many dollars are being squandered in many ways sitting in bank accounts of people that took money thinking they are worth billions as others working for them are on welfare or soaking up poisons from their industries in many forms.

 

[BluesLegend]

Go ahead, ask me about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans. It would be safe to say my opinion of most politicians is quite low. That said I can name far more stupid liberal mistakes, they just seen to have a knack for it.

What about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans?

Bush telling us the Iraq war would only cost $70 billion and that Iraq would pay us back with oil revenue. I called BS on that as soon as he said it and hundreds of billions of dollars later we are still spending money on that country and they haven't paid us back one thin dime. There you go, just for starters.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservative ignorance as to the facts and truth of public assistance programs is comprehensive and absolute; they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma.

"...they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma."

Find any lies in the following, you low-life sack of sewage.

1.. News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1 percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly a decade, has set off a predictable round of calls for increased government spending on social welfare programs. Yet this year the federal government will spend more than $668 billion on at least 126 different programs to fight poverty.

2. And that does not even begin to count welfare spending by state and local governments, which adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the United States spends nearly $1 trillion every year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.

3. On January 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson delivered a State of the Union address to Congress in which he declared an “unconditional war on poverty in America.”
At the time, the poverty rate in America was around 19 percent and falling rapidly. This year, it is reported that the poverty rate is expected to be roughly 15.1 percent and climbing."
Scribd



I made you eat your words again, huh?

Getting to be a regular pattern.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Go ahead, ask me about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans. It would be safe to say my opinion of most politicians is quite low. That said I can name far more stupid liberal mistakes, they just seen to have a knack for it.

What about the dumb ass GOP establishment Republicans?

Bush telling us the Iraq war would only cost $70 billion and that Iraq would pay us back with oil revenue. I called BS on that as soon as he said it and hundreds of billions of dollars later we are still spending money on that country and they haven't paid us back one thin dime. There you go, just for starters.

Seems quite a bad one huh? Either way, it makes no difference left or right, they're all destroying the US.

 

[PoliticalChic]

William Voegeli spoke at Hillsdale College in October, analyzing why, with inordinate growth and very little in results of solving poverty, "liberals do not seem all that concerned about whether the machine they’ve built, and want to keep expanding, is running well.

For inflation-adjusted, per capita federal welfare state spending to increase by 254 percent from 1977 to 2013, without a correspondingly dramatic reduction in poverty, and for liberals to react to this phenomenon by taking the position that our welfare state’s only real defect is that it is insufficiently generous,..."


No...not insanity, although one could make that argument.
Voegeli explains it as a different twist of their psyche.




1. "....while the welfare state was growing constantly, liberals were insisting constantly it wasn’t big enough or growing fast enough..... the welfare state is a permanent work-in-progress, and its liberal advocates believe that however many resources it has, it always needs a great deal more.

2. [We are left with] two of the journalist’s standard questions:
What is the liberal disposition regarding the growth of the welfare state? ....
Why do liberals feel that no matter how much we’re doing through government programs to alleviate and prevent poverty, whatever we are doing is shamefully inadequate?




3. [From a policy perspective,] Progressives of a century ago, followed by New Deal and Great Society liberals, worked to transform a republic where the government had limited duties and powers into a nation where there were no grievances the government could or should refrain from addressing, and where no means of responding to those grievances lie outside the scope of the government’s legitimate authority.




4. If we make ...an effort to understand committed liberals as they understand themselves—then we have to understand them as people who, by their own account, get up every morning asking, “What can I do today so that there’s a little less suffering in the world?” ....the question of liberal compassion,....

a. Empathetic kindness is “what binds us together, and . . . how we’ve always moved forward, based on the idea that we have a stake in each other’s success.” [These are the] Arguments and rhetoric that work—that impress voters and intimidate opponents—are used again and again.




5. [But] disciplining government according to “measured provable performance and effective spending” ought to be a “completely philosophically neutral objective.” Skinflint conservatives want government to be thrifty for obvious reasons, but ... liberals’ motivations should be even stronger.

a. ‘You [Liberals] ought to be the most offended of anybody if a dollar that could help a poor person is being squandered in some way.’"
Current Issue

I am most offended that many dollars are being squandered in many ways sitting in bank accounts of people that took money thinking they are worth billions as others working for them are on welfare or soaking up poisons from their industries in many forms.

I'm gonna need help with this one...

.....wait....let me call Fargo North, decoder.

 

[haissem123]

Conservative ignorance as to the facts and truth of public assistance programs is comprehensive and absolute; they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma.

"...they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma."

Find any lies in the following, you low-life sack of sewage.

1.. News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1 percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly a decade, has set off a predictable round of calls for increased government spending on social welfare programs. Yet this year the federal government will spend more than $668 billion on at least 126 different programs to fight poverty.

2. And that does not even begin to count welfare spending by state and local governments, which adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the United States spends nearly $1 trillion every year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.

3. On January 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson delivered a State of the Union address to Congress in which he declared an “unconditional war on poverty in America.”
At the time, the poverty rate in America was around 19 percent and falling rapidly. This year, it is reported that the poverty rate is expected to be roughly 15.1 percent and climbing."
Scribd



I made you eat your words again, huh?

Getting to be a regular pattern.

all these facts are created from billionaires taking too much off the top dah.... you know those buying your politicians to give loop holes deregulate wall street etc. you people are paying for their grand ol parties on both sides and just keep choosing to be on the loosing side of this corrupt system instead of over turning it and making a new one not so easily corrupted. did you hear christie advocating to sell government to highest bidder? that's what you want? and you reap what it sows.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservative ignorance as to the facts and truth of public assistance programs is comprehensive and absolute; they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma.

