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It's become a cliche these days, but Hillary Clinton should be one of the first to go. ( like that will happen ) She's gotten agents killed with her careless emails, and she's an arms-dealing psychopath who destroys entire nations and laughs about it.______Good post.Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government---its known at "Entrapment" and it is a bar, a legal defense, to punishment for the crime.
But that is just the start of the story as to General Flynn.
I don't feel like explaining it all---it's a long story, but it involved KGB-like pressure--psychological torture---breaking him financially, and threatening to do the same to his son to get him to plead to a "process crime" which it is not clear he even committed.
People do plead to crimes they didn't commit, to avoid other hassles which are worse. The most basic example is paying a traffic ticket when you don't think you did anything wrong---to avoid the hassle and cost of fighting it.
It was of course much worse for Flynn.
Out of spite, Obama operatives investigated him for being a possible Russian Agent---a 30 year combat veteran--found nothing---and decided to close the case--until Comey and McCabe and Strzok said in effect: "no keep it open perhaps we can "entrap" him into a lie if we interview him even though we we know he has committed no crime.
So, they sprung a trap and interviewed him without him even knowing he was involved in an investigation---nefarious as it was. The people who did it did not find evidence of lying, and they didn't charge him----but later on---Mueller and his Gestapo---needing a scapegoat to keep their sham investigation in the news---did pursue him; and his son---and reduced him to plead to relieve the psychological and financial torture.
The issue is now, not whether Flynn, who was suspected of no crime, lied to the FBI when they performed a shame interview---the issue is much larger than Flynn--it is the behavior of our DOJ/FBI---which very much resembles the old Soviet KGB---at least the way it was operated under Obama and his apparachits.
Forget Flynn. What has been exposed should terrify every American---except you Bolsheviks, of course.
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This was the second thread I started on USMB just to test the waters.
How NSA tracks you and why it's illegal.
August 2017 William "Bill" Binney, former NSA technical director on how NSA track you.www.usmessageboard.com
A few know what when on. Those who watch the New York Media---a Pravda-like Extension of the Democratic Party---certainly do not.
But, it is part of what Attorney General Barr was referring to when he said what was done to Trump and his Campaign...and his Presidency after election----was "one of the greatest travesties in American History." And that it amounted to an attempt to "sabotage" his presidency.
That's the TWICE confirmed Attorney General of the United States.
People are going to jail.
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I challenge you to be able to exactly recall, to the finest detail, a conversation you had weeks ago.
Nobody asked Flynn for the finest detail. he either discussed with Russians sanctions or he didn't.
I would obviously have ZERO problems recalling something so sensitive in nature and I would OBVIOUSLY not be pleading guilty to lying to FBI (on multiple counts no less) if I simply forgot something.
The only reason it is not obvious to you is that like most politico nutters, you have a nasty habit of shutting down your common sense facilities if they lead to inconvenient conclusions.
Nobody asked Flynn for the finest detail. he either discussed with Russians sanctions or he didn't.
The discussion of which was not a crime.
Then why did Flynn lie about having those conversations?
I challenge you to be able to exactly recall, to the finest detail, a conversation you had weeks ago.
Nobody asked Flynn for the finest detail. he either discussed with Russians sanctions or he didn't.
I would obviously have ZERO problems recalling something so sensitive in nature and I would OBVIOUSLY not be pleading guilty to lying to FBI (on multiple counts no less) if I simply forgot something.
The only reason it is not obvious to you is that like most politico nutters, you have a nasty habit of shutting down your common sense facilities if they lead to inconvenient conclusions.
Nobody asked Flynn for the finest detail. he either discussed with Russians sanctions or he didn't.
The discussion of which was not a crime.
Don't know how strong the Logan Act case would be, but there was a damn good reason Flynn was lying to FBI. People don't just take risks of going to jail for no reason.
He tried to obstruct the investigation and got caught by the balls - that's on him.
I think the issue is that the FBI squeezed him for dirt on Trump and Russia. And at the time the FBI did that, it had to know there was no actual evidence of a Trump-Putin conspiracy.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
And that IS NOT TO DAY THE FBI DIDN'T HAVE REASON TO INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION. Trump told his boychinkins to meet with a known Russian spy to get dirt of Hillary. And Trump publicly asked Putin to hack and publish Hillary's emails. No presidential candidate since Nixon has come close to that brazen misbehavior.
But I agree that in the end, all Flynn did was illegally represent foreign entities, and he did so while working for the US govt (US). He needed to give the money up, and take his legal hit.
