Marijuana could soon be regulated like alchohol in all 50 states

[MarathonMike]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Legalize it nation wide...Stop the useless war on drugs.

Just change the federal law and let the states decide..


What is their 28 states that have some type of legal weed laws now? Everyone by now knows the reason why weed was banned was because it was racist and two by the alcohol industry


Almost enough states to get an amendment..


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[Pogo]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

Regardless what you consider "likely" after not being there --- it doesn't change the point.

 

[Wyatt earp]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?


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[Pogo]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?

There could be any number of reasons they would want to separate from her, including maybe she had or found some dirt on the employer -- and they used this as a pretext.

Doesn't matter, this is all speculation. Still doesn't affect the greater point of the legitimacy of piss tests for employment.

 

[Wyatt earp]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?

There could be any number of reasons they would want to separate from her, including maybe she had or found some dirt on the employer -- and they used this as a pretext.

Doesn't matter, this is all speculation. Still doesn't affect the greater point of the legitimacy of piss tests for employment.

I am so used to taking piss tests over the past 20 years for work I guess I became a sheep and it doesn't bother me.


Good thing they didn't have it much In The 1980s...lol



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[Pogo]

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?

There could be any number of reasons they would want to separate from her, including maybe she had or found some dirt on the employer -- and they used this as a pretext.

Doesn't matter, this is all speculation. Still doesn't affect the greater point of the legitimacy of piss tests for employment.

I am so used to taking piss tests over the past 20 years for work I guess I became a sheep and it doesn't bother me.


Good thing they didn't have it much In The 1980s...lol

Yeah it was H.W. who championed that lunacy.

I've been asked to piss test once for employment. I refused. They backed down. Seems I wasn't the first.

 

[Wyatt earp]

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?

There could be any number of reasons they would want to separate from her, including maybe she had or found some dirt on the employer -- and they used this as a pretext.

Doesn't matter, this is all speculation. Still doesn't affect the greater point of the legitimacy of piss tests for employment.

I am so used to taking piss tests over the past 20 years for work I guess I became a sheep and it doesn't bother me.


Good thing they didn't have it much In The 1980s...lol

Yeah it was H.W. who championed that lunacy.

I've been asked to piss test once for employment. I refused. They backed down. Seems I wasn't the first.

You said that before I still don't know how you got away with it you must be good at your job

I one time tested positive for this temporary job, for opiates and I have not done them in years and I remembered I had a Chicago style hot dog with a poppy seed bun for lunch .. I told them that and they told me to forget about it and let me work anyways.

 

[Pogo]

Hmmmm. Something seems fishy about this story. One day on the job and fired? Maybe she showed up in an impaired state and they tested her to validate it was due to marijuana. That would be more likely than springing a random drug test on a first day employee to play 'gotcha'.

I had to re read the story, yes something is weird here I assume they gave her a pre-employment drug test, why in the world would they give her another drug test on the 1st day on the job?

There could be any number of reasons they would want to separate from her, including maybe she had or found some dirt on the employer -- and they used this as a pretext.

Doesn't matter, this is all speculation. Still doesn't affect the greater point of the legitimacy of piss tests for employment.

I am so used to taking piss tests over the past 20 years for work I guess I became a sheep and it doesn't bother me.


Good thing they didn't have it much In The 1980s...lol

Yeah it was H.W. who championed that lunacy.

I've been asked to piss test once for employment. I refused. They backed down. Seems I wasn't the first.

You said that before I still don't know how you got away with it you must be good at your job

I one time tested positive for this temporary job, for opiates and I have not done them in years and I remembered I had a Chicago style hot dog with a poppy seed bun for lunch .. I told them that and they told me to forget about it and let me work anyways.

I think I "got away with it" at least partly because as I said I wasn't the first one to turn them down. They already had a standard response, "well OK". In other words I called their bluff. But others before me seem to have done the same thing. That's why solidarity in numbers is unbeatable.

 

[MindWars]

Colorado governor: State faces nearly $700M budget deficit

USA today could be shady, but I'm sure they'll pick it up in the pot . It does mention the up ticks though either way .

Revenues are expected to grow by 4 percent this year and by more than 5 percent in fiscal year 2017-18.

 

[MindWars]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

I've seen where one worker was fired, they had to hire him back.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

Polis' legislation will likely fail, but the fact that this is being introduced at all is already a step in the right direction. In any case, marijuana legalization in all 50 states is inevitable.

