Mass killings

[Darkwind]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

Patrick Crusius didn't have a "warped" sense of reality. He hated immigrants and thought they were an invasion destructive to this country. Unless you want to label half the posters here "warped," he knew exactly what he was up to and his "opinon" is not that far from what many others think.

He was intolerant. My point made.

 

[Blues Man]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

So when that idiot teacher told some poor little girl that John McCain was going to make sure he daddy who was a soldier would stay in Iraq for 100 years that was promoting tolerance?

N.C. School teacher browbeats student over being a McCain supporter

 

[Blues Man]

The Dayton shooter was using a 100 round drum magazine.

Which proves he is an idiot. Those things fail more often than not.

The 40-round magazine is in common use, and it is NOT going away.

Turn your attention elsewhere. Like...to the shooter himself.

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Okay. Let's get rid of the Dickey Amendment and allow the CDC to do some real research into what is causing this rash of gun violence. Great minds there. Let's use them to at least identify the root of the problem. I've heard everything from mental health to single mothers.
Let's get to the root. Like all complex problems, there is much more than one answer.

The Dickey amendment never prohibited the CDC from doing research all it did was prevent the CDC form using money allocated for research to promote political agendas like gun control because political activism is not the part of the CDC's mandate.

Pretty sure we've had this conversation before and I'm not going through it again.

Yeah you were wrong then too

You posted the verbiage of the Dickey amendment and you still can't see that there was absolutely no prohibition of any research?

 

[Lakhota]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

 

[OldLady]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

So when that idiot teacher told some poor little girl that John McCain was going to make sure he daddy who was a soldier would stay in Iraq for 100 years that was promoting tolerance?

N.C. School teacher browbeats student over being a McCain supporter

Are you reasonable about ANYTHING? I mean, we're working through the list here and you are a consistent asshole everytime. Are you PoliticalChic's sock or what?

 

[Blues Man]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

As well as a one off.

You argued for changing tactics.

And? How did you then make the jump to OKC?

Your statements. You said banning certain weapons would change tactics (I'm asking if that is a positive thing) and said it would be less effective (I showed where it wouldn't).

Then I said OKC was a one off. It certainly hasn't been repeated. Has it? Not to mention, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it at anytime. Oh, wait there is. We banned the sale of large quantities of fertilizer to the general public.

No we didn't ban anything of significance. I could hit the local box stores and have a pretty powerful IED in less than 24 hours.

You're not informed. Stop.

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Wow! You're admitting that?

 

[Lakhota]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

Not when it calls for the violent extermination of non-whites! That is not free speech - that is hate speech and should be prosecuted.

 

[Blues Man]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

So when that idiot teacher told some poor little girl that John McCain was going to make sure he daddy who was a soldier would stay in Iraq for 100 years that was promoting tolerance?

N.C. School teacher browbeats student over being a McCain supporter

Are you reasonable about ANYTHING? I mean, we're working through the list here and you are a consistent asshole everytime. Are you PoliticalChic's sock or what?

Hey you want to tell me and millions of people that we can't own a rifle because some nut job used a similar rifle to kill people so that must mean if one teacher is an outright asshole then all teachers should be blamed for it

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Did he need it? Do muslim terrorists need it as well?

I can't say.

All I can say is that banning a certain class of weapons will not change anything.

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Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

 

[Blues Man]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

Not when it calls for the violent extermination of non-whites! That is not free speech - that is hate speech and should be prosecuted.

No such thing.

Speech is speech

I guess we have fallen a long way from the "I disagree with what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it" attitude these days

 

[pknopp]

I can't say.

All I can say is that banning a certain class of weapons will not change anything.

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Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

Until it doesn't it does.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You argued for changing tactics.

And? How did you then make the jump to OKC?

Your statements. You said banning certain weapons would change tactics (I'm asking if that is a positive thing) and said it would be less effective (I showed where it wouldn't).

Then I said OKC was a one off. It certainly hasn't been repeated. Has it? Not to mention, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it at anytime. Oh, wait there is. We banned the sale of large quantities of fertilizer to the general public.

