Missourian
Diamond Member
The government fucked up at Ruby Ridge. The government fucked up at Waco.
That doesn't equate to a grand conspiracy. The Weavers and the Branch Dividians screwed up too. When you start shooting at law enforcement, it's bound to end badly.
What is going to be the cover for this guys when it all goes down? I am sure the government will be blamed for Dyer's untimely demise (if that's the way it goes) and the ancillary facts: 1.) He was a fugitive 2.) He was found to be in possession of high powered and illegal weapons. 3.) He stated that if the Sheriff's came to his house, there would be a shootout and 4.) His girlfriend incinerated his house to destroy evidence.
Will all be ignored.
After all, when you hate the government anyways, no use in acting like ending isn't already written.
Waco was a mess...but not like Ruby Ridge.
The Davidians had every opportunity to surrender and didn't.
Mistakes were made by the government, but like you said...bad things happen when you shoot LEOs.
Ruby Ridge was a whole different animal.
Everything the government did was wrong.
From the initial investigation provoked by a disgruntled neighbor to issuing a warrant for failure to appear after sending Weaver a letter with the wrong date to killing his son without identifying themselves.
It wasn't a mistake, it was criminal.
But...and here is where it bears on our discussion here.
I don't blame the whole government for one agent or group of agents FUBAR.
Just like this one guy being charged with a serious crime (that he stood trial for once and could convince a jury he was innocent) decided to take flight has zero bearing on Oathtakers as a group.
Your point on Ruby Ridge is sensible.
I agree this guy might not be a reflection of all oathkeepers or even a majority, but he is a reflection of a group of disenfranchised Americans who are becoming more and more prone to violence. That's cause for alarm.
BTW, he "hung" his last jury on the molestation case. That doesn't equate to "innocence". It equates to another trial.
The trial he failed to appear at.
If he beat the rap the first time, he would be vindicated now.
I don't claim to know the details behind the accusations of molestation. Maybe it was a disgruntled ex-wife or maybe it's true. He deserves his day in court. No it looks like he will go down in a blaze of glory.
And for what? To be a matyr for people who hate the federal government, which had nothing to do with his original arrest.
Right...that should have said "couldn't" as in "couldn't convince the jury he was innocent." during the first trial.
I'm with you, but I might take flight if I was innocent but couldn't convice a jury.
The ex-wife is the key witness for the prosecution. That's not a good sign IMO.
But really, my speculation is neither here nor there.
Whether he is innocent or guilty really isn't the point either.
Using one guy to paint an entire group is not kosher IMO.
I'm not an Oathkeeper...and I don't know any Oathkeepers...but if their goal is as stated, to refuse any order that violates the Constitution...that doesn't sound nuts to me.
I'm sure you received the same training I did...you know some American soldiers have gone off the reservation and many times the troops under their authority followed them when they knew they had a duty to refuse those orders.
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