Lois Lerner to take the 5th. Again.

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You're not only an Obama fluffer, Joe but an extremely ignorant one as well! The unemployment rate didn't drop when the Stimulus started...it went UP substantially! You'd KNOW that if you weren't so busy trying to cover up for this Administration's policy failures with laughable attempts to accuse anyone who points them out of "racism"! You don't have to invent a new economic statistic...jobs created or saved...if what you did actually worked. You do that when it doesn't!

Unemployment in 2009- 10%
Unemployment today - 6.7%.

Stimulus worked just fine. Sorry.

Now, it would have been nice if we had actually did the FULL stimulus instead of the watered down, fairy wings on a cement truck version we did get.

Yeah, nice try, Joe! (NOT!!!)

After ARRA became law, the actual unemployment rate exceeded 8% in February 2009, exceeded 9% in May 2009, and exceeded 10% in October 2009. The actual unemployment rate was 9.2% in June 2011 when it was projected to be below 7% with the ARRA.

It's OBVIOUS the stimulus didn't work...unemployment went up substantially...you liberals invented the term "jobs saved" to try and hide that fact...then whined that the problem was that we didn't waste MORE money on MORE stupid things like Solyndra.

 

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Romney would have been 1000% better than obama. He would have been a very good president. But we will never know because you fools gave the kenyan messiah 4 more years to complete his destruction of the country he hates.

He wasn't a good governor. One term and he was done.

And honestly, the only person who I saw who "destroyed" the country was your boy Bush.

 

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Yeah, nice try, Joe! (NOT!!!)

After ARRA became law, the actual unemployment rate exceeded 8% in February 2009, exceeded 9% in May 2009, and exceeded 10% in October 2009. The actual unemployment rate was 9.2% in June 2011 when it was projected to be below 7% with the ARRA.

It's OBVIOUS the stimulus didn't work...unemployment went up substantially...you liberals invented the term "jobs saved" to try and hide that fact...then whined that the problem was that we didn't waste MORE money on MORE stupid things like Solyndra.

It was projected to be below 7% if we got the 3 TRILLION dollar stimulus Obama had proposed,a nd that was only one analyst's projection.

Instead we got the 873 Billion version over three years, half of which were tax cuts and payments to states. Very little of it was payments for infrastructure and putting people to work.

 

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I am not familiar with the Cruz case, but I am sure that you misstated it. Did the guy confess when he "talked" to the police?

If you are innocent you cannot incriminate yourself by telling the truth, if you are guilty, you can.

cruz was trying to scam the cops out of the reward money for information. As a result, they decided that he "looked good for it', and proceeded to fit all their "evidence" to that conclusion. They also managed to try two other schlubs whose only crime was that they were friends of Cruz.

The Fifth Amendment exists for EXACTLY this sort of reason. To protect suspects or people invovled in cases from overzealous, inept or corrupt investigators and prosecutors.

And frankly, "inept" "Corrupt" and "overzealous" generally describe Issa to a "Tea".

pull your pants up joe, your bias is showing.

if the guy lied to the cops, what happened to him is his fault, if the cops set him up they are corrupt. your case has nothing to do with the Lerner case.

Issa is doing his job. The administration was using the IRS to illegally harm political opponents, the truth will get out eventually, just like the truth about the benghazi lies will eventually be known.

 

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Yeah, nice try, Joe! (NOT!!!)

After ARRA became law, the actual unemployment rate exceeded 8% in February 2009, exceeded 9% in May 2009, and exceeded 10% in October 2009. The actual unemployment rate was 9.2% in June 2011 when it was projected to be below 7% with the ARRA.

It's OBVIOUS the stimulus didn't work...unemployment went up substantially...you liberals invented the term "jobs saved" to try and hide that fact...then whined that the problem was that we didn't waste MORE money on MORE stupid things like Solyndra.

It was projected to be below 7% if we got the 3 TRILLION dollar stimulus Obama had proposed,a nd that was only one analyst's projection.

Instead we got the 873 Billion version over three years, half of which were tax cuts and payments to states. Very little of it was payments for infrastructure and putting people to work.

Yo, joey boy. where did the money for the stimulus come from? got any idea?

