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Good post.Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government---its known at "Entrapment" and it is a bar, a legal defense, to punishment for the crime.
But that is just the start of the story as to General Flynn.
I don't feel like explaining it all---it's a long story, but it involved KGB-like pressure--psychological torture---breaking him financially, and threatening to do the same to his son to get him to plead to a "process crime" which it is not clear he even committed.
People do plead to crimes they didn't commit, to avoid other hassles which are worse. The most basic example is paying a traffic ticket when you don't think you did anything wrong---to avoid the hassle and cost of fighting it.
It was of course much worse for Flynn.
Out of spite, Obama operatives investigated him for being a possible Russian Agent---a 30 year combat veteran--found nothing---and decided to close the case--until Comey and McCabe and Strzok said in effect: "no keep it open perhaps we can "entrap" him into a lie if we interview him even though we we know he has committed no crime.
So, they sprung a trap and interviewed him without him even knowing he was involved in an investigation---nefarious as it was. The people who did it did not find evidence of lying, and they didn't charge him----but later on---Mueller and his Gestapo---needing a scapegoat to keep their sham investigation in the news---did pursue him; and his son---and reduced him to plead to relieve the psychological and financial torture.
The issue is now, not whether Flynn, who was suspected of no crime, lied to the FBI when they performed a shame interview---the issue is much larger than Flynn--it is the behavior of our DOJ/FBI---which very much resembles the old Soviet KGB---at least the way it was operated under Obama and his apparachits.
Forget Flynn. What has been exposed should terrify every American---except you Bolsheviks, of course.
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So, you are going to continue to lie about it.That's a well crafted distortion of the truth. In the part of the investigation ("Crossfire Razor") you referred to the FBI was looking in to whether Flynn had acted as a Russian agent during the campaign. They concluded he had not.The FBI was going to close the case on Flynn in January of 2017. They concluded that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
That investigation was not part of the FBI's pursuit of Flynn on charges relating to his conversations with Kislyak. The conversations he lied to the FBI about and later confessed to. A crime for which he plead guilty.
However, none of these facts matter to occupants of Trumpworld. Where half-baked conspiracy theories, outright lies, and false accusations by the Liar-in-Chief abound.
What, specifically, about what I wrote do you dispute?So, you are going to continue to lie about it.
Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
What a douchebag.It isn't an issue. Law enforcement sets traps all the time.
Crooked Mike confessed. And Donnie is obsessed.
Lock 'em both up, in fact - They''d make excellent cellies!
Here's an excellent read:
Opinion | Why Trump Is Obsessed With the Flynn Case (Published 2020)
It’s the perfect combination of distraction, fear-mongering and red meat for his base.www.nytimes.com
Translation;So, you are going to continue to lie about it.
I suggest you go find the link to the real documentation and stop listening to your handlers.
What, specifically, about what I wrote do you dispute?So, you are going to continue to lie about it.
Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government---its known at "Entrapment" and it is a bar, a legal defense, to punishment for the crime.
But that is just the start of the story as to General Flynn.
I don't feel like explaining it all---it's a long story, but it involved KGB-like pressure--psychological torture---breaking him financially, and threatening to do the same to his son to get him to plead to a "process crime" which it is not clear he even committed.
People do plead to crimes they didn't commit, to avoid other hassles which are worse. The most basic example is paying a traffic ticket when you don't think you did anything wrong---to avoid the hassle and cost of fighting it.
It was of course much worse for Flynn.
Out of spite, Obama operatives investigated him for being a possible Russian Agent---a 30 year combat veteran--found nothing---and decided to close the case--until Comey and McCabe and Strzok said in effect: "no keep it open perhaps we can "entrap" him into a lie if we interview him even though we we know he has committed no crime.
So, they sprung a trap and interviewed him without him even knowing he was involved in an investigation---nefarious as it was. The people who did it did not find evidence of lying, and they didn't charge him----but later on---Mueller and his Gestapo---needing a scapegoat to keep their sham investigation in the news---did pursue him; and his son---and reduced him to plead to relieve the psychological and financial torture.
The issue is now, not whether Flynn, who was suspected of no crime, lied to the FBI when they performed a shame interview---the issue is much larger than Flynn--it is the behavior of our DOJ/FBI---which very much resembles the old Soviet KGB---at least the way it was operated under Obama and his apparachits.
