Margaret Thatcher: A Legacy of Freedom

[Truthmatters]

Let's not forget, it was her own Conservative party that turned on her at the end.

did they label her a rino?

 

[BreezeWood]

a Dynamic politician.

polarizing people Thatcher & Reagan do as much harm as good, neither outweighing the other.

 

[Truthmatters]

bad policy is bad policy

 

[there4eyeM]

I've yet to meet a Brit who likes her.

 

[Truthmatters]

You dont know many wealthy brits

 

[Misty]

You dont know many wealthy brits

That being said, margaret thatcher hasn't been prime minister in 22 years. And how many Brits do you know? None.

"Mr Cameron said Baroness Thatcher had "succeeded against all the odds" as the country's first female leader, and added that he believes "she'll go down as the greatest British peacetime prime minister".


Video: David Cameron pays tribute to Baroness Thatcher - Telegraph

 

[CrusaderFrank]

American Progressive hate her for the same reasons they hate Reagan, she beat their home team

 

[PoliticalChic]

American Progressive hate her for the same reasons they hate Reagan, she beat their home team

Hate is the right word.

"Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks"
One of the most caustic rememberances came from Morrissey, who famously asked "When will you die?" on the not-at-all subtle Viva Hate track "Margaret on the Guillotine."
Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks | SPIN | Newswire

I can't imagine folks on the Right wishing for the death of their political adversaries....

The 'caring' Left is viscous.

Morrissey wrote today to celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death.

And he sang "When will you die..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsq3H_6XuFA]Morrissey - Margaret on the Guillotine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Toro]

John O’Sullivan, Executive Editor, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, gave a speech May 9, 2008 at Hillsdale College.

The following is based on that speech:

1. “Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.” These words of Margaret Thatcher could be applied to her as well. She matched Reagan’s military buildup with a strengthening of Britain’s defense forces. She was the strongest voice in Western Europe protesting against Soviet-ordered martial law against Solidarity in Poland. Thatcher took office in May, 1979, and Reagan in January, 1981, and they vanquished communism in less than a decade.

2. Thatcher fought a war to evict Argentina from the Falklands, and thereby compelled the Soviets to accept that the West would fight to defend itself. She supplied Blowpipe missiles to the Afghan resistance giving Reagan the justification to insist that American intelligence agencies supply them with the more effective Stinger missiles.

3. She prevented the European Union from accepting the legitimacy of Soviet incorporation of the Baltic countries inside its multi-national Gulag. She rallied the Europeans to ensure the installation of US missiles in Western Europe in 1984 to match the Soviet planting of SS-20s in the Soviet satellites. This was a decisive defeat for the Soviet Union in the Cold War, as they lost the hope of being able to employ nuclear blackmail against NATO, and of splitting the Atlantic alliance. The collapse of communism occurred only a few years later.




4. Thatcher, in fact, may well be regarded by history as more important than Reagan, in respect to economic reform. This is because recovery of the British economy in the 1980’s started at a lower point, and occurred in a more left-wing country: while Jimmy Carter was fairly effective at ruining an economy, but was no match for 50 years of socialism and Labour government. Thatcher successfully battled not only Labour MP’s, and timid Tories, but labor unions, as in the ’84-’85 miners’ strike. These domestic victories weakened the extreme left everywhere. Consider:

a. Loss-making industries were closed down or reduced in size. Manufacturing industries shed labor, often while increasing output, restructuring to meet foreign competition.

b. Privatization transformed inefficient state-owned industries into dynamic private sector enterprises.

c. Like Reagan’s revived US economy, Thatcher’s British economy was characterized by change, profitability, growth, better allocation of resources, and an entirely new economy based on the information revolution.

d. Thatcher championed capital ownership, “Labour believed in turning workers against owners; we believe in turning workers into owners.” Two-thirds of Britain’s state-owned industries were sold to the private sector, resulting in more efficient industries and wider capital ownership. Between 1979 and 1989, the proportion of the British public owning shares rose from seven percent to fully one-quarter.

e. Here is Thatcher’s Finance Minister, Nigel Lawson, pointing out some of the signs of a growing enterprise culture in Britain: “…an average increase of 500 new firms per week—after deducting closures. There was a rise from little more than one million to over three million in the number of self-employed. The UK venture capitalist industry, which scarcely existed when we first took office, had by 1985 become twice as large as its counterparts in the rest of the European Community taken together.”