"...they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma."

Find any lies in the following, you low-life sack of sewage.

1.. News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1 percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly a decade, has set off a predictable round of calls for increased government spending on social welfare programs. Yet this year the federal government will spend more than $668 billion on at least 126 different programs to fight poverty.

2. And that does not even begin to count welfare spending by state and local governments, which adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the United States spends nearly $1 trillion every year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.

3. On January 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson delivered a State of the Union address to Congress in which he declared an “unconditional war on poverty in America.”
At the time, the poverty rate in America was around 19 percent and falling rapidly. This year, it is reported that the poverty rate is expected to be roughly 15.1 percent and climbing."
Scribd



I made you eat your words again, huh?

Getting to be a regular pattern.

all these facts are created from billionaires taking too much off the top dah.... you know those buying your politicians to give loop holes deregulate wall street etc. you people are paying for their grand ol parties on both sides and just keep choosing to be on the loosing side of this corrupt system instead of over turning it and making a new one not so easily corrupted. did you hear christie advocating to sell government to highest bidder? that's what you want? and you reap what it sows.

Do you know what a "fact" is???

Try English, you dope.

Start with 'dictionary/'

Post #194 is entirely factual. American has the richest 'poor people' in the world. Know where the money to pay them comes from?
No....not the government. It takes it from producers.

Enough language arts.
Now for your history lesson:

Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury

Founding.com A Project of the Claremont Institute



Hey....ever heard of Thomas Jefferson???

 

[haissem123]

Conservative ignorance as to the facts and truth of public assistance programs is comprehensive and absolute; they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma.

"...they adhere only to the myths and lies contrived to comport with errant rightwing dogma."

Find any lies in the following, you low-life sack of sewage.

1.. News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1 percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly a decade, has set off a predictable round of calls for increased government spending on social welfare programs. Yet this year the federal government will spend more than $668 billion on at least 126 different programs to fight poverty.

2. And that does not even begin to count welfare spending by state and local governments, which adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the United States spends nearly $1 trillion every year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.

3. On January 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson delivered a State of the Union address to Congress in which he declared an “unconditional war on poverty in America.”
At the time, the poverty rate in America was around 19 percent and falling rapidly. This year, it is reported that the poverty rate is expected to be roughly 15.1 percent and climbing."
Scribd



I made you eat your words again, huh?

Getting to be a regular pattern.

all these facts are created from billionaires taking too much off the top dah.... you know those buying your politicians to give loop holes deregulate wall street etc. you people are paying for their grand ol parties on both sides and just keep choosing to be on the loosing side of this corrupt system instead of over turning it and making a new one not so easily corrupted. did you hear christie advocating to sell government to highest bidder? that's what you want? and you reap what it sows.

Do you know what a "fact" is???

Try English, you dope.

Start with 'dictionary/'

Post #194 is entirely factual. American has the richest 'poor people' in the world. Know where the money to pay them comes from?
No....not the government. It takes it from producers.

Enough language arts.
Now for your history lesson:

Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury

Founding.com A Project of the Claremont Institute



Hey....ever heard of Thomas Jefferson???

who was the old timer that said either you are a made man or a slave for another man? if you'd work for the heaven of a few, why wouldn't you work for the heaven for the many? makes no sense. I see these scum you refer to and they'd work harder then any of the rich and take less for it. you are all lost souls. if you stopped long enough to listen for a truth through all the lies you might hear a cool tune. think of humanity as a body. do you starve the muscles that feed the brain? give the muscles no rest? polluted the brain with it's own vanity? porn power and violence? do you pollute the muslces nervous system with fear? money is oxygen and all parts need it. the brain should get more but not at the expense of all other systems. wake up.

 

[Dragonlady]

Americans are so afraid that one person will bilk the system that they set up elaborate systems of fraud detection that cost far more than the losses which occur because of fraud or abuse of the system. Every single program has "means testing" which duplicates the means testing of other programs. It's one thing to talk about how much money is spent on social programs, but how much of that money is actually making into the hands of the people it's purportedly supposed to help and how much is spent on administration of these programs?

Food stamps, is one example of a program which layers means testing on top of other means testing. And recipients are required to spend the money in stores taking electronic debit cards which restrict their shopping to supermarkets and other corporate entities. The cards can't be used at farmers' markets or fresh produce stands where the consumer gets more nutritious foods at a lower price. It would be far cheaper to increase general welfare, or earned income credits to put more money into the hands of low income families and let them spend the money where they see fit.

Someone published a list of all of the programs under which the poor were able to obtain money from the government, but each program was separately administered, often by different government departments or even by differing levels of government, required separate means testing, and a whole separate government department for administration. While it can reasonably be argued that such administration provides jobs for the unemployed, it also adds to the costs of such programs.

Means testing is an expensive process. In Canada, they did studies which found that the cost of means testing was more expensive for some programs than universal coverage, and that was cheaper to make some programs available to everyone, than it was to eliminate those who didn't need the money.

In the early 1990's, the Province of New Brunswick was able to cut $300 million from the provincial budget and balanced the budget, without cutting government programs or services. It was referred to as McKenna's Miracle (Frank McKenna was the Premier of the province at the time). Basically, the province cut $300 million from the costs of administering government programs by streamlining the system under which they were administered, and removing the duplication of work between departments and programs.