Forget Flynn. What has been exposed should terrify every American---except you Bolsheviks, of course.
Thanks for the post. It summarizes the case well.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
It isn't an issue. Law enforcement sets traps all the time.
Crooked Mike confessed. And Donnie is obsessed.
Lock 'em both up. In fact - They''d make great cellies!
Here's an excellent read:
Opinion | Why Trump Is Obsessed With the Flynn Case (Published 2020)
It’s the perfect combination of distraction, fear-mongering and red meat for his base.
I challenge you to be able to exactly recall, to the finest detail, a conversation you had weeks ago.
Nobody asked Flynn for the finest detail. he either discussed with Russians sanctions or he didn't.
I would obviously have ZERO problems recalling something so sensitive in nature and I would OBVIOUSLY not be pleading guilty to lying to FBI (on multiple counts no less) if I simply forgot something.
The only reason it is not obvious to you is that like most politico nutters, you have a nasty habit of shutting down your common sense facilities if they lead to inconvenient conclusions.
Yes, they did, he misstated a fact. That's all. You are either willfully ignorant of the case, or simply don't care.
Regardless of your bullshit opinion, Flynn is going to be exonerated because he committed no crime.
The fbi however, did.
No he will be exonerated because Tramp told Barr to exert pressure.
According to you trampers its ok to lie to the FBI and its ok to ignore the house investigations,
and its ok to lie, because tramp does it all the time.
You tramper's are so low.
Can I lie to the FBI. You guys have absolutely no morals.
For the sake of argument, lets say he lied.
Why was Flynn not convicted of anything other than lying? Just wondering, since Flynn has been used by the left as a justification for the Mueller investigation. Was the the entire investigation nothing more than an attempt to get a bunch of process crimes out of Trump associates? Sure does seem that way to the logical mind.
Because he took a guilty plea on straight forward perjury charges instead of a rare Logan Act charge. Prosecutors like to keep their case as clear as possible while getting the just outcome, probably even more so for high profile, politically sensitive cases.
Your assertion that Flynn had ANYTHING to do with justification for investigation, which began in 2016 is pure ignorance. It was a tangent episode to operation Hurricane until Trump pressured Comey to "let Flynn go" and eventually fired him, which resulted in Mueller being assigned.
That was before all of this information / internal docs (as recent as yesterday) began being unsealed...The evidence that already exists and that continues to come out speaks for itself:When several FBI Agents testify/ state they do not believe Flynn was lying, and the only one to say he did was/is the FBI's #1 Counter-Intel Expert (such a high level FBI leadership position being involved in an interview usually done by Field Agents, another 'breach of standard protocol / from the norm the IG pointed out) who has been proven to have lied numerous times, helped the NSA and CIA Directors author the ICA and ICR - which they said they knew nothing about (a LIE)and considering all of the other criminal evidence against the FBI...according to the retired FBI Investigative expert in the article posted, this was a planned illegal set-up that required the FBI to bypass protocol so as not to alert the WY or WH legal Counsel to ensure Flynn was isolated and without legal Counsel. This was a set-up. Comey even admitted it (read the article).Yes seriously, Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying.
"Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying."
That doesn't mean he WAS lying, either...and every one of the FBI Agents involved....except co-conspiring Strzok stated they did not believe Flynn lied.
That’s right, it doesn’t.
THE FACTS OF WHAT HE SAID TO VP AND FBI BRAZENLY CONTRADICTING HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSSIANS DOES.
The Obama administration initiated an illegitimate investigation into Trump and his team based on no legal, proper, legitimate justification for doing so.
Moron, Trump's DOJ IG report has already concluded this statement to be full of shit.
In a highly anticipated report released Monday, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz determined that the FBI had adequate cause in July 2016 to justify opening an investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia and did not find hard evidence of political bias in that decision, undermining allegations by President Trump and his allies that the bureau acted improperly in launching the probe.
Inspector General Finds FBI Probe into Trump Campaign Was Justified, But Not Perfect
Inspector General Michael Horowitz found the FBI had adequate cause to open its probe into links between the Trump campaign and Russiatime.com
What is it with you and total disregard for well-known facts?
