Mass killings

[Issa]

Hahahahahaha it always makes me laugh when Americans say but we have freedom lol. As if other countries dont.
To those idiots I say here is a freedom that matters:
The US ranks the worst in homelessness
Crimes
Medical coverage
Life expectancy
Most jailed
Highest education tuitions/debt per student

How did you come to the conclusion that freedom exist only in America? Where most Americans witha a majority cant even appoint a president. Where interest group have more power than the citizens. Freedom my ass.

To what freedoms were you referring?

I find it ironic that "most jailed" seems to be the great government cure for homelessness, crime, life expectancy, medical coverage, and tuition.

And, if we decided to remove a government trying to give us so much "protection" by putting us all in jail, we would only be capable of doing that HOW?

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Goodluck fighting an army with your pistol.
So what freedom the US that other. Countries dont ?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Because you're a paranoid lunatic and a pussy

Spare us the macho routine. You're not going to shame us into giving up our right to arms.

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I'm laughing. If you feel shamed by that then maybe there's a spark of normalcy left.

 

[Blues Man]

In both El Paso and Ohio the shooter was taken down in less than a minute after they started shooting. Fortunately there were armed police at the scene.

At least one of the attacks was a crazed leftist pursuing an antifa agenda. Will we hear more about that

Just think, if they'd had single shot rifles they probably would have only gotten 2-3 shots off.

What did the Texas Tower sniper shoot with?

The response time was just a bit more than "less.than a minute" so it's irrelevant.

A person who only has a single shot rifle will plan the most effective way to use it if he is hell bent on mass murder.

Of course. It will still most likely be a smaller body count than being able to walk into a crowd pump out 30-40 rounds in less than a minute.

Maybe not.

How many handguns can a person conceal on his body? Multiply that by 10 rounds er handgun

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Did he need it? Do muslim terrorists need it as well?

I can't say.

All I can say is that banning a certain class of weapons will not change anything.

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Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

Umm. Mil-Spec is ALREADY NOT AVAILABLE.

See, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It's pointless talking to you.

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Sure it is. The only thing missing is the rate of fire option.

 

[Blues Man]

The Dayton shooter was using a 100 round drum magazine.

Which proves he is an idiot. Those things fail more often than not.

The 40-round magazine is in common use, and it is NOT going away.

Turn your attention elsewhere. Like...to the shooter himself.

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Okay. Let's get rid of the Dickey Amendment and allow the CDC to do some real research into what is causing this rash of gun violence. Great minds there. Let's use them to at least identify the root of the problem. I've heard everything from mental health to single mothers.
Let's get to the root. Like all complex problems, there is much more than one answer.

The Dickey amendment never prohibited the CDC from doing research all it did was prevent the CDC form using money allocated for research to promote political agendas like gun control because political activism is not the part of the CDC's mandate.

 

[Darkwind]

And, an armed society makes a polite society.

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Obviously not.

The only reason you feel the need to be armed is because there's so many guns out there.

Obviously not? Wow, really?

It is the very bottom line of why these shootings happen. The person who flips out does so because they have an agenda against people they simply cannot tolerate.

I rarely go about armed, though I have a CC permit. When I do go armed, I have specific reasons and they have little to do with people. Well, with most people.

Maybe you should learn that yours is not the only opinion in the world. You should learn that people can and do disagree with you. Mostly, you should learn that you don't have to actually do anything other than making an argument for your opinion and then let it go. You'll live longer and the world will be a little bit safer.

Yes obviously not. We live in an armed society and you are advocating expressly for people to be impolite.

Incorrect. I am arguing for the exact opposite.

If you find someone whom you disagree with, you have two choices. You can tolerate what they say (Which means you disagree with them but won't kill them for it) or you can be intolerant.

My choice is a peaceful one. You choice, not so much.

LOL... so now "intolerant" to you means wanting to kill someone?

Another derranged lunatic.

Do you know what tolerant means? It means that you can disagree with someone and even think they have value, without wanting to silence them, or hurt them, or even kill them.

So, intolerant means that you disagree and will NOT allow them to express their view, will not permit them to speak, will not permit them in the public square at all.

You're not exactly showcasing your tolerance, are you?

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Because you're a paranoid lunatic and a pussy

Spare us the macho routine. You're not going to shame us into giving up our right to arms.

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I'm laughing. If you feel shamed by that then maybe there's a spark of normalcy left.

No. That's the thing. Your shame tactics do not work.

I can be the wimpiest weakling to walk the earth, and it won't matter. A 9mm is a 9mm.

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[Papageorgio]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

 

[charwin95]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Why are you so scared? No one is going to cut off your dick?

I don’t own a single gun and probably will never own one for the rest of my life.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I can't say.

All I can say is that banning a certain class of weapons will not change anything.

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Sure it will. It will change the tactics and effectiveness of these type of attacks.

Really? How so?

A firearm is a firearm. They all shoot the same speed.

Quit lying to yourself.

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Then there's no reason to make military spec weaponry available to the public. I mean if they're all the same, you won't miss them.

Umm. Mil-Spec is ALREADY NOT AVAILABLE.

See, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It's pointless talking to you.

