Zone1 Mary--An Amazing Young Mother. Also All Of Us.

[TNHarley]

Is that also how God created Adam?

Or can He create anyway He wants, since He's God?

Obviously not. There was no impregnating children to make adam. He used dirt lol.

 

[SweetSue92]

Agreed that her life didn't come with an instruction manual. She didn't know, although Jesus apparently thought she should have, that Jesus would be found in the temple, all she knew was He was missing. Mary's life, as is the case with other Biblical figures, illustrates a powerful truth. When God singles out a person to do something very important, that person often lives a very difficult life.

Mary, ordinary woman, chosen to bear God in the flesh - watched her son be ostracized by much of society, then violently and brutally executed by the state. Just a note on her sinlessness, if she was truly sinless, there would be no need for Jesus to even become human and die, because it would be possible to stand justified before God on our own efforts. We can't.
Sampson, given supernatural strength to rescue the nation of Israel - blinded by his enemies and killed in his final act.
Most of the prophets whose writings are in the Bible - stoned, cut in half, executed in cruel ways, etc.
John the Baptist - beheaded in prison because of a violent woman who pimped out her daughter.
Jonah, chosen to preach to Ninevah - thrown into the sea in the middle of a violent storm.

The point is, with great blessing often comes great hardship.

Thank you for this. Truly a great post.

I grew up in a church with well-meaning teachers, but our church did not put a premium on salvation. It was more like "character lessons to live a good life", etc. So the lessons all came off that the Bible characters--Moses, David, the disciples, etc--were all great honorably worthy people.

Because of this, I really grew up thinking I wasn't good enough for Jesus. He wouldn't want me. When I attended a church as a young adult that taught the REAL Gospel--WOW.

Most of the humans in the Bible did suffer for their faith, and many of them, like us, really messed up too.

God is so good.

 

[SweetSue92]

So you didnt answer my question. If god decided to "impregnate" someone else, would he choose a child again? Do you think his morality evolved(obviously much better) with ours?

I did answer, and you just want to be mad. Don't need me for that.

 

[SweetSue92]

Obviously not. There was no impregnating children to make adam. He used dirt lol.

Now think really really hard.

Even here, with humans, is there a way for a woman to get pregnant without being effed, as you so eloquently put it?

I think there is. See if you can get to it.

 

[TNHarley]

I did answer, and you just want to be mad. Don't need me for that.

No, you didnt, sue.

 

[TNHarley]

Now think really really hard.

Even here, with humans, is there a way for a woman to get pregnant without being effed, as you so eloquently put it?

I think there is. See if you can get to it.

Not with dirt.

 

[SweetSue92]

Not with dirt.

Women get inseminated with IVF and bear children. Lesbians--who have never been impregnated by a man--can do this.

But it's beyond your imagination to think God could. Well, no it's not. You just want to be mad and hope to offend me.

You're not offending me, but you probably are offending God. Your choice I guess, for now.

 

[TNHarley]

Women get inseminated with IVF and bear children. Lesbians--who have never been impregnated by a man--can do this.

But it's beyond your imagination to think God could. Well, no it's not. You just want to be mad and hope to offend me.

You're not offending me, but you probably are offending God. Your choice I guess, for now.

With dirt? Yes, that is a bit silly.
If you get offended, thats on you and the silly things you devote yourself to.

 

[BreezeWood]

So Mary conceives Jesus as a virgin.

the crucifiers false revelations justifying their religion of christianity at the expense of those brave people involved and who they crucified ...

1st century heavenly events are the refutiation of judaism, false commandments, hereditary idolatry - mary and joseph made clear their love for each other whether married or not as their pregnancy proved and is the heavenly personification for which matrimony through judaism is the evil that prevailed they were not afraid of in their own lives - the liar moses.

just as today the crucifiers use matrimony for their own purposes to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[Meriweather]

do you think god would impregnate another child, or do you think his morality evolved with ours? You know, maybe pick an adult this time?

In Biblical times, fourteen-year-old girls were of marriageable age. Growing up, their lives were much different than children growing up today. Children were taught to work and were expected to work. Another comment that occurs to me is a Biblical verse that notes that the Kingdom of God belongs to children.

 

[Meriweather]

Literature has a way of making a sin work out.

Literature also reflects life...that it is possible to bring good out of evil.

