Mass Civil Disobedience in New York Against ‘Safe Act’

[elektra]

we have the right to bear arms,

of course arms meant cannons as well as muskets back then

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You are right because the Constitution was written to limit the powers of the Federal government.

We have the unalienable right to own firearms to protect our other unalienable rights.

The second amendment was written to prevent government from infringing on that right.

[MENTION=22981]Defiant1[/MENTION]

Do not be deceived by [MENTION=20704]Nosmo King[/MENTION]

The Ninth Amendment clearly reads:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

What are these "other" rights? From where do they come? Also take note that the Ninth Amendment makes it clearly that the Constitution does not grant rights, but simply is enumerating particular rights that are pre-existing.

Shortly after the Tenth Amendment makes is clear that all powers (rights) of the Federal Government were originally the People's before they delegated those powers to them.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The term "retained" by the People was already invoked in the Ninth Amendment. The word retain means:

continue to have (something); keep possession of.

So let us ask [MENTION=20704]Nosmo King[/MENTION] from where do these pre-existing rights come from? The answer is at birth, as a thinking human-being. Some would argue at conception, but that's for another thread.

 

[peach174]

Federal should not be passing any gun laws, nor any laws on our Constitutional Amendment rights.
It's an individual State issue.

 

[Defiant1]

You are right because the Constitution was written to limit the powers of the Federal government.

We have the unalienable right to own firearms to protect our other unalienable rights.

The second amendment was written to prevent government from infringing on that right.

[MENTION=22981]Defiant1[/MENTION]

Do not be deceived by [MENTION=20704]Nosmo King[/MENTION]

The Ninth Amendment clearly reads:



What are these "other" rights? From where do they come? Also take note that the Ninth Amendment makes it clearly that the Constitution does not grant rights, but simply is enumerating particular rights that are pre-existing.

Shortly after the Tenth Amendment makes is clear that all powers (rights) of the Federal Government were originally the People's before they delegated those powers to them.



The term "retained" by the People was already invoked in the Ninth Amendment. The word retain means:

continue to have (something); keep possession of.

So let us ask [MENTION=20704]Nosmo King[/MENTION] from where do these pre-existing rights come from? The answer is at birth, as a thinking human-being. Some would argue at conception, but that's for another thread.

The concept of freedom that doesn't come from the government is too complex for liberals to understand.

 

[OKTexas]

we have the right to bear arms,

of course arms meant cannons as well as muskets back then

Also included fully armed war ships, don't know anyone who could afford one today.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Why do Americans need assault rifles? Overthrowing the Federal government? You're not going to do that, ever, so why do Americans need assault rifles?

Where the hell have you been the last few days? Nevada? Rancher? Ring any bells?

Do you mean the Nevada rancher who continues to break the law, so toothless hilljacks showed up with shotguns to defend him? Yeah, so.... why do you need assault rifles?

"To defend rich criminals."

Good job.

Actually, dumbass it was a bunch of people fed up with an over reaching out of control and excessive force of government coming after one family. A government BTW that was armed to the teeth with real assault weapons not the ones you want banned.

In other words a lot of people used their 2nd Amendment rights as they were intended by facing down an out of control government.

But you're too stupid to realize that and want to push even further. And now it's not only your so called "toothless hilljacks" revolting in Nevada. It's gun owners in New York and Connecticut beginning to fight back.

Keep up the shoving son, you will get the revolution you desperately desire. The result isn't going to be anything like you imagine it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Federal should not be passing any gun laws, nor any laws on our Constitutional Amendment rights.
It's an individual State issue.

Even states are limited to what people will accept. You pass a law in the middle of the night and you may technically have a law but you lack the consent of the governed. That doesn't bode well for any laws success.

 

[joejonbob]

According to many on this board the whole of Upstate New York should be under martial law for sedition.

 

[guno]

I live here so I hear the talk everyday.

The state of New York is refusing to say how many gun owners complied with a mandate to register their assault weapons under the Safe Act while a Sheriff says he will not enforce the measure, suggesting that just like a similar law in Connecticut, the gun control effort has been a total failure as Americans engage in mass civil disobedience against curbs on the Second Amendment.

