Liberals Celebrating Bastille Day??

[Sallow]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

1. Of course, you might include WWI, WWII, Korea, etc. in your bogus example

2. But the comparison is between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

These are the operative facts:

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.

b. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years."
Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.





Now, if you intend to claim that both the American Revolution and the Civil War must be combined....

.... One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8



So....once again, you are abysmally incorrect.

But, what can one expect from an individual with a brain the equivalent to a BB in a boxcar.

When you start hating on France, perhaps and arguably the closest Ally of the US..

It's really quite clear that the goal of you and your ilk is to set America up as a Pariah.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.

There was no "genocide of the Native Americans."

The concept is merely another attempt by the Left to persuade the simple-minded, you, of how evil this great nation is.



Pay attention:

1. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”


2. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled "Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?" in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".





3. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census.

Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.

Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library


The reported population of Native Americans by the most recent Census has soared more than 1000% since 1900, over 3 times that of the US as a whole. A reasonable explanation is that intermarriage and assimilation reveal that a portion of the reported disappearance of native Americans may be that many still exist but in a different description.





4. Whatever the original number, historians agree that infectious disease brought about 75-95% decline after European settlement began.

Jared Mason Diamond is an American geographer, evolutionary biologist, physiologist, lecturer, and nonfiction author. Diamond works as a professor of geography and physiology at UCLA. He is best known for the Pulitzer Prize-winning book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" (1998), which also won the Phi Beta Kappa Award in Science, in which he states “diseases introduced with Europeans spread from tribe to tribe far in advance of the Europeans themselves…[including] smallpox, measles, influenza, and typhus…”



I hope this reveals what an America-hating dunce you are.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

1. Of course, you might include WWI, WWII, Korea, etc. in your bogus example

2. But the comparison is between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

These are the operative facts:

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.

b. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years."
Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.





Now, if you intend to claim that both the American Revolution and the Civil War must be combined....

.... One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8



So....once again, you are abysmally incorrect.

But, what can one expect from an individual with a brain the equivalent to a BB in a boxcar.

LOL, where did you learn to count? Homeschooling?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

1. Of course, you might include WWI, WWII, Korea, etc. in your bogus example

2. But the comparison is between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

These are the operative facts:

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.

b. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years."
Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.





Now, if you intend to claim that both the American Revolution and the Civil War must be combined....

.... One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8



So....once again, you are abysmally incorrect.

But, what can one expect from an individual with a brain the equivalent to a BB in a boxcar.

When you start hating on France, perhaps and arguably the closest Ally of the US..

It's really quite clear that the goal of you and your ilk is to set America up as a Pariah.

Wise of you not to attempt to contend with the material that I've provided.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

1. Of course, you might include WWI, WWII, Korea, etc. in your bogus example

2. But the comparison is between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

These are the operative facts:

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.

b. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years."
Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.





Now, if you intend to claim that both the American Revolution and the Civil War must be combined....

.... One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8



So....once again, you are abysmally incorrect.

But, what can one expect from an individual with a brain the equivalent to a BB in a boxcar.

LOL, where did you learn to count? Homeschooling?

Wise of you not to attempt to contend with any of the material that I've provided.

 

[Sallow]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.

Due also to the belief in Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism.

They also gloss over slavery..

 

[asterism]

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

What "simple concepts"?

Ultimately the French Revolution led to the Democratic Republic it has today.

You folks seem to think that A. Everyone else is wrong. B. Revolutions and Wars are clean when you like them. and C. That your smug self righteousness wins the day every time.

It doesn't.

And your naive and childish recanting of history is just that.

No, I just think you're slow and wrong about Bastille Day.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

And how exactly does any of that make the OP's point - such as it is, which apparently now to disparage anyone who doesn't have contempt for the origins of the French Revolution -

less imbecilic?

 

[konradv]

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

WOW!!! You really have the history all convoluted. I suggest you study up.

The Revolution led directly to Robespierre and the Terror. The Wars of the Revolution led to the rise of Napoleon and the First Empire, another monarchy. His downfall led to the restoration of the Bourbons and a Constitutional monarchy. Their deposition led to the Second Republic, which was overthrown by Napoleon III, becoming the Second Empire. After a war with Prussia, we THEN get to the situation where France becomes the Constitutional Republic we know today.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What "simple concepts"?

Ultimately the French Revolution led to the Democratic Republic it has today.

You folks seem to think that A. Everyone else is wrong. B. Revolutions and Wars are clean when you like them. and C. That your smug self righteousness wins the day every time.

It doesn't.

And your naive and childish recanting of history is just that.

Absolutely delicious irony.

You are the one who tried to broad brush history and failed. Then you want to come back and act like what you said was true, even after it was pointed out that you're omitting a lot of facts to draw your conclusion.

Shocking! Shocking, i tell you!

Failed what?

Failure to you guys is different then failure to us.

Failure to you guys is success for the rest of the real world.

While success for you guys..is abject failure for the real world.

You guys live in bizzaro land and expect the rest of the world, which you call parasites and freeloaders to follow suit.

Except it's really you folks that are what you criticize.

OMFG, dude. Your ramblings get ever more incoherent around here.