 

[EverCurious]

FYI



Can a worker be fired for using medical cannabis?

• ERIN TIERNAN
  
• MARCH 17, 2017 5:00 AM

Courts, lawmakers ponder the question.

Can workers be fired for smoking medical cannabis when they’re off the clock?

That’s the question currently before the state’s highest court the legislature this session.

Medical marijuana is legal in 28 states and in Washington, but because cannabis is still illegal under federal law, patients who use it aren’t necessarily afforded the same protections as patients who use more conventional medications like opioids. Workers can be fired from their jobs for failing a drug test, even if they can provide proof that they are a registered patient.

It’s a double standard Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs a pot-friendly practice, would like to see changed.

“I think absolutely this medicine should be treated with same regard as other medicines and as far as employees go; they should get the same protections as they do with other medications,” he said. “There’s no reason to treat it any differently than percocet, benzos, or frankly any non-dependency forming psychoactive medication.”

Marijuana is different from alcohol in that it can be detected in the body for weeks after use. And a positive test doesn’t indicate current intoxication, Tishler said.

For people like Cristina Barbuto, using medicinal cannabis can mean having to choose between making a living and living in pain.

Barbuto, who has Crohn’s disease, was fired from a marketing job with Advantage Sales and Marketing in 2015 when she failed a drug test — a test she had already told her boss would test positive for marijuana. Though her boss said it wouldn’t be an issue given her medical status, Barbuto was fired after just one day on the job.

"Ms. Barbuto explained to ASM that she did not use marijuana daily and would never consume it before work or at work," her court appeal states.

But she was fired anyway. The reason? She said the business decided, “We follow federal law, not state law."

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

They just can fire you anyways or take a hair sample..

That's my point --- if wimps would stand up and just say no to this authoritarian shit, they would have to drop it. And then it wouldn't exist.

They can't function without workers.


"When they came for the potheads I said nothing....." etc

That reminds me of a funny story at my last company something happened on the night shift so they drug tested them all a few years back and more then half of them came up positive, so they said forget it and never did a random drug test again... Only if you got hurt.



.

And even then it's bullshit if they're attributing a cause and effect that can't be proven.

That entire fake song and dance about workplace "safety" is a complete crock of shit. If safety was what they were really after they could simply administer a simple reflex test that would show if they were in poor condition, whether it was a drug, lack of sleep, alcohol, distraction out of domestic stuff, encroaching illness or whatever. And it would be both a lot cheaper and a lot more accurate.

Obviously that's not the goal. The goal is personal control. Always has been. Same goal as illegalizing cannabis in the first place.

Has nothing to do with personal control, it has to do with risk assessment and thus liability. The workers comp insurance folks decided that stoned and drunk people tended to have more accidents, thus they demand the employers give a piss test in order to have lower insurance rates.

Larger businesses will do it because of the sue happy fuck nuts all over the place and having a stoned or drunk employee make a mistake that say damages a customers car opens up the business to being sued for a shit ton more than the worth of the car (lawyer fees, lost wages, pain and suffering, etc. etc.)

On the other hand, there are a lot of small businesses that blow it off, or lie, to the insurance companies and frankly there's not really any way for the insurance company to "prove" that the piss test company tested /everyone/. Also in businesses with high turn over rates they'll do one test at hire and that's the end of it. Either way, it doesn't matter so much, if your employer doesn't want you drunk or high on the job then that's their choice, go find an employer that doesn't care - and yes there are a ton of them.

 

[Pogo]

NOBODY should ever consent to an employee piss test. Those that cave make the above scenario happen.

They just can fire you anyways or take a hair sample..

That's my point --- if wimps would stand up and just say no to this authoritarian shit, they would have to drop it. And then it wouldn't exist.

They can't function without workers.


"When they came for the potheads I said nothing....." etc

That reminds me of a funny story at my last company something happened on the night shift so they drug tested them all a few years back and more then half of them came up positive, so they said forget it and never did a random drug test again... Only if you got hurt.



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And even then it's bullshit if they're attributing a cause and effect that can't be proven.

That entire fake song and dance about workplace "safety" is a complete crock of shit. If safety was what they were really after they could simply administer a simple reflex test that would show if they were in poor condition, whether it was a drug, lack of sleep, alcohol, distraction out of domestic stuff, encroaching illness or whatever. And it would be both a lot cheaper and a lot more accurate.

Obviously that's not the goal. The goal is personal control. Always has been. Same goal as illegalizing cannabis in the first place.