 

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This was NOT a problem with the tax code! This was a problem with liberals taking advantage of the power they had to handicap their political opponents. What they did was criminal and they need to be punished to the full extent of the law so it doesn't happen TO ANYONE in the future!

No, the Tax Code was just fine until SCOTUS decided to fuck it all up with Citizen's United.

And really, guy, i know you want to blame anyone but the fact you nominated a complete asshole in 2012 for your loss.

I garuntee you, I voted against Romney because he was an asshole. And a Mormon. And really, nothing a Teabagging Group was going to say to me was really going to change that.

There were two candidates running in 2012. One had a proven track record of success in dealing with troubled organizations and a proven record of bi-partisanship...the other had a proven track record of being unable to fix broken things and a proven record of hyper-partisanship. You voted for the guy who doesn't have the skills that the job of President demands and didn't vote for the guy who was uniquely qualified to hold that job. Now you're spending hours everyday defending the abysmal record of the man that YOU helped put into office.

 

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Yeah, nice try, Joe! (NOT!!!)

After ARRA became law, the actual unemployment rate exceeded 8% in February 2009, exceeded 9% in May 2009, and exceeded 10% in October 2009. The actual unemployment rate was 9.2% in June 2011 when it was projected to be below 7% with the ARRA.

It's OBVIOUS the stimulus didn't work...unemployment went up substantially...you liberals invented the term "jobs saved" to try and hide that fact...then whined that the problem was that we didn't waste MORE money on MORE stupid things like Solyndra.

It was projected to be below 7% if we got the 3 TRILLION dollar stimulus Obama had proposed,a nd that was only one analyst's projection.

Instead we got the 873 Billion version over three years, half of which were tax cuts and payments to states. Very little of it was payments for infrastructure and putting people to work.

Show me where Barack Obama proposed a 3 Trillion dollar stimulus!

 

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pull your pants up joe, your bias is showing.

if the guy lied to the cops, what happened to him is his fault, if the cops set him up they are corrupt. your case has nothing to do with the Lerner case.

Issa is doing his job. The administration was using the IRS to illegally harm political opponents, the truth will get out eventually, just like the truth about the benghazi lies will eventually be known.

No, guy, lying to the police should NOT get you sent to death row.

There should have been a point where the cops and prosecutors realized they had the wrong guy, and it should have been long before Brian Dugan, the real killer, fessed up to the crime.

They were still prosecuting him years after Dugan copped to it.

Now, here's the thing. We already have evidence that the Cincinatti office made the decision to apply the criteria (which frankly, kind of made sense) to these applications without Lerner or Obama telling them to.

But here you have Issa, two years later, trying to prove that nope, nope, must have been a conspriary to actually DO THEIR JOBS and QUESTION whether a political group was really entitled to a tax exemption reserved for charities.

 

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There were two candidates running in 2012. One had a proven track record of success in dealing with troubled organizations and a proven record of bi-partisanship...the other had a proven track record of being unable to fix broken things and a proven record of hyper-partisanship. You voted for the guy who doesn't have the skills that the job of President demands and didn't vote for the guy who was uniquely qualified to hold that job. Now you're spending hours everyday defending the abysmal record of the man that YOU helped put into office.

Guy, the only thing ROmney had a record of was being a Mormon asshole who looted companies and left working folks out on the street.

And by the time he left office in Mass. in 2006, he didn't even BOTHER to try to run for re-election he was so unpopular.

"Oh, but if my Tea Party group had just gotten our tax exemption for our bag of money from the Koch Brothers, that would have changed EVERYTHING!!!"

 

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Yo, joey boy. where did the money for the stimulus come from? got any idea?

Well, they should have come from taxing the ever living fuck out of rich people.

But much like the War against Iraq, we just put it on the credit card.

 

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Wasn't the war in Iraq supposed to "pay for itself"?

 

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pull your pants up joe, your bias is showing.

if the guy lied to the cops, what happened to him is his fault, if the cops set him up they are corrupt. your case has nothing to do with the Lerner case.

Issa is doing his job. The administration was using the IRS to illegally harm political opponents, the truth will get out eventually, just like the truth about the benghazi lies will eventually be known.