Your assertion is that the french revolution resulted in the democratic republic that france is today. Now, you've skipped a lot there. A LOT. It was not a direct result of the revolution that ended in a democratic republic. Which was your assertion. Then you go on this tirade about bizzaro land and what not.

I cant. I simply must ignore your from here on out. You rmind me of TM WAAAYYY too much anymore.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

WOW!!! You really have the history all convoluted. I suggest you study up.

The Revolution led directly to Robespierre and the Terror. The Wars of the Revolution led to the rise of Napoleon and the First Empire, another monarchy. His downfall led to the restoration of the Bourbons and a Constitutional monarchy. Their deposition led to the Second Republic, which was overthrown by Napoleon III, becoming the Second Empire. After a war with Prussia, we THEN get to the situation where France becomes the Constitutional Republic we know today.

You're splitting a few hairs there, but clearly you know your history on the subject. Rep given.

 

[NYcarbineer]

2.It is more than passing interesting that liberals, whose history is that of the French Revolution, attempt to hide this by trying to portray the American Revolution as their inception.
Let’s see, the American Revolution had the Minutemen, the ride of Paul Revere, the Continental Congress, the Declaration of Independence and the Liberty Bell.

It's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once in case some of her gems of stupidity may have escaped notice at first glance.

The history of American liberalism is that of the French Revolution???

American liberalism has attempted to hide this???

Who wants to volunteer a guess here as to what that is supposed to mean?

lol

 

[westwall]

So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

After it became a dictatorship, then an empire, then a monarchy again, then another revolution, followed by another semi dictatorship, then another Republic. All before World War One. France was the banana republic of Europe for 100 years.

 

[oldfart]

So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2.It is more than passing interesting that liberals, whose history is that of the French Revolution, attempt to hide this by trying to portray the American Revolution as their inception.
Let’s see, the American Revolution had the Minutemen, the ride of Paul Revere, the Continental Congress, the Declaration of Independence and the Liberty Bell.

It's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once in case some of her gems of stupidity may have escaped notice at first glance.

The history of American liberalism is that of the French Revolution???

American liberalism has attempted to hide this???

Who wants to volunteer a guess here as to what that is supposed to mean?

lol

"t's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once"

Had you stopped at that point, there might have been some hope for you.



But, no....you went on to prove that, intellectually, you remain locked in a life and death struggle with Vorticella.



Apologies to Vorticella.

 

[asterism]

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

And how exactly does any of that make the OP's point - such as it is, which apparently now to disparage anyone who doesn't have contempt for the origins of the French Revolution -

less imbecilic?

I didn't comment on the OP. Try to read what I actually said and what I was responding to.

 

[NYcarbineer]

2.It is more than passing interesting that liberals, whose history is that of the French Revolution, attempt to hide this by trying to portray the American Revolution as their inception.
Let’s see, the American Revolution had the Minutemen, the ride of Paul Revere, the Continental Congress, the Declaration of Independence and the Liberty Bell.

It's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once in case some of her gems of stupidity may have escaped notice at first glance.

The history of American liberalism is that of the French Revolution???

American liberalism has attempted to hide this???

Who wants to volunteer a guess here as to what that is supposed to mean?

lol

"t's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once"

Had you stopped at that point, there might have been some hope for you.



But, no....you went on to prove that, intellectually, you remain locked in a life and death struggle with Vorticella.



Apologies to Vorticella.

You must listen to alot of Hannity because for years his tactic on the radio whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark.

Why don't name the American liberals for us who model the French Revolution moreso than the American Revolution.

That would back up your heretofore baseless claim.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once in case some of her gems of stupidity may have escaped notice at first glance.

The history of American liberalism is that of the French Revolution???

American liberalism has attempted to hide this???

Who wants to volunteer a guess here as to what that is supposed to mean?

lol

"t's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once"

Had you stopped at that point, there might have been some hope for you.



But, no....you went on to prove that, intellectually, you remain locked in a life and death struggle with Vorticella.



Apologies to Vorticella.

You must listen to alot of Hannity because for years his tactic on the radio whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark.

Why don't name the American liberals for us who model the French Revolution moreso than the American Revolution.

That would back up your heretofore baseless claim.

"whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark."


That might, in fact, have some moment if there was someone of that description that I was "up against."


Sadly.....there's only you.



There is one way for you to improve your condition: set the controls and steer for the center of the sun.

Bon voyage....

 

[westwall]

It's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once in case some of her gems of stupidity may have escaped notice at first glance.

The history of American liberalism is that of the French Revolution???

American liberalism has attempted to hide this???

Who wants to volunteer a guess here as to what that is supposed to mean?

lol

"t's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once"

Had you stopped at that point, there might have been some hope for you.



But, no....you went on to prove that, intellectually, you remain locked in a life and death struggle with Vorticella.



Apologies to Vorticella.

You must listen to alot of Hannity because for years his tactic on the radio whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark.

Why don't name the American liberals for us who model the French Revolution moreso than the American Revolution.

That would back up your heretofore baseless claim.

I love your sig line. Funny how one of the richest men in the world decries the accumulation of wealth while writing regulations that bring him ever more wealth and you libtards gleefully accept his laws. If you had brains you'd be dangerous.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?