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Sure it is. The only thing missing is the rate of fire option.

Even with the "rate of fire" option, these rifles are not built to handle that load. They are not the same weapons. They are cute little ranch rifles. Nothing more.

Have you ever fired an AR15?

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[pknopp]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Why are you so scared? No one is going to cut off your dick?

I don’t own a single gun and probably will never own one for the rest of my life.

I do not either and likely never will either. I have to note about a lot of things that it isn't just about me.

 

[charwin95]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Who is WE? when majority of gun ownership supports new gun laws against these military assaults weapons.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Why are you so scared? No one is going to cut off your dick?

I don’t own a single gun and probably will never own one for the rest of my life.

Good for you.

I am not scared of anything out of the ordinary. I am armed.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Maybe yes maybe no...... but it’s a start.

Right. Exactly.

This is BY NO MEANS the end game. Ban and confiscation is.

Thanks for proving my point.

We will give not one inch.

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Who is WE? when majority of gun ownership supports new gun laws against these military assaults weapons.

Who? How do you know?

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[OldLady]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

 

[OldLady]

The Dayton shooter was using a 100 round drum magazine.

Which proves he is an idiot. Those things fail more often than not.

The 40-round magazine is in common use, and it is NOT going away.

Turn your attention elsewhere. Like...to the shooter himself.

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Okay. Let's get rid of the Dickey Amendment and allow the CDC to do some real research into what is causing this rash of gun violence. Great minds there. Let's use them to at least identify the root of the problem. I've heard everything from mental health to single mothers.
Let's get to the root. Like all complex problems, there is much more than one answer.

The Dickey amendment never prohibited the CDC from doing research all it did was prevent the CDC form using money allocated for research to promote political agendas like gun control because political activism is not the part of the CDC's mandate.

Pretty sure we've had this conversation before and I'm not going through it again.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

I think you are missing the point of what type of teaching he was describing. Or maybe it was another poster.

Children should be trained in the safety and proper use of firearms AT SCHOOL.

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[Darkwind]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

I think there are agenda's, but that it is not lost.

However, to teach tolerance is to teach that even conservatives and republican's have a point of view that is valid, even if you don't agree.

More parents than schools, but that's a whole different lane.

 

[OldLady]

I was watching Fox yesterday after his 'manifesto' was announced. In the forty-five minutes or so after I switched channels, Fox pundits warned of the danger of video games, but hardly mentioned the weapon and its capabilities.

If the Right Wing wants to play that cultural game I say being it on!

Exhibit A: No one ever jacked a liquor store with an Xbox.

Exhibit B: Video games are a world wide media outlet that dominates the film industry. Are other mass shootings around the world the fault of video games?

Other mass shootings around the world are seen by us as acts of terrorism. Because that's exactly what they are. When people from the Middle East use mass murder to advance their politics, we call it Islamic terrorism.

How can we not see that these mass shootings are politically motivated? White Nationalism has been given a winking eye by this presidency. Are we going to call mass shootings with political motives terrorism?

I agree with you on the danger of video games not being the real issue. For those with mental issues, I could see it, however 99% of Americans can play the games and not go on a shooting spree.

I can can agree on the shootings being an act of terrorism because they are. Many act of terror all over the world, some groups claim responsibility, those are political.

The terrorist acts in the mass killing in the United States are not political and are not tied to any organization or organizations. The mass shooters in the United States seem to have a warped sense of reality and mental disorders.

Patrick Crusius didn't have a "warped" sense of reality. He hated immigrants and thought they were an invasion destructive to this country. Unless you want to label half the posters here "warped," he knew exactly what he was up to and his "opinon" is not that far from what many others think.

 

[Darkwind]

Right now we live in a nightmarish society. But it’s OUR society; surely we can vote—or if necessary, violently shove—our way out of this ugly, intolerable situation! Only the most irresponsible, cowardly GENERATION would just let it continue. Those kids and other human brethren getting massacred are YOURS.

Time to make it a number one voting booth priority; if your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate won’t put a stop to it, get rid of them until we have a Congress that will get the job done—including a veto override as necessary. If we can’t do that, we don’t deserve our Constitution.

It’s really that simple, granted that it couldn’t just happen overnight: time to clarify and ultimately rectify that way-out-of-date Second Amendment—and to hell with the NRA, which today struggles to justify private ownership of military weaponry whose only legitimate purpose is to allow combat soldiers and law enforcement personnel to kill as many bad guys as possible as quickly as people—as distinguished from just making them available to anyone with enough money to buy one or indeed as many as they can afford, no questions asked.


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Here is an idea. How about we start teaching very young children, and continue to teach them right tup through adulthood, to tolerate people they disagree with?

That is what teachers are trying to do; toleration requires a bit of understanding. But it is being labeled as communist propaganda by a large number of the conservatives here. Can I take it that you are not one of those who thinks public education is a Democratic/Socialist indoctrination center?

I think you are missing the point of what type of teaching he was describing. Or maybe it was another poster.

Children should be trained in the safety and proper use of firearms AT SCHOOL.

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At the very least, they should be trained that it is not the tool, but the intolerant person who is the problem.