Has nothing to do with personal control, it has to do with risk assessment and thus liability. The workers comp insurance folks decided that stoned and drunk people tended to have more accidents, thus they demand the employers give a piss test in order to have lower insurance rates.

Larger businesses will do it because of the sue happy fuck nuts all over the place and having a stoned or drunk employee make a mistake that say damages a customers car opens up the business to being sued for a shit ton more than the worth of the car (lawyer fees, lost wages, pain and suffering, etc. etc.)

On the other hand, there are a lot of small businesses that blow it off, or lie, to the insurance companies and frankly there's not really any way for the insurance company to "prove" that the piss test company tested /everyone/. Also in businesses with high turn over rates they'll do one test at hire and that's the end of it. Either way, it doesn't matter so much, if your employer doesn't want you drunk or high on the job then that's their choice, go find an employer that doesn't care - and yes there are a ton of them.

Nope.

This is akin to the same non sequitur fallacy that wants to piss test welfare recipients --- the fact that a testee (hee hee testee I kill me) might have a substance in their blood in no way means they somehow used or bartered their benefits to buy said substance -- actually it doesn't prove they bought anything at all. Does not follow, ergo non sequitur, ergo bogus.

Same thing here --- the fact that some testee shows a substance in no way proves that substance was the causal factor in the accident. Again, as already noted and ignored, on the one hand many things could have contributed including fatigue, alcoholic hangover, encroaching illness that the worker is not yet aware of, distractions etc etc. For that matter the causal factor might not be the worker at all; it could be mechanical failure or someody else's negligence. But here's the almighty Piss Test to nail a scapegoat to the wall and get the employer off the hook. Further, different individuals react to different substances in different ways, markedly different. The same amount of the same substanc, including alcohol, might incapacitate worker A while it has no effect on worker B. So that doesn't work either.

Whereas on the other hand (as also already posted and ignored) if said employer were legitimately concerned about safety and physical competence therein, they could have each worker pass through a simple, quick and easy reflex test at the start of their shift that would screen out those suffering from fatigue, hangover, etc etc etc including the effects of a drug, and ensure that they have an alert and competent workforce that day. You'd get literally a hundred percent screening, you'd flag all those sleepy-eyed or drunk or sick workers that DON'T get flagged at all in the present, and you'd be violating nobody's privacy because how they got to be undercapacitated is irrelevant.

But no, that's not what they want, in either case. They want moralistic personal control of people's private lives, and they'll use whatever hammer over the head they can find to get it, and they'll dress it up as "worker safety" or "welfare fraud". It's transparent as a pane of glass --- see through it. This is the heavy hand of crass authoritarianism, and that's all it is. Government and industry, working fascistically together to control private personal behavior.

This is purely punitive. SEE it for what it is.

And that's all it was in the 1930s when Harry Anslinger, deprived of Prohibition, started campaigning against cannabis on the horrors that it would lead to consorting with Mexicans and blacks or even, horrors, listening to jazz.

And finally -- there's this little thing:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"​

Fuck Harry Anslinger and everybody who thinks like him. Right down to their corporate piss tests.

 

[Wyatt earp]

They just can fire you anyways or take a hair sample..

That's my point --- if wimps would stand up and just say no to this authoritarian shit, they would have to drop it. And then it wouldn't exist.

They can't function without workers.


"When they came for the potheads I said nothing....." etc

That reminds me of a funny story at my last company something happened on the night shift so they drug tested them all a few years back and more then half of them came up positive, so they said forget it and never did a random drug test again... Only if you got hurt.



.

And even then it's bullshit if they're attributing a cause and effect that can't be proven.

That entire fake song and dance about workplace "safety" is a complete crock of shit. If safety was what they were really after they could simply administer a simple reflex test that would show if they were in poor condition, whether it was a drug, lack of sleep, alcohol, distraction out of domestic stuff, encroaching illness or whatever. And it would be both a lot cheaper and a lot more accurate.

Obviously that's not the goal. The goal is personal control. Always has been. Same goal as illegalizing cannabis in the first place.

Has nothing to do with personal control, it has to do with risk assessment and thus liability. The workers comp insurance folks decided that stoned and drunk people tended to have more accidents, thus they demand the employers give a piss test in order to have lower insurance rates.

Larger businesses will do it because of the sue happy fuck nuts all over the place and having a stoned or drunk employee make a mistake that say damages a customers car opens up the business to being sued for a shit ton more than the worth of the car (lawyer fees, lost wages, pain and suffering, etc. etc.)