That's a well crafted distortion of the truth. In the part of the investigation ("Crossfire Razor") you referred to the FBI was looking in to whether Flynn had acted as a Russian agent during the campaign. They concluded he had not.The FBI was going to close the case on Flynn in January of 2017. They concluded that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
That investigation was not part of the FBI's pursuit of Flynn on charges relating to his conversations with Kislyak. The conversations he lied to the FBI about and later confessed to. A crime for which he plead guilty.
However, none of these facts matter to occupants of Trumpworld. Where half-baked conspiracy theories, outright lies, and false accusations by the Liar-in-Chief are the currency of the land.
In December 2016, Mr. Flynn, in a phone call, successfully implored Russia to moderate retaliation against the United States for sanctions imposed because of the attack on U.S. elections. The conduct raised serious questions under the Logan Act, which prohibits private parties from conducting U.S. foreign policy.Thanks for the post. It summarizes the case well.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
It isn't an issue. Law enforcement sets traps all the time.
Crooked Mike confessed. And Donnie is obsessed.
Lock 'em both up. In fact - They''d make great cellies!
Here's an excellent read:
Opinion | Why Trump Is Obsessed With the Flynn Case (Published 2020)
It’s the perfect combination of distraction, fear-mongering and red meat for his base.www.nytimes.com
"The Michael Flynn scandal was one of the first to reveal the pattern of lawlessness that has characterized the Trump administration. In December 2016, Mr. Flynn, in a phone call, successfully implored Russia to moderate retaliation against the United States for sanctions imposed because of the attack on U.S. elections. The conduct raised serious questions under the Logan Act, which prohibits private parties from conducting U.S. foreign policy.
Mr. Flynn dissembled about the call, and his lies were made public, exposing him to potential blackmail by Russia. He then lied to the F.B.I. about it, was indicted and ultimately entered a guilty plea in December 2017 for those false statements. He is now seeking to withdraw that plea, resulting in the release of this new material."
False. It was not legal for them to engage in diplomacy.He was part of the fucking transition team and one of Trumps National Security Advisors, of course he is going to talk to Russian Diplomats.
Wrong. Try looking up the facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
"The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. "False. It was not legal for them to engage in diplomacy.He was part of the fucking transition team and one of Trumps National Security Advisors, of course he is going to talk to Russian Diplomats.
Wrong. Try looking up the facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
Right, he was a foreign agent for Turkey.the FBI was looking in to whether Flynn had acted as a Russian agent during the campaign.
They concluded he had not.
Correct. Which Michael Flynn was at the time. A civilian. Not a government employee.Private party?
False. It was not legal for them to engage in diplomacy.He was part of the fucking transition team and one of Trumps National Security Advisors, of course he is going to talk to Russian Diplomats.
Wrong. Try looking up the facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
"The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. "False. It was not legal for them to engage in diplomacy.He was part of the fucking transition team and one of Trumps National Security Advisors, of course he is going to talk to Russian Diplomats.
Wrong. Try looking up the facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
No, for lying about it to the FBI. Obviously. Come on todd, focus.There was a risk of him going to jail for that conversation?
They don't care about the validity of the reason, they just want what they want.Liberals act like this kind of stuff never happened in past administrations.
It's common practice with every administration. Only difference is Trump
The liberals need to research the Logan Act and why it was even on the books
Lie. You seem very confused on how things are deemed constitutional. Pick up a 9th grade government textbook, and search the index for "Supreme Court".Has been determined to be non Constitutional
*has not been prosecuted. But absolutely has been investigated.has not been used in 150 years
Actually, that's a fact. He did not become a government employee until inauguration day.and the idea that the incoming Nat Sec Adviser is a private citizen is fucking laughable.
So, when Flynn is denied his appeal to withdraw his guilty plea, who are you going to complain about then?They don't care about the validity of the reason, they just want what they want.Liberals act like this kind of stuff never happened in past administrations.
It's common practice with every administration. Only difference is Trump
The liberals need to research the Logan Act and why it was even on the books
And when this latest attack falls, flat like the rest, what are you gonna get gerbalboner raged about next?So, when Flynn is denied his appeal to withdraw his guilty plea, who are you going to complain about then?They don't care about the validity of the reason, they just want what they want.Liberals act like this kind of stuff never happened in past administrations.
It's common practice with every administration. Only difference is Trump
The liberals need to research the Logan Act and why it was even on the books
Correct. Which Michael Flynn was at the time. A civilian. Not a government employee.Private party?
No, for lying about it to the FBI. Obviously. Come on todd, focus.There was a risk of him going to jail for that conversation?
Latest attack...by whom? Flynn's lawyers? Wha? I literally just said it would fall flat. You complain about so much crap that you don't even remember what you are complaining about. You're not making sense.And when this latest attack falls, flat like the rest