My sheriff in Suffolk County also publicly announced that he will not enforce it.

lol

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I love it when a gun clutching goober from flyover country talks about NY

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I love it when a cracker from flyover country talks about NY

[MENTION=48060]guno[/MENTION]
I live in New York, here's a video of me speaking about the SAFE Act on Long Island, I speak at 20:09:

 

[whitehall]

It's simple enough. The left can demonstrate their willingness to curb gun violence by calling for the indictment of the Attorney General and the disbanding of the ATF for their part in gun running and the deaths of about 300 Mexican civilians and one Border Patrol officer. The illegal weapons are starting to show up in Arizona and New Mexico. Once Holder is frog walked to prison in an orange jump suit it will be obvious that the democrats aren't just playing politics.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why do Americans need assault rifles? Overthrowing the Federal government? You're not going to do that, ever, so why do Americans need assault rifles?

What makes something an "assault rifle"? Be specific.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yeah, those slaveowners who believed in freedom really knew how to use their brains......

According to [MENTION=45917]KNB[/MENTION]

Freedom of Speech is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Freedom of Assembly is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Freedom of the Press is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Freedom of Religion is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Freedom of Grievance is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Guns are bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Quartering troops in homes is good, because slave-owners were against it.

Search warrants are bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Trial by Jury is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

The Right to face your accuser is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Habeas Corpus is bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Banning Torture was bad, because slave-owners wrote it.

Let the list go on.

Dude...don't give him more ideas.

 

[martybegan]

When gun control laws are suggested as a means of ridding ourselves of gun violence, gun lovers say "enforce the laws already on the books". And now we see gun lovers refusing to do what they advocate.

Are we simply to accept gun violence as part of our society so a few gun lovers can get their inner Rambo on? Is there a connection between guns and gun violence? Why is that so difficult for gun lovers to see? Should our society accept the pointless deaths, countless victims and ubiquitous fear that comes with gun violence? Should we use the second amendment's opening phrase, "a well regulated militia" to mean what it says and take semi-automatic guns off our streets and put them in the hands of that too often ignored 'well regulated militia'?

What percentage of gun violence is done with these types of weapons? What percentage of gun violence is done by legally owned and operated weapons of this type, owned by people with a legal right to own them?

A majority of crimes committed with guns are with illegally owned handguns, possessed by people without the right to own them due to criminal pasts. The issue is the gun control people KNOW that going after them would result in a backlash, so they go after the low hanging fruit, the guns that count for a fraction of the actual crimes committed with guns, because the ones that happen are splashy.

We do not trust people like you because we know your true goal, and we know you lie to get to it.

When the police give up their firearms, when the government gives up the right to protect their own people with firearms, then you can have mine. Until then, fuck off.

It's always such a pleasant experience talking with a gun nut. They impose an agenda on everything, don't respond to the questions and end in obscenities. Such mature, sophisticated, well rounded adults. Maybe that's why they get a kick out of playing Army like little boys and believe they can solve the world's problems just like the guys in their favorite action movies.

I'm glad I was raised to think instead of shoot.

So you have no real response, and go with the standard weasel words to get out of it. You answered none of my points, and thus as usual have nothing to say.

I win, you lose, go fuck a tire iron.

 

[nodoginnafight]

so has anyone been able to come up with any realistic numbers on how many people we are talking about yet?

 

[chikenwing]

so has anyone been able to come up with any realistic numbers on how many people we are talking about yet?

Well the fast majority of upstate is rural and conservative barring a few counties around Rochester,it would be hard to put a real number,buut we are talking a few millions for sure,both the county I live in and the one to the east both sheriffs have been on local TV saying they will renounce this law and there are more around the state. One even suggested driving to PA to make a gun sale,or by one. There are no SAFE ACT signs all over the place,its very very unpopular.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I love it when a gun clutching goober from flyover country talks about NY

I love it when a left wing elitist talks about something he flies over as though he's been there.