No we didn't ban anything of significance. I could hit the local box stores and have a pretty powerful IED in less than 24 hours.

You're not informed. Stop.

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Wow! You're admitting that?

Admitting that I understand science and know where to go get the items I need to make the reaction I want?

I should be jailed.



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[Darkwind]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

^^^^'

Hater of free speech and thought, promoter of intolerance.

 

[Darkwind]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

Not when it calls for the violent extermination of non-whites! That is not free speech - that is hate speech and should be prosecuted.

Unpopular speech is the most protected speech of all.

What's the matter, are you unable to counter their rhetoric?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The type is absolutely relevant. It seems to be the "tool" of choice. Why is that? Because that is what it's designed for.

These "kids" do it because the equipment needed is readily available. It's not just kids. The Vegas shooter was no kid. No doubt why his attack was more devastating.

So you think if you just ban semi automatic rifles that will stop it? It’s that type of oversimplified thinking that solves nothing and is a great example of that ten second soundbite thinking. We have had guns in the country for a long time and they could be purchased more easily back in the 60s and 70s than they can today now granted those back then could not do the damage the ones today can even so mass shootings were rare and school shootings unheard of. So clearly something has changed between then and now and until that is addressed nothing is going to be solved.

So you think if you just ban semi automatic rifles that will stop it?

Derp...
It will certainly stop attacks with semi automatic rifles of the type banned. The type most effective and chosen by the shooters.

This tells me that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

The AR platform is one of MANY. You've just found your boogyman from your masters and their list of talking points, and you're running with it.

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Where did I mention the AR platform in what you responded to? I said "of the type banned".

And only the type banned. The problem is that to actually be effective, you have to ban all other types.

Which is why we believe that your real objective is complete ban and confiscation. It is the only logical conclusion.

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Who says they wouldn't all be banned?

 

[Darkwind]

I can't say.

All I can say is that banning a certain class of weapons will not change anything.

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Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

.

Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

There is one reason. The 2nd Amendment. Argue you believe it outdated but until you change it, it is what it is.

It certainly doesn't protect your right to own anything without restriction.

It certainly does.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

As well as a one off.

You argued for changing tactics.

And? How did you then make the jump to OKC?

Your statements. You said banning certain weapons would change tactics (I'm asking if that is a positive thing) and said it would be less effective (I showed where it wouldn't).

Then I said OKC was a one off. It certainly hasn't been repeated. Has it? Not to mention, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it at anytime. Oh, wait there is. We banned the sale of large quantities of fertilizer to the general public.

No. It is not difficult to get enough fertilizer. We did that to feel safe.

We have been.
Unless there's something you're planning that you'd like to share.

 

[Lakhota]

How 8chan Became A Breeding Ground For Violent Extremism

Violent hate sites must be shut down and prosecuted.

Yes no one can say anything you disagree with right, Comrade?

Not when it calls for the violent extermination of non-whites! That is not free speech - that is hate speech and should be prosecuted.

Unpopular speech is the most protected speech of all.

What's the matter, are you unable to counter their rhetoric?

It's hard to counter when the president endorses and incites it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So you think if you just ban semi automatic rifles that will stop it? It’s that type of oversimplified thinking that solves nothing and is a great example of that ten second soundbite thinking. We have had guns in the country for a long time and they could be purchased more easily back in the 60s and 70s than they can today now granted those back then could not do the damage the ones today can even so mass shootings were rare and school shootings unheard of. So clearly something has changed between then and now and until that is addressed nothing is going to be solved.

So you think if you just ban semi automatic rifles that will stop it?

Derp...
It will certainly stop attacks with semi automatic rifles of the type banned. The type most effective and chosen by the shooters.

This tells me that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

The AR platform is one of MANY. You've just found your boogyman from your masters and their list of talking points, and you're running with it.

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Where did I mention the AR platform in what you responded to? I said "of the type banned".

And only the type banned. The problem is that to actually be effective, you have to ban all other types.

Which is why we believe that your real objective is complete ban and confiscation. It is the only logical conclusion.

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Who says they wouldn't all be banned?

No, that's exactly what I am saying.

All guns will be banned if you get your way.

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