Nothing in these 2017 documents deals with why 2016 investigation was initiated.
As usual, you grossly misunderstand what you mouth off about.
Spin it however you like. Mounting evidence shows the case against Flynn is looking very bogus indeed.That was before all of this information / internal docs (as recent as yesterday) began being unsealed...The evidence that already exists and that continues to come out speaks for itself:When several FBI Agents testify/ state they do not believe Flynn was lying, and the only one to say he did was/is the FBI's #1 Counter-Intel Expert (such a high level FBI leadership position being involved in an interview usually done by Field Agents, another 'breach of standard protocol / from the norm the IG pointed out) who has been proven to have lied numerous times, helped the NSA and CIA Directors author the ICA and ICR - which they said they knew nothing about (a LIE)and considering all of the other criminal evidence against the FBI...according to the retired FBI Investigative expert in the article posted, this was a planned illegal set-up that required the FBI to bypass protocol so as not to alert the WY or WH legal Counsel to ensure Flynn was isolated and without legal Counsel. This was a set-up. Comey even admitted it (read the article).Yes seriously, Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying.
"Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying."
That doesn't mean he WAS lying, either...and every one of the FBI Agents involved....except co-conspiring Strzok stated they did not believe Flynn lied.
That’s right, it doesn’t.
THE FACTS OF WHAT HE SAID TO VP AND FBI BRAZENLY CONTRADICTING HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSSIANS DOES.
The Obama administration initiated an illegitimate investigation into Trump and his team based on no legal, proper, legitimate justification for doing so.
Moron, Trump's DOJ IG report has already concluded this statement to be full of shit.
In a highly anticipated report released Monday, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz determined that the FBI had adequate cause in July 2016 to justify opening an investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia and did not find hard evidence of political bias in that decision, undermining allegations by President Trump and his allies that the bureau acted improperly in launching the probe.
Inspector General Finds FBI Probe into Trump Campaign Was Justified, But Not Perfect
Inspector General Michael Horowitz found the FBI had adequate cause to open its probe into links between the Trump campaign and Russia
What is it with you and total disregard for well-known facts?
Nothing in these 2017 documents deals with why 2016 investigation was initiated.
As usual, you grossly misunderstand what you mouth off about.
Let's see you say that after Flynn gets convicted.
I will be waiting for you to accept you were wrong.
Me too, but god damn it, I keep being right.
/----/ Try listening to the news once in a while.What were they going after Flynn's son for? Not sure if I ever heard what that part was about.Because that isn't what happened.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
The FBI was going to close the case on Flynn in January of 2017. They concluded that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
Then Comey and Struck decided to lay an entrapment sting on him. They even advised him that he needed no lawyer. They withheld exculpatory evidence from him and his lawyers.
Flynn confessed to lying in order to spare his son from the threats made to investigate him unless he did. Flynn did not confess because he was guilty of anything.
What isn't controversial about it.
We're the FBI - tell us what we want to hear, confess to whatever crime we say OR we will go after your son, and destroy him like we did you.
Gen. Flynn Signed Guilty Plea After Mueller Threatened His Family, Son; Thug Tactics Coerced Plea Deal – True Pundit
Gen. Michael Flynn didn’t cut a deal with U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller because he was necessarily guilty of lying to the FBI, or any crimes, according to sources close to the retired general. Flynn was muscled and coerced into a plea deal, several sources said. Flynn plead guilty after...truepundit.com
"Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government-"What, specifically, about what I wrote do you dispute?So, you are going to continue to lie about it.
Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government---its known at "Entrapment" and it is a bar, a legal defense, to punishment for the crime.
But that is just the start of the story as to General Flynn.
I don't feel like explaining it all---it's a long story, but it involved KGB-like pressure--psychological torture---breaking him financially, and threatening to do the same to his son to get him to plead to a "process crime" which it is not clear he even committed.
People do plead to crimes they didn't commit, to avoid other hassles which are worse. The most basic example is paying a traffic ticket when you don't think you did anything wrong---to avoid the hassle and cost of fighting it.
It was of course much worse for Flynn.