On the other hand, there are a lot of small businesses that blow it off, or lie, to the insurance companies and frankly there's not really any way for the insurance company to "prove" that the piss test company tested /everyone/. Also in businesses with high turn over rates they'll do one test at hire and that's the end of it. Either way, it doesn't matter so much, if your employer doesn't want you drunk or high on the job then that's their choice, go find an employer that doesn't care - and yes there are a ton of them.

Nope.

This is akin to the same non sequitur fallacy that wants to piss test welfare recipients --- the fact that a testee (hee hee testee I kill me) might have a substance in their blood in no way means they somehow used or bartered their benefits to buy said substance -- actually it doesn't prove they bought anything at all. Does not follow, ergo non sequitur.

Same thing here --- the fact that some testee shows a substance in no way proves that substance was the causal factor in the accident. Again, as already noted and ignored, on the one hand many things could have contributed including fatigue, alcoholic hangover, encroaching illness that the worker is not yet aware of, distractions etc etc. For that matter the causal factor might not be the worker at all; it could be mechanical failure or someody else's negligence. But here's the almighty Piss Test to nail a scapegoat to the wall and get the employer off the hook. Further, different individuals react to different substances in different ways, markedly different. The same amount of the same substanc, including alcohol, might incapacitate worker A while it has no effect on worker B. So that doesn't work either.

Whereas on the other hand (as also already posted and ignored) if said employer were legitimately concerned about safety and physical competence therein, they could have each worker pass through a simple, quick and easy reflex test at the start of their shift that would screen out those suffering from fatigue, hangover, etc etc etc including the effects of a drug, and ensure that they have an alert and competent workforce that day. You'd get literally a hundred percent screening, you'd flag all those sleepy-eyed or drunk or sick workers that DON'T get flagged at all in the present, and you'd be violating nobody's privacy because how they got to be undercapacitated is irrelevant.

But no, that's not what they want, in either case. They want moralistic personal control of people's private lives, and they'll use whatever hammer over the head they can find to get it, and they'll dress it up as "worker safety" or "welfare fraud". It's transparent as a pane of glass --- see through it. This is the heavy hand of crass authoritarianism, and that's all it is. Government and industry, working fascistically together to control private personal behavior.

This is purely punitive. SEE it for what it is.

And that's all it was in the 1930s when Harry Anslinger, deprived of Prohibition, started campaigning against cannabis on the horrors that it would lead to consorting with Mexicans and blacks or even, horrors, listening to jazz.

Fuck Harry Anslinger and everybody who thinks like him. Right down to their corporate piss tests.

But D.U.I. laws say were all the same even though I could drink a six pack of budlight you wouldn't even know it compared to a novice beer drinker

 

[Pogo]

That's my point --- if wimps would stand up and just say no to this authoritarian shit, they would have to drop it. And then it wouldn't exist.

They can't function without workers.


"When they came for the potheads I said nothing....." etc

That reminds me of a funny story at my last company something happened on the night shift so they drug tested them all a few years back and more then half of them came up positive, so they said forget it and never did a random drug test again... Only if you got hurt.



.

And even then it's bullshit if they're attributing a cause and effect that can't be proven.

That entire fake song and dance about workplace "safety" is a complete crock of shit. If safety was what they were really after they could simply administer a simple reflex test that would show if they were in poor condition, whether it was a drug, lack of sleep, alcohol, distraction out of domestic stuff, encroaching illness or whatever. And it would be both a lot cheaper and a lot more accurate.

Obviously that's not the goal. The goal is personal control. Always has been. Same goal as illegalizing cannabis in the first place.

Has nothing to do with personal control, it has to do with risk assessment and thus liability. The workers comp insurance folks decided that stoned and drunk people tended to have more accidents, thus they demand the employers give a piss test in order to have lower insurance rates.

Larger businesses will do it because of the sue happy fuck nuts all over the place and having a stoned or drunk employee make a mistake that say damages a customers car opens up the business to being sued for a shit ton more than the worth of the car (lawyer fees, lost wages, pain and suffering, etc. etc.)

On the other hand, there are a lot of small businesses that blow it off, or lie, to the insurance companies and frankly there's not really any way for the insurance company to "prove" that the piss test company tested /everyone/. Also in businesses with high turn over rates they'll do one test at hire and that's the end of it. Either way, it doesn't matter so much, if your employer doesn't want you drunk or high on the job then that's their choice, go find an employer that doesn't care - and yes there are a ton of them.