5. Thatcher supported the “vigorous virtues,” such qualities as self-reliance, diligence, thrift, trustworthiness, and initiative that enable someone who exhibits them to live and work independently in society. Though they are not the only virtues—compassion might be called one of the “softer virtues”—they are essential to the success of a free economy and a civil society, both of which rely on dispersed initiative and self-reliant citizens.

a. The world economy benefitted form Thatcherism and Reaganism, in that they had provided the world with successful models of free and deregulated economies. Tax cuts were America’s principal intellectual export; privatization was Britain’s. Of the two, privatization was the more important globally, since the Third World and post-communist economies were encumbered with a vast number of inefficient state industries.

b. In the Politburo archives can be found this unwitting tribute to Lady Thatcher in a 1986 conversation between Gorbachev and Alexander Natta, the General Secretary of the Italian Communist party:

Natta: At the same time we, the communists, having either overestimated or underestimated the functions of the “welfare state,” kept defending situations which, as it became clear only now, we should not have defended. As a result, a bureaucratic apparatus, which serves itself, has swelled. It is interesting that a certain similarity with your situation, which you call stagnation, can be seen here.

Gorbachev: “Parkinson’s law” works everywhere. . . .

Natta: Any bureaucratization encourages the apparatus to protect its own interests and to forget about the citizens’ interests. I suppose that is exactly why the Right’s demands of re-privatisation are falling on a fertile ground in Western public opinion.


c. Once the command economies of the Soviet Bloc collapsed in 1989, revealing the extraordinary bankruptcy of state planning, it was the Thatcher model that the new democracies mainly sought to emulate. In 1939 Finland and its southern neighbor Estonia were identical in many ways. Then, in 1940, the USSR occupied Estonia, and it remained under communist rule for 50 years. Here are the words of Mart Laar, Estonia’s former prime minister, stating what communism did to his country:

“Look at what happened in this context during these fifty years and then you can understand how terrible the communist system really is. And it’s not only in the economy. This is in all fields of life—the social structure, cultural standards, education, healthcare, or whatever. When you compare those two countries, which were exactly the same in 1939[,] in 1989, then you will find what communism really means, and how bad it is. Our economy, our nature, and our environment was [sic] destroyed.”

The conclusion:
their economic and social differences grew so large that no informed person could honestly dispute the pernicious effect that communist rule had on occupied Estonia.
The Filter^: Finland and Estonia
In 1991 Estonia became capitalist, and experienced massive economic growth. They discovered the errors of progressive class warfare.






6. Lady Thatcher believed in the Anglo-American political tradition of ordered liberty, and her time in government brought forth the dormant incipient virtues —dispersed authority, open debate, popular sovereignty, spontaneous social evolution— in many new democracies, such as Estonia. They offer the best hope for Third World countries emerging from poverty and backwardness into a world of globalized opportunities.

a. European political structure is built upon a very different tradition of constructivist rationalism; the future is endangered by the failure of many conservatives to see the dangers in a European and global governance, popular with the US administration, that lacks democratic accountability and threatens liberal freedoms.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2008&month=06


4/8/2013 Lady Thatcher passed on to her reward this morning.


"I've lost her now for sure
I won't see her no more
It's gonna be a drag, misery..."

"Misery," The Beatles

4 is definitely true. The UK was far, far more mired in socialist failure than the US.

 

[Toro]

American Progressive hate her for the same reasons they hate Reagan, she beat their home team

Hate is the right word.

"Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks"
One of the most caustic rememberances came from Morrissey, who famously asked "When will you die?" on the not-at-all subtle Viva Hate track "Margaret on the Guillotine."
Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks | SPIN | Newswire

I can't imagine folks on the Right wishing for the death of their political adversaries....

The 'caring' Left is viscous.

Morrissey wrote today to celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death.

And he sang "When will you die..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsq3H_6XuFA]Morrissey - Margaret on the Guillotine - YouTube[/ame]

Morrisey sucks.

Really, he does.

I never thought I could be insanely bored by music until The Smiths.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

American Progressive hate her for the same reasons they hate Reagan, she beat their home team

Hate is the right word.

"Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks"
One of the most caustic rememberances came from Morrissey, who famously asked "When will you die?" on the not-at-all subtle Viva Hate track "Margaret on the Guillotine."
Morrissey Updates Scathing Margaret Thatcher Remarks With Even More Scathing Remarks | SPIN | Newswire

I can't imagine folks on the Right wishing for the death of their political adversaries....

The 'caring' Left is viscous.

Morrissey wrote today to celebrate Baroness Thatcher's death.