Out of spite, Obama operatives investigated him for being a possible Russian Agent---a 30 year combat veteran--found nothing---and decided to close the case--until Comey and McCabe and Strzok said in effect: "no keep it open perhaps we can "entrap" him into a lie if we interview him even though we we know he has committed no crime.
So, they sprung a trap and interviewed him without him even knowing he was involved in an investigation---nefarious as it was. The people who did it did not find evidence of lying, and they didn't charge him----but later on---Mueller and his Gestapo---needing a scapegoat to keep their sham investigation in the news---did pursue him; and his son---and reduced him to plead to relieve the psychological and financial torture.
The issue is now, not whether Flynn, who was suspected of no crime, lied to the FBI when they performed a shame interview---the issue is much larger than Flynn--it is the behavior of our DOJ/FBI---which very much resembles the old Soviet KGB---at least the way it was operated under Obama and his apparachits.
Forget Flynn. What has been exposed should terrify every American---except you Bolsheviks, of course.
oh golly.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
The Logan Act which hadn’t been used since almost our beginning.Why am I not surprised given the people involved. All I heard was the FBI would go after Flynn's son, no details as to potential charges./----/ Try listening to the news once in a while.What were they going after Flynn's son for? Not sure if I ever heard what that part was about.Because that isn't what happened.Can somebody explain what’s controversial here? Flynn got fired by Trump for lying about contacts with Russians. The FBI caught him lying to them which is a crime. Nobody forced him to lie. Flynn confessed to the crime.
Why is this an issue?
The FBI was going to close the case on Flynn in January of 2017. They concluded that there was nothing wrong with what he did.
Then Comey and Struck decided to lay an entrapment sting on him. They even advised him that he needed no lawyer. They withheld exculpatory evidence from him and his lawyers.
Flynn confessed to lying in order to spare his son from the threats made to investigate him unless he did. Flynn did not confess because he was guilty of anything.
What isn't controversial about it.
We're the FBI - tell us what we want to hear, confess to whatever crime we say OR we will go after your son, and destroy him like we did you.
Gen. Flynn Signed Guilty Plea After Mueller Threatened His Family, Son; Thug Tactics Coerced Plea Deal – True Pundit
Gen. Michael Flynn didn’t cut a deal with U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller because he was necessarily guilty of lying to the FBI, or any crimes, according to sources close to the retired general. Flynn was muscled and coerced into a plea deal, several sources said. Flynn plead guilty after...
______Good post.Because, when person commits a crime he would have not otherwise thought to commit because of the nefarious activities of the Government---its known at "Entrapment" and it is a bar, a legal defense, to punishment for the crime.
But that is just the start of the story as to General Flynn.
I don't feel like explaining it all---it's a long story, but it involved KGB-like pressure--psychological torture---breaking him financially, and threatening to do the same to his son to get him to plead to a "process crime" which it is not clear he even committed.
People do plead to crimes they didn't commit, to avoid other hassles which are worse. The most basic example is paying a traffic ticket when you don't think you did anything wrong---to avoid the hassle and cost of fighting it.
It was of course much worse for Flynn.
Out of spite, Obama operatives investigated him for being a possible Russian Agent---a 30 year combat veteran--found nothing---and decided to close the case--until Comey and McCabe and Strzok said in effect: "no keep it open perhaps we can "entrap" him into a lie if we interview him even though we we know he has committed no crime.
So, they sprung a trap and interviewed him without him even knowing he was involved in an investigation---nefarious as it was. The people who did it did not find evidence of lying, and they didn't charge him----but later on---Mueller and his Gestapo---needing a scapegoat to keep their sham investigation in the news---did pursue him; and his son---and reduced him to plead to relieve the psychological and financial torture.
The issue is now, not whether Flynn, who was suspected of no crime, lied to the FBI when they performed a shame interview---the issue is much larger than Flynn--it is the behavior of our DOJ/FBI---which very much resembles the old Soviet KGB---at least the way it was operated under Obama and his apparachits.
Forget Flynn. What has been exposed should terrify every American---except you Bolsheviks, of course.
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This was the second thread I started on USMB just to test the waters.
How NSA tracks you and why it's illegal.
August 2017 William "Bill" Binney, former NSA technical director on how NSA track you.