No, guy, lying to the police should NOT get you sent to death row.

There should have been a point where the cops and prosecutors realized they had the wrong guy, and it should have been long before Brian Dugan, the real killer, fessed up to the crime.

They were still prosecuting him years after Dugan copped to it.

Now, here's the thing. We already have evidence that the Cincinatti office made the decision to apply the criteria (which frankly, kind of made sense) to these applications without Lerner or Obama telling them to.

But here you have Issa, two years later, trying to prove that nope, nope, must have been a conspriary to actually DO THEIR JOBS and QUESTION whether a political group was really entitled to a tax exemption reserved for charities.

Unbelievable...you're back trying to blame this on "rogue agents" in the Cincinnati office? LOL Dude, the Obama Administration tried that bit of misdirection long ago and it was shown to complete bullshit! Lerner knew exactly what was going on at the IRS...it wasn't something that happened just in Cincinnati.

 

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Show me where Barack Obama proposed a 3 Trillion dollar stimulus!

 

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Unbelievable...you're back trying to blame this on "rogue agents" in the Cincinnati office? LOL Dude, the Obama Administration tried that bit of misdirection long ago and it was shown to complete bullshit! Lerner knew exactly what was going on at the IRS...it wasn't something that happened just in Cincinnati.

again, your opinion is not 'fact".

 

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Yo, joey boy. where did the money for the stimulus come from? got any idea?

Well, they should have come from taxing the ever living fuck out of rich people.

But much like the War against Iraq, we just put it on the credit card.

So you want to stimulate the economy...and YOU think that the way to do so is to tax "the ever living fuck out of rich people"? I don't know what's more amusing...watching you flounder trying to defend the actions of the liberals who used the IRS to target conservatives...or watching you epically fail trying to have an intelligent conversation about economics.

Yeah, I guess you COULD tax the ever living fuck out of rich people...if you were looking to destroy what little economic growth we did have! That's the kind of mindless proposal that gets made by people who let ideology blind them to reality.

 

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Unbelievable...you're back trying to blame this on "rogue agents" in the Cincinnati office? LOL Dude, the Obama Administration tried that bit of misdirection long ago and it was shown to complete bullshit! Lerner knew exactly what was going on at the IRS...it wasn't something that happened just in Cincinnati.

again, your opinion is not 'fact".

nope, that has been proven. the direction came from DC. Lerner took the 5th rather than tell who it came from.

 

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Show me where Barack Obama proposed a 3 Trillion dollar stimulus!

Sorry, man, I was kind of feeling bad for you that you would say something so ignorant and I was trying to pretend you didn't say it rather than humiliate you using Google.

Obama's stimulus succeeded ? even if it was too small - The Week

True Cost of Stimulus: $3.27 Trillion | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation

 

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Unbelievable...you're back trying to blame this on "rogue agents" in the Cincinnati office? LOL Dude, the Obama Administration tried that bit of misdirection long ago and it was shown to complete bullshit! Lerner knew exactly what was going on at the IRS...it wasn't something that happened just in Cincinnati.

again, your opinion is not 'fact".

nope, that has been proven. the direction came from DC. Lerner took the 5th rather than tell who it came from.

NO, she took the fifth because she doesn't answer to Issa.

 

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Yo, joey boy. where did the money for the stimulus come from? got any idea?

Well, they should have come from taxing the ever living fuck out of rich people.

But much like the War against Iraq, we just put it on the credit card.

you could take 100% of the income and wealth from the to 5% and it would not eliminate the deficit or pay down the debt.

your class warfare rhetoric is bullshit, just like 99% of the dem/lib rhetoric.

 

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Unbelievable...you're back trying to blame this on "rogue agents" in the Cincinnati office? LOL Dude, the Obama Administration tried that bit of misdirection long ago and it was shown to complete bullshit! Lerner knew exactly what was going on at the IRS...it wasn't something that happened just in Cincinnati.

again, your opinion is not 'fact".

It's not just my "opinion" that this wasn't just a few rogue agents in Cincinnati...it's also the opinion of the Inspector General who investigated what happened.

You seem to believe that if you repeat a lie often enough that it will somehow become the truth.