 

[TNHarley]

In Biblical times, fourteen-year-old girls were of marriageable age. Growing up, their lives were much different than children growing up today. Children were taught to work and were expected to work. Another comment that occurs to me is a Biblical verse that notes that the Kingdom of God belongs to children.

I understand back then screwing kids was normal.
My question is, now that we have become more moral, do you think god has? Do you think he would impregnate an adult, or another child?

 

[Meriweather]

They are the same. Salvation/Redemption is individual and not universal.

Early church teaching is that redemption was for the entire world. The world is redeemed and the way of salvation open to all. However, not all will choose to enter into salvation.

 

[Meriweather]

Just a note on her sinlessness, if she was truly sinless, there would be no need for Jesus to even become human and die, because it would be possible to stand justified before God on our own efforts. We can't.

Adam and Eve were created without sin but did not remain sinless and entered into a fallen state that was passed on to all their descendants. Simply because, at her conception, God blessed and protected Mary from this fallen state/Original Sin, so that his son would enter into the world without sin touching him, either. Mary immediately noted God as her savior; not that she was justified before God by her own efforts. God created each one of us for a purpose, and God provides each one of us all we need to fulfill that purpose. Jesus was fully human, and growing up, the example of a sinless mother would have been additional protection for a young child. Again, who provided this sinless state? God--to provide Mary all she needed to fulfill her purpose before Him. Mary should be seen through Jesus, not Jesus seen through Mary.

 

[TNHarley]

God created each one of us for a purpose

Like Jeffrey Dahmer? Mao? Genghis Kahn? Satan?

 

[Meriweather]

My question is, now that we have become more moral, do you think god has? Do you think he would impregnate an adult, or another child?

I'm blown away by the thought you think we have become more moral.

But to try to answer your question...there is no need for the Holy Spirit to overshadow anyone of any age today to conceive a child. IF there were, God would choose the right person at the right time. He's good at that.

 

[Meriweather]

Like Jeffrey Dahmer? Mao? Genghis Kahn? Satan?

Absolutely. Keep in mind, unlike Mary, not all say 'Yes' when asked for his/her obedience to God.

 

[TNHarley]

Absolutely. Keep in mind, unlike Mary, not all say 'Yes' when asked for his/her obedience to God.

So he created people to kill people. Lead them astray. Sounds like a psychopath.

 

[marvin martian]

Disclaimer: I come at Mary with a Protestant mindset, not Catholic. I won't be arguing that in this thread, thanks.

I read Luke 1-2 again yesterday as part of my Bible reading plan, and it strikes me what a remarkable young woman Mary was. An angel tells her, hey, you're gonna be pregnant; nevermind that you're a virgin. And she says basically, "Okay. I'm game."

So Mary conceives Jesus as a virgin. And even though this happened in her own body, she continues to ponder truths about her Son over and over. The shepherds come--she ponders. Meeting Simeon and Anna in the temple--more pondering. She and Joseph 'lose' Jesus in the temple when He is 12, and she's still pondering.

It's so human and relatable. Like all of us, she might have been bogged down in the responsibilities of day-to-day parenting. The cycle of crying baby--feeding--changing diapers...and then, OH YEAH, this is a very special baby!

The relatability of "Hey, where's Jesus? You don't have Him? I thought YOU had Him!" and then when He's discovered, Mary mildly chides Him. We don't see the Mary on her knees serenely praying, knowing God will never let Him stumble. IMO, we see us. A little frantic, maybe a little frustrated.

My takeaway is: do you sometimes "miss it", and need to ponder over and over? Well, consider Mary, who birthed Jesus. We are not alone.

I'm neither Protestant nor Catholic, but I didn't know they view Mary differently.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm blown away by the thought you think we have become more moral.

But to try to answer your question...there is no need for the Holy Spirit to overshadow anyone of any age today to conceive a child. IF there were, God would choose the right person at the right time. He's good at that.

Well, we think its bad to fck kids now. Most of us, anyway. Sure is a lot of disagreement with that, though..
We dont stone women for getting raped.
We dont send our kids off to be killed by old people for not listening.
If someone goes and kills off an entire city, including children, they will be looked down upon now. Regardless whether they say a voice in their head said to do it or not.
We look down and severely punish people that fck/impregnate children now.
I would say thats a lot more moral than back then.