Have you considered a career as a writer of fiction?Once again, what's done in the dark is coming to the light.
The FBI is being exposed as a corrupt entity of the government at the highest level.
Handwritten notes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that had been inappropriately withheld from Flynn’s defense team for years show that a key goal of the agents investigating Flynn was “to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired.”
TPM, huh?Have you considered a career as a writer of fiction?Once again, what's done in the dark is coming to the light.
The FBI is being exposed as a corrupt entity of the government at the highest level.
Handwritten notes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that had been inappropriately withheld from Flynn’s defense team for years show that a key goal of the agents investigating Flynn was “to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired.”
Why The Latest Flynn Entrapment Claims Are As Bogus As The Last Ones
The pandemic has changed many things, but it has not changed Michael Flynn's habit of overhyping claims of FBI entrapment and prosecutorial misconduct. In recent days, Flynn's lawyers and the judge…talkingpointsmemo.com
'Nuff said, run along and tell Putin you've been outted, comrade.
Spin it however you like. Mounting evidence shows the case against Flynn is looking very bogus indeed.That was before all of this information / internal docs (as recent as yesterday) began being unsealed...The evidence that already exists and that continues to come out speaks for itself:When several FBI Agents testify/ state they do not believe Flynn was lying, and the only one to say he did was/is the FBI's #1 Counter-Intel Expert (such a high level FBI leadership position being involved in an interview usually done by Field Agents, another 'breach of standard protocol / from the norm the IG pointed out) who has been proven to have lied numerous times, helped the NSA and CIA Directors author the ICA and ICR - which they said they knew nothing about (a LIE)and considering all of the other criminal evidence against the FBI...according to the retired FBI Investigative expert in the article posted, this was a planned illegal set-up that required the FBI to bypass protocol so as not to alert the WY or WH legal Counsel to ensure Flynn was isolated and without legal Counsel. This was a set-up. Comey even admitted it (read the article).Yes seriously, Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying.
"Flynn didn't give off the body language, hence the statement about not detecting him lying during the interview. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't actually lying."
That doesn't mean he WAS lying, either...and every one of the FBI Agents involved....except co-conspiring Strzok stated they did not believe Flynn lied.
That’s right, it doesn’t.
THE FACTS OF WHAT HE SAID TO VP AND FBI BRAZENLY CONTRADICTING HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSSIANS DOES.
The Obama administration initiated an illegitimate investigation into Trump and his team based on no legal, proper, legitimate justification for doing so.
Moron, Trump's DOJ IG report has already concluded this statement to be full of shit.
In a highly anticipated report released Monday, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz determined that the FBI had adequate cause in July 2016 to justify opening an investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia and did not find hard evidence of political bias in that decision, undermining allegations by President Trump and his allies that the bureau acted improperly in launching the probe.
Inspector General Finds FBI Probe into Trump Campaign Was Justified, But Not Perfect
Inspector General Michael Horowitz found the FBI had adequate cause to open its probe into links between the Trump campaign and Russia
What is it with you and total disregard for well-known facts?
Nothing in these 2017 documents deals with why 2016 investigation was initiated.
As usual, you grossly misunderstand what you mouth off about.
Let's see you say that after Flynn gets convicted.
I will be waiting for you to accept you were wrong.
Me too, but god damn it, I keep being right.
No, you have merely been the beneficiary of illegal actions on the part of a government you support because you are ultimately an authoritarian. Funny that you accuse Trump of what you actually are.
I have continuously posted links, articles, testimony, evidence, laws, etc.. and all I have gotten back from snowflakes are rants and uneducated, debunked opinion.Look moron, if you have an actual refute to what I said then directly post, I'm not interested in your tangent diarrheas of the mouth.
I can lead a jackass to water, but I can't make you drink / open your eyes.
Flynn's case was based on his discussion of sanctions with the Russians (that's on Flynn) and then lying about it (again, that's on Flynn). He also had dealings with Turkey that he lied about (again, that's on him). He then pled guilty to multiple counts of perjury (that's again on Flynn)
Pleadings that FBI somehow tricked him into this behavior because they were after Trump are laughable and nothing you said refutes that. Nobody made Flynn lie his ass off to obstruct investigations but Flynn himself.