Nope.

This is akin to the same non sequitur fallacy that wants to piss test welfare recipients --- the fact that a testee (hee hee testee I kill me) might have a substance in their blood in no way means they somehow used or bartered their benefits to buy said substance -- actually it doesn't prove they bought anything at all. Does not follow, ergo non sequitur.

Same thing here --- the fact that some testee shows a substance in no way proves that substance was the causal factor in the accident. Again, as already noted and ignored, on the one hand many things could have contributed including fatigue, alcoholic hangover, encroaching illness that the worker is not yet aware of, distractions etc etc. For that matter the causal factor might not be the worker at all; it could be mechanical failure or someody else's negligence. But here's the almighty Piss Test to nail a scapegoat to the wall and get the employer off the hook. Further, different individuals react to different substances in different ways, markedly different. The same amount of the same substanc, including alcohol, might incapacitate worker A while it has no effect on worker B. So that doesn't work either.

Whereas on the other hand (as also already posted and ignored) if said employer were legitimately concerned about safety and physical competence therein, they could have each worker pass through a simple, quick and easy reflex test at the start of their shift that would screen out those suffering from fatigue, hangover, etc etc etc including the effects of a drug, and ensure that they have an alert and competent workforce that day. You'd get literally a hundred percent screening, you'd flag all those sleepy-eyed or drunk or sick workers that DON'T get flagged at all in the present, and you'd be violating nobody's privacy because how they got to be undercapacitated is irrelevant.

But no, that's not what they want, in either case. They want moralistic personal control of people's private lives, and they'll use whatever hammer over the head they can find to get it, and they'll dress it up as "worker safety" or "welfare fraud". It's transparent as a pane of glass --- see through it. This is the heavy hand of crass authoritarianism, and that's all it is. Government and industry, working fascistically together to control private personal behavior.

This is purely punitive. SEE it for what it is.

And that's all it was in the 1930s when Harry Anslinger, deprived of Prohibition, started campaigning against cannabis on the horrors that it would lead to consorting with Mexicans and blacks or even, horrors, listening to jazz.

Fuck Harry Anslinger and everybody who thinks like him. Right down to their corporate piss tests.

But D.U.I. laws say were all the same even though I could drink a six pack of budlight you wouldn't even know it compared to a novice beer drinker

If you drank a six of Bud Lite, you should be imprisoned -- for having atrocious taste in beer.

But fair point. A breathalyzer could be at least supplemented by a reflex test, which would also screen out the asleep-at-the-wheel gang, of which there are many.. However if you just left the bar or party, the full effect may not have hit you yet.

 

[EverCurious]

The NCCI assesses a companies workers comp rates from a MoD (Experience Modification) - all businesses start with a 1.0 (the "standard") then receive points upward and downward based on a variety of factors (like manufacturing jobs will have a higher rating etc.) A rating of 1.10 means the insurance company will charge you an extra 10% beyond the standard for your type of business.

Drug testing comes into this MoD factor because of the 1984 (I believe it was) "Drug Free Workplace" initiative; the insurance companies tack on points if you don't have an adequate "safety plan," which includes drug testing because of the (perceived or real) higher likelihood of injuries.

I also believe it is federally mandated in certain work fields as a public safety matter, though I'd have to hunt that down to be positive.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway.

I get what you are saying here, but if every wrong doing was made legal, there would most definitely be no justice for those who became victims of the wrong doings because there would no longer be a punishment for those who are guilty of the wrong doings.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Mr Natural]

Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway.

I get what you are saying here, but if every wrong doing was made legal, there would most definitely be no justice for those who became victims of the wrong doings because there would no longer be a punishment for those who are guilty of the wrong doings.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Smoking marijuana is not a "wrong doing".

 

[danielpalos]

In eight states and Washington D.C., adults can legally consume marijuana—and that could soon change to adults in all 50 states. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) recently introduced a bill that would make marijuana federally legal and allow the plant to be regulated as alcohol is in the U.S.

Marijuana could soon be legal for adults in all 50 states
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Just legalize it, people smoke it anyway. Booze is worse and always will be. Colorado is filthy rich because of it and had so much money left over from tax they were able to create housing and or help homeless people sorry can't recall which it was at the moment.

This money could be dumped into multiple areas.

About time we were more Faithful, to our Commerce Clause.