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"Sue the mall and that rent a cop...."
The mall is open to the public and thus are required to allow freedom of speech and freedom of expression... if they want to be a private mall they can close their doors and require membership to enter... but as long as the American public can enter they must follow the rules of the constitution... same argument for men's clubs and women from decades ago...On what basis, or offense?
Remember poster Rambunctious.....this happened on private property. There is no 1st Amendment aspect here....not for 'free speech', not for 'religion'.
It is private property and the management makes and enforce their own rules.
WankerDon't worry, we all have useless things to worry about. A problem you might have, I'm a Brit and you're an American, so my humour/sarcasm will fly over your head at 33,000 feet.
On what basis, or offense?
Remember poster Rambunctious.....this happened on private property. There is no 1st Amendment aspect here....not for 'free speech', not for 'religion'.
It is private property and the management makes and enforce their own rules.
--------------------------------------------The mall is open to the public and thus are required to allow freedom of speech and freedom of expression... if they want to be a private mall they can close their doors and require membership to enter... but as long as the American public can enter they must follow the rules of the constitution...
He doesn't believe in freedom.No and sorry mods, I didn't know a topic like this already existed.
Why? What about freedom of speech?
He doesn't believe in freedom.
Private property open to the public... as long as no laws for decency are broken they have to allow that shirt... period... they do not have the right to disobey the 1st amendment just because its private property.... the mall is home to many private stores... some of which may be fine with his shirt and want to sell him something... the rent a cop over stepped here bigtime....--------------------------------------------
Not quite.
First, it is private property.....so 1st Amendment protections to not broadly apply as they would for government actors. However, there is a line of cases (I ain't lawyer) that does suggest some allowance for certain activities if....if.....a designated space within the mall is used for public gatherings. Walkways between stores or entryways....are not such spaces.
The bottom line ---- this guy was a jerk. He attempted to do a Christianist version of Hare Krishna-style proselytizing which made customers of this private enterprise uncomfortable. He was warned away from doing it.
But he came back with an in-your-face message that not only preached his particular personal Christianist message.....but then dissed other religions. Kick the bum out.
Sure public accommodation for a christian Taliban, but not a cake for a gay person, eh.The mall is open to the public and thus are required to allow freedom of speech and freedom of expression... if they want to be a private mall they can close their doors and require membership to enter... but as long as the American public can enter they must follow the rules of the constitution... same argument for men's clubs and women from decades ago...
I was asked to leave a bar while I was wearing a MAGA hat... I got my lawyer to write them... they sent me an apology letter and notified me that the bartender had been fired....--------------------------------------------
Not quite.
First, it is private property.....so 1st Amendment protections to not broadly apply as they would for government actors. However, there is a line of cases (I ain't lawyer) that does suggest some allowance for certain activities if....if.....a designated space within the mall is used for public gatherings. Walkways between stores or entryways....are not such spaces.
The bottom line ---- this guy was a jerk. He attempted to do a Christianist version of Hare Krishna-style proselytizing which made customers of this private enterprise uncomfortable. He was warned away from doing it.
But he came back with an in-your-face message that not only preached his particular personal Christianist message.....but then dissed other religions. Kick the bum out.
Making a cake is very different than outlawing a t shirt....Sure public accommodation for a christian Taliban, but not a cake for a gay person, eh.
If I own the property, I make the rules. I could kick just about anyone out I please. You're too noisy/ugly. Get the fuck out of my establishment. Sue away.Private property open to the public... as long as no laws for decency are broken they have to allow that shirt... period... they do not have the right to disobey the 1st amendment just because its private property.... the mall is home to many private stores... some of which may be fine with his shirt and want to sell him something... the rent a cop over stepped here bigtime....
--------------------------------"But bake that cake... you Fckn idiot"
Gay people don't get asked to remove their gay pride shirts....Sure public accommodation for a christian Taliban, but not a cake for a gay person, eh.
Wrong... not if you open your doors to the public... that changes the game... like I said that mall can go private if they want to tell people what to say... and what to wear...If I own the property, I make the rules. I could kick just about anyone out I please. You're too noisy/ugly. Get the fuck out of my establishment. Sue away.
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"you Fckn idiot"
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Lass, is this the right venue for you?
Should you be here?
I mean by that, your incipient anger is developing into obscene tantrums.
That's not a good look, gurlfriend.
Why be low class?
Why telegraph that downscale status with vulgar language?
Why not attempt to control ones' emotions and avoid becoming frantic and hysterical?
Why play into the stereotype that so sadly is levied upon females?
You can do better than that, Lass.
I am mildly sure of that.
Same argument was made for mens clubs and allowing women... its not private if you open up to the public... as long as no law is being broken they must allow that shirt...If I own the property, I make the rules. I could kick just about anyone out I please. You're too noisy/ugly. Get the fuck out of my establishment. Sue away.
Fake newsI was asked to leave a bar while I was wearing a MAGA hat... I got my lawyer to write them... they sent me an apology letter and notified me that the bartender had been fired....
