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That reply to her question is NO better than had you replied with "I like cake."
You've simply given up trying.
It's not being 'born' that makes one human, dear. Get over that idea and you'll be okay.
It's not being 'born' that makes one human, dear. Get over that idea and you'll be okay.
Scientifically it is a fetus not a human baby. They are two different terms. One of the problems is when does a fetus become a baby? Peoples' opinions differ. And without a doubt, the vast majority of pro-lifers hold their opinions due to their religious belief - this board being but a prime example.
I agree that they are different terms. However, they describe the same living organism. "Fetus," "newborn," "teenager," "senior citizen"... these terms all apply to the SAME living organism, in different stages of development.
By the way, you should stick tothe "fetus is living" argument and forget the whole "human" argument. Women don't gestate cats, so you're really getting WAY off on this one.
I agree that they are different terms. However, they describe the same living organism. "Fetus," "newborn," "teenager," "senior citizen"... these terms all apply to the SAME living organism, in different stages of development.
Oh, good, we're agreed that it's ALIVE. I have heard people argue that it isn't.
Oh, good, we're agreed that it's ALIVE. I have heard people argue that it isn't.
You really think so? Hmmm. That's interesting because it goes to the heart of the entire abortion debate. Until a baby is born there is no guarantee that it will be.
From the original post, had the murder been committed, should there be a conviction of 1 or 2 murders?
Scott Peterson was convicted of two, no? It's a hard question...What if she was six weeks gone but DIDN'T know she was pregnant, but an autopsy found she was?
I think you'll find where we disagree is whether it is a human. I think not. You probably do. My opinion is more based on nature, yours is probably based on nature and religion. I don't believe in souls, you probably do. having said all this, any woman who comes to me pregnant and asks me what to do, I'd tell her to have the kid. If she can't afford to keep the child, give it up for adoption. Then again, if she had an abortion, it wouldn't affect my relationship with her, and I wouldn't think any less of her.
Being born is just a change of location. It is still the SAME LIVING organism that is was inside the womb.
I am sorry to hear about your coworker. You can tell her I had four healthy births. My first baby was a near tragedy--- for both me and her. Everything turned out just fine. Many times, things DO work out.
Does one become a "person" when one moves from Montana to Wisconsin? Birth is little more than a change of location.No, they don't. You can't have a "newborn" without it being born, and there is no way to get from one stage to the next without that initial birth taking place.
I am not arguing about when a soul enters a body. You and Jillian are the ones who keep throwing that out there. I am arguing about when a human organism should have the legal status of "personhood" bestowed upon it. Conception is the most nonarbitrary point at which this legal status could be given.Give it up Nienna. Your only valid argument is "when does a human soul enter a body"? You believe it happens at conception. You are more than entitled to believe that. But you are not entitled to tell me what I'm supposed to believe.
The problem with people like you is that you see people like me, who support abortion rights, as advocating abortion*. Most people don't advocate abortion. They just want to keep it safe and legal, and they want people like you to mind your own business about it.
(*I actually do advocate abortion because I don't know why anyone would want kids on purpose, but that's just me. I hate kids. I think anyone who has kids on purpose is nuts.)
And there lies the rub....a fetus is not considerd by nature to be ready to be born into the human world, so therefore is it to be considered in the same breath as a newborn? Some say yes, others no.
No----It's NOT totally untrue. Women HAVE had abortions due to outside pressure and regret until this day. Reproductive choice is all about changing the natural process of life so women can somehow feel more "equal" to men.
Religion and science have only served to confuse the real issue.