Mass shooters target gun-free zones

[koshergrl]

No one has shot up any of the schools that I went to, or knew people at, either - and all of them were "gun free zones".

So we agree that children at schools should be protected from the rampant gun abuse in our country.

Oh wait, you didn't agree. You think they should just be shot to bits while people on the sidelines wring their hands and wait for the cavalry.

I don't think that "gun abuse" in our schools is "rampant" enough to justify any hysterical reactionary responses - I agree with neither the calls to ban guns, nor the calