Mass killings

[Hutch Starskey]

No one should be tolerant of uncivil behavior.
It's repugnant and offensive. Especially when done deliberately. It's the very definition of incivility.

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Earlier you were suggesting tha we teach our children how that type of behavior should be acceptable.
I teach them the opposite. It's never acceptable behavior. It's uncouth behavior. Maludjusted behavior.

Shall I put you down on the FBI list of possible mass shooters then?

Why would you do that?

That is what the Democrats are saying to do, isn't it?

If we see red flags on social media, we should report it so that people don't go on killing sprees. Being intolerant is a red flag.

That is what the Democrats are saying to do, isn't it?

If we see red flags on social media, we should report it so that people don't go on killing sprees. Being intolerant is a red flag.

WTF are you talking about? No.

You should call the FBI because I called you out for advocating being rude?

That's just dopey logic.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand what the word "tolerance" means.

LOL...
I know it has nothing to do with killing.

 

[pknopp]

You argued for changing tactics.

And? How did you then make the jump to OKC?

Your statements. You said banning certain weapons would change tactics (I'm asking if that is a positive thing) and said it would be less effective (I showed where it wouldn't).

Then I said OKC was a one off. It certainly hasn't been repeated. Has it? Not to mention, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it at anytime. Oh, wait there is. We banned the sale of large quantities of fertilizer to the general public.

No. It is not difficult to get enough fertilizer. We did that to feel safe.

We have been.
Unless there's something you're planning that you'd like to share.

Most have simply taken the easier route. That doesn't mean they won't take the one that takes just a little more effort.

 

[Darkwind]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

Not when it calls for the violent extermination of non-whites! That is not free speech - that is hate speech and should be prosecuted.

Unpopular speech is the most protected speech of all.

What's the matter, are you unable to counter their rhetoric?

It's hard to counter when the president endorses and incites it.

In fact, it isn't if that is what you believe.

I am countering the rhetoric. I'm exposing the danger of intolerance on the left and how it leads to a society that shoots innocent people.

 

[Darkwind]

Shall I put you down on the FBI list of possible mass shooters then?

Why would you do that?

That is what the Democrats are saying to do, isn't it?

If we see red flags on social media, we should report it so that people don't go on killing sprees. Being intolerant is a red flag.

That is what the Democrats are saying to do, isn't it?

If we see red flags on social media, we should report it so that people don't go on killing sprees. Being intolerant is a red flag.

WTF are you talking about? No.

You should call the FBI because I called you out for advocating being rude?

That's just dopey logic.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand what the word "tolerance" means.

LOL...
I know it has nothing to do with killing.

To those who are trained from the diaper to not accept any view of the world but their own, it is. Even you, in the face of the truth that intolerance is your mainstay, refuse to acknowledge that you can be tolerant of others. Eventually -- just like these shooters -- you will reach a point in which you cannot take it any more. Sound familiar?

I see it all the time now that Trump has been elected, and it is getting worse. Even with yhou.

You know? You know what? That you won't crack and start killing people?

How do I know? Why shouldn't I send the authorities to your house to check you out and put you on a watch list?

 

[Papageorgio]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

Patrick Crusius didn't have a "warped" sense of reality. He hated immigrants and thought they were an invasion destructive to this country. Unless you want to label half the posters here "warped," he knew exactly what he was up to and his "opinon" is not that far from what many others think.

How many of those on this board taken a ton of guns and ammunition and went out and went on a mass killing spree. I have never seen an opinion kill someone. I will admit I don't get hating other people to the point of killing anyone, so it is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Dragonlady]

Not sure if anyone remembers, it was on July 18, 1984 - in San Ysidro, California, there was a mass shooting at a McDonald's. Twenty-one people were killed, and 19 were seriously wounded.

Mass shootings are not new. We just haven't had as many as this past years or so.

We don't need laws changed, or new laws on the books. I believe that they should be strictly enforced. We cannot prevent ALL incidents like these. But we need to stop putting a band-aid on the problem. We need to get to the root of the problem and correct it.
At times, they are falling through the cracks.
Some say, "It's not my problem. Why should I do anything about it?"
I say, "It's everyone's problem. We all live in this society. We all have to deal with it. If we are going to be a community at all."

Of course, there are those out there, that don't want to be "part of the community". So, they rather blame others for the problem.

"Man is his own worst enemy."

It can all be tracked to the lack of discipline and no respect for authority taught in the government halls of indoctrination over the law 50+ years. Society has been on a steady decline since.

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Bullshit. It can all be tracked to demonizing “others” and to the easy availability of mass killing weapons.

 

[Nosmo King]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

The common postings, the White Nationalist phrases; 'invasion', 'infestation', 'vermin', 'criminal'. After the Tree of Life here in Pittsburgh, after Christchurch, New Zealand, after Charleston, South Carolina, after El Paso after all these preventable tragedies White Narionalism is linked to the shooter.

More Americans have bee killed and wounded by White Nationalist attacks than by attacks by ISIS. Aren't White Nationalists due the same scrutiny as members of ISIS?

 

[Dragonlady]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

Patrick Crusius didn't have a "warped" sense of reality. He hated immigrants and thought they were an invasion destructive to this country. Unless you want to label half the posters here "warped," he knew exactly what he was up to and his "opinon" is not that far from what many others think.

How many of those on this board taken a ton of guns and ammunition and went out and went on a mass killing spree. I have never seen an opinion kill someone. I will admit I don't get hating other people to the point of killing anyone, so it is beyond my comprehension.

If you’ve “never seen an opinion kill somebody” you haven’t been paying attention. When anti-abortionists started labelling abortion providers as “murderers”, the rabid among them started shooting abortion providers and bombing abortion clinics. This is the history of the so-called “right to life” movement. They justified the killings by saying they were saving hundreds of babies from being aborted.

Just like Trump justifies abusing refugees as preventing American deaths from criminal illegals.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Obviously not.

The only reason you feel the need to be armed is because there's so many guns out there.

Obviously not? Wow, really?

It is the very bottom line of why these shootings happen. The person who flips out does so because they have an agenda against people they simply cannot tolerate.

I rarely go about armed, though I have a CC permit. When I do go armed, I have specific reasons and they have little to do with people. Well, with most people.

Maybe you should learn that yours is not the only opinion in the world. You should learn that people can and do disagree with you. Mostly, you should learn that you don't have to actually do anything other than making an argument for your opinion and then let it go. You'll live longer and the world will be a little bit safer.

Yes obviously not. We live in an armed society and you are advocating expressly for people to be impolite.

Incorrect. I am arguing for the exact opposite.

If you find someone whom you disagree with, you have two choices. You can tolerate what they say (Which means you disagree with them but won't kill them for it) or you can be intolerant.

My choice is a peaceful one. You choice, not so much.

LOL... so now "intolerant" to you means wanting to kill someone?

Another derranged lunatic.

Do you know what tolerant means? It means that you can disagree with someone and even think they have value, without wanting to silence them, or hurt them, or even kill them.

So, intolerant means that you disagree and will NOT allow them to express their view, will not permit them to speak, will not permit them in the public square at all.

You're not exactly showcasing your tolerance, are you?

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Because you're a paranoid lunatic and a pussy

Spare us the macho routine. You're not going to shame us into giving up our right to arms.

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I'm laughing. If you feel shamed by that then maybe there's a spark of normalcy left.

No. That's the thing. Your shame tactics do not work.

I can be the wimpiest weakling to walk the earth, and it won't matter. A 9mm is a 9mm.

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I've already told you. I'm laughing. I said nothing of shaming you, dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

Umm. Mil-Spec is ALREADY NOT AVAILABLE.

See, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It's pointless talking to you.

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Sure it is. The only thing missing is the rate of fire option.

Even with the "rate of fire" option, these rifles are not built to handle that load. They are not the same weapons. They are cute little ranch rifles. Nothing more.

Have you ever fired an AR15?

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Nonsense. I can get the same barrel, receiver, bolt and carrier. That's everything.
I can fire NATO spec ammo. How is that different?

Have I fired?

LOL...
I'm an Army veteran. I've fired more rounds than you could ever afford to buy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Why are you so scared? No one is going to cut off your dick?

I don’t own a single gun and probably will never own one for the rest of my life.

Good for you.

I am not scared of anything out of the ordinary. I am armed.

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I am not scared of anything out of the ordinary. I am armed.

LOL...
Just in case.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

I think there are agenda's, but that it is not lost.

However, to teach tolerance is to teach that even conservatives and republican's have a point of view that is valid, even if you don't agree.

More parents than schools, but that's a whole different lane.

Sorry buddy. The point of view that says Mexicans are "wetbacks, criminals or rapists" is not valid. There really arent " very fine people on both sides". You're labelled as "deplorable " because you are.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

Patrick Crusius didn't have a "warped" sense of reality. He hated immigrants and thought they were an invasion destructive to this country. Unless you want to label half the posters here "warped," he knew exactly what he was up to and his "opinon" is not that far from what many others think.

He was intolerant. My point made.