And he sang "When will you die..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsq3H_6XuFA]Morrissey - Margaret on the Guillotine - YouTube[/ame]

Morrisey sucks.

Really, he does.

I never thought I could be insanely bored by music until The Smiths.

The Smiths had some good songs. The problem with many entertainers is they develop a sense of moral superiority and they harp about their extreme politics and they don't get that it's far from entertaining. The same thing happened with David Letterman. He used to be a carefree man who was delightful and then almost overnight he turned into a hateful, vitriolic, self absorbed p.o.s.

 

[PoliticalChic]

increased poverty , 17% interest rates, increased inequality, increased homes prices and repossesion.


what exactly are you people cheering about her record?

They are the same people who think that Reagan was great, enough said.

NoNoodles....in your case....there is never enough said!

Nothing that I write has the power to identify and characterize the Left's inability to recognize reality as does your babbling.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Agit8r]

She supplied Blowpipe missiles to the Afghan resistance giving Reagan the justification to insist that American intelligence agencies supply them with the more effective Stinger missiles.

Seems like that one came back to bite us decades later

 

[Meathead]

I hate these current teenybopper expressions, but she "owned" the left and thus can never be forgiven by seedy and lowlife lefties. At least Labour leaders, being better educated than their chav supporters, displayed a measure of respect and acknowledgement of her achievements

 

[Agit8r]

Now, Golda Meir, there was the real Iron Lady.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If not for her and Reagan the cold war would not have been over .. They were a great team

and Gorbachev had nothing to do with it huh?

Gorby was just Being There while Reagan and Thatcher reshaped the world, freeing tens of million from the horrific oppression of Soviet Communism

 

[FJO]

If not for her and Reagan the cold war would not have been over .. They were a great team

and Gorbachev had nothing to do with it huh?

If not for Thathcer, Reagan and Pope John Paul II, Gorbachev would have been nothing more than another Lenin, Stalin, Krushchev or Brezhnev.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If not for her and Reagan the cold war would not have been over .. They were a great team

and Gorbachev had nothing to do with it huh?

1. OMG…you are correct! That’s an event that usually accompanies a parting sea or a stone tablet!!!

2. Gorbachev was the pretension that the Left used to hide the fact that Reagan defeated the Evil Empire without firing a shot!!

Yup....

3. See, if the truth came out, folks would have realized that the Left was protecting communism all those years.

4. Why?
Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs.




5. "SO ON WHOM or what do we bestow the title of the "evil empire's" killer? Was it Mikhail Gorbachev himself who pulled down what Lenin and Stalin had built up? It is tempting to finger Gorbachev, but this would ascribe too much wisdom and foresight to a man who wanted merely to reform, but not to relinquish, the empire.

At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_77/ai_n6353166/pg_6/?tag=content;col1



Nah...you don't have to thank me.....

 

[velvtacheeze]

John O’Sullivan, Executive Editor, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, gave a speech May 9, 2008 at Hillsdale College.

The following is based on that speech:

1. “Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.” These words of Margaret Thatcher could be applied to her as well. She matched Reagan’s military buildup with a strengthening of Britain’s defense forces. She was the strongest voice in Western Europe protesting against Soviet-ordered martial law against Solidarity in Poland. Thatcher took office in May, 1979, and Reagan in January, 1981, and they vanquished communism in less than a decade.

2. Thatcher fought a war to evict Argentina from the Falklands, and thereby compelled the Soviets to accept that the West would fight to defend itself. She supplied Blowpipe missiles to the Afghan resistance giving Reagan the justification to insist that American intelligence agencies supply them with the more effective Stinger missiles.

3. She prevented the European Union from accepting the legitimacy of Soviet incorporation of the Baltic countries inside its multi-national Gulag. She rallied the Europeans to ensure the installation of US missiles in Western Europe in 1984 to match the Soviet planting of SS-20s in the Soviet satellites. This was a decisive defeat for the Soviet Union in the Cold War, as they lost the hope of being able to employ nuclear blackmail against NATO, and of splitting the Atlantic alliance. The collapse of communism occurred only a few years later.




4. Thatcher, in fact, may well be regarded by history as more important than Reagan, in respect to economic reform. This is because recovery of the British economy in the 1980’s started at a lower point, and occurred in a more left-wing country: while Jimmy Carter was fairly effective at ruining an economy, but was no match for 50 years of socialism and Labour government. Thatcher successfully battled not only Labour MP’s, and timid Tories, but labor unions, as in the ’84-’85 miners’ strike. These domestic victories weakened the extreme left everywhere. Consider:

a. Loss-making industries were closed down or reduced in size. Manufacturing industries shed labor, often while increasing output, restructuring to meet foreign competition.

b. Privatization transformed inefficient state-owned industries into dynamic private sector enterprises.

c. Like Reagan’s revived US economy, Thatcher’s British economy was characterized by change, profitability, growth, better allocation of resources, and an entirely new economy based on the information revolution.

d. Thatcher championed capital ownership, “Labour believed in turning workers against owners; we believe in turning workers into owners.” Two-thirds of Britain’s state-owned industries were sold to the private sector, resulting in more efficient industries and wider capital ownership. Between 1979 and 1989, the proportion of the British public owning shares rose from seven percent to fully one-quarter.

e. Here is Thatcher’s Finance Minister, Nigel Lawson, pointing out some of the signs of a growing enterprise culture in Britain: “…an average increase of 500 new firms per week—after deducting closures. There was a rise from little more than one million to over three million in the number of self-employed. The UK venture capitalist industry, which scarcely existed when we first took office, had by 1985 become twice as large as its counterparts in the rest of the European Community taken together.”

May favorite Thatcher moment: Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts.




5. Thatcher supported the “vigorous virtues,” such qualities as self-reliance, diligence, thrift, trustworthiness, and initiative that enable someone who exhibits them to live and work independently in society. Though they are not the only virtues—compassion might be called one of the “softer virtues”—they are essential to the success of a free economy and a civil society, both of which rely on dispersed initiative and self-reliant citizens.

a. The world economy benefitted form Thatcherism and Reaganism, in that they had provided the world with successful models of free and deregulated economies. Tax cuts were America’s principal intellectual export; privatization was Britain’s. Of the two, privatization was the more important globally, since the Third World and post-communist economies were encumbered with a vast number of inefficient state industries.

b. In the Politburo archives can be found this unwitting tribute to Lady Thatcher in a 1986 conversation between Gorbachev and Alexander Natta, the General Secretary of the Italian Communist party:

Natta: At the same time we, the communists, having either overestimated or underestimated the functions of the “welfare state,” kept defending situations which, as it became clear only now, we should not have defended. As a result, a bureaucratic apparatus, which serves itself, has swelled. It is interesting that a certain similarity with your situation, which you call stagnation, can be seen here.

Gorbachev: “Parkinson’s law” works everywhere. . . .

Natta: Any bureaucratization encourages the apparatus to protect its own interests and to forget about the citizens’ interests. I suppose that is exactly why the Right’s demands of re-privatisation are falling on a fertile ground in Western public opinion.


c. Once the command economies of the Soviet Bloc collapsed in 1989, revealing the extraordinary bankruptcy of state planning, it was the Thatcher model that the new democracies mainly sought to emulate. In 1939 Finland and its southern neighbor Estonia were identical in many ways. Then, in 1940, the USSR occupied Estonia, and it remained under communist rule for 50 years. Here are the words of Mart Laar, Estonia’s former prime minister, stating what communism did to his country:

“Look at what happened in this context during these fifty years and then you can understand how terrible the communist system really is. And it’s not only in the economy. This is in all fields of life—the social structure, cultural standards, education, healthcare, or whatever. When you compare those two countries, which were exactly the same in 1939[,] in 1989, then you will find what communism really means, and how bad it is. Our economy, our nature, and our environment was [sic] destroyed.”

The conclusion:
their economic and social differences grew so large that no informed person could honestly dispute the pernicious effect that communist rule had on occupied Estonia.
The Filter^: Finland and Estonia
In 1991 Estonia became capitalist, and experienced massive economic growth. They discovered the errors of progressive class warfare.






6. Lady Thatcher believed in the Anglo-American political tradition of ordered liberty, and her time in government brought forth the dormant incipient virtues —dispersed authority, open debate, popular sovereignty, spontaneous social evolution— in many new democracies, such as Estonia. They offer the best hope for Third World countries emerging from poverty and backwardness into a world of globalized opportunities.

a. European political structure is built upon a very different tradition of constructivist rationalism; the future is endangered by the failure of many conservatives to see the dangers in a European and global governance, popular with the US administration, that lacks democratic accountability and threatens liberal freedoms.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2008&month=06


4/8/2013 Lady Thatcher passed on to her reward this morning.


"I've lost her now for sure
I won't see her no more
It's gonna be a drag, misery..."

"Misery," The Beatles

Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts.

 

[FJO]

velvtacheese said, totally unrelated to the post to which he responded:

"Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin".

Of course not, moron! Lady Thatcher passed away.