Intolerant isn't an action. It's a frame of mind.
He's intolerant of immigrants in just the same way you are. He just lashed out physically.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

Until it doesn't it does.

Which means nothing as no change has been made.

 

[pknopp]

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

Until it doesn't it does.

Which means nothing as no change has been made.

No there hasn't.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And? How did you then make the jump to OKC?

Your statements. You said banning certain weapons would change tactics (I'm asking if that is a positive thing) and said it would be less effective (I showed where it wouldn't).

Then I said OKC was a one off. It certainly hasn't been repeated. Has it? Not to mention, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it at anytime. Oh, wait there is. We banned the sale of large quantities of fertilizer to the general public.

No we didn't ban anything of significance. I could hit the local box stores and have a pretty powerful IED in less than 24 hours.

You're not informed. Stop.

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Wow! You're admitting that?

Admitting that I understand science and know where to go get the items I need to make the reaction I want?

I should be jailed.



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Who said anything about being jailed?

Most normal people don't walk around home depot formulating truck bombs that can take out half a federal building.

Get help, dude.

 

[OKTexas]

Not sure if anyone remembers, it was on July 18, 1984 - in San Ysidro, California, there was a mass shooting at a McDonald's. Twenty-one people were killed, and 19 were seriously wounded.

Mass shootings are not new. We just haven't had as many as this past years or so.

We don't need laws changed, or new laws on the books. I believe that they should be strictly enforced. We cannot prevent ALL incidents like these. But we need to stop putting a band-aid on the problem. We need to get to the root of the problem and correct it.
At times, they are falling through the cracks.
Some say, "It's not my problem. Why should I do anything about it?"
I say, "It's everyone's problem. We all live in this society. We all have to deal with it. If we are going to be a community at all."

Of course, there are those out there, that don't want to be "part of the community". So, they rather blame others for the problem.

"Man is his own worst enemy."

It can all be tracked to the lack of discipline and no respect for authority taught in the government halls of indoctrination over the law 50+ years. Society has been on a steady decline since.

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Bullshit. It can all be tracked to demonizing “others” and to the easy availability of mass killing weapons.

Then perhaps you commies should stop demonizing everyone who disagrees with you. But semiauto weapons have been available to the public for more than 110 years. The steady decline of morality and personal responsibility in the country is relatively new and can be tracked directly to the removal of discipline in the schools, starting in the early 60's. That's about the time you commies started taking over the education system and the very reason I chose not to bring children into this world.

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[pknopp]

Not sure if anyone remembers, it was on July 18, 1984 - in San Ysidro, California, there was a mass shooting at a McDonald's. Twenty-one people were killed, and 19 were seriously wounded.

Mass shootings are not new. We just haven't had as many as this past years or so.

We don't need laws changed, or new laws on the books. I believe that they should be strictly enforced. We cannot prevent ALL incidents like these. But we need to stop putting a band-aid on the problem. We need to get to the root of the problem and correct it.
At times, they are falling through the cracks.
Some say, "It's not my problem. Why should I do anything about it?"
I say, "It's everyone's problem. We all live in this society. We all have to deal with it. If we are going to be a community at all."

Of course, there are those out there, that don't want to be "part of the community". So, they rather blame others for the problem.

"Man is his own worst enemy."

It can all be tracked to the lack of discipline and no respect for authority taught in the government halls of indoctrination over the law 50+ years. Society has been on a steady decline since.

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Bullshit. It can all be tracked to demonizing “others” and to the easy availability of mass killing weapons.

Then perhaps you commies should stop demonizing everyone who disagrees with you. But semiauto weapons have been available to the public for more than 110 years. The steady decline of morality and personal responsibility in the country is relatively new and can be tracked directly to the removal of discipline in the schools, starting in the early 60's. That's about the time you commies started taking over the education system and the very reason I chose not to bring children into this world.

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The mentally ill can not heal themselves.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

It certainly does.

Really?
What class of licsense is required to own a fully automatic weapon legally?

Is that a restriction?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Derp...
It will certainly stop attacks with semi automatic rifles of the type banned. The type most effective and chosen by the shooters.

This tells me that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

The AR platform is one of MANY. You've just found your boogyman from your masters and their list of talking points, and you're running with it.

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Where did I mention the AR platform in what you responded to? I said "of the type banned".

And only the type banned. The problem is that to actually be effective, you have to ban all other types.

Which is why we believe that your real objective is complete ban and confiscation. It is the only logical conclusion.

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Who says they wouldn't all be banned?

No, that's exactly what I am saying.

All guns will be banned if you get your way.

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Assault weapons, fool.
You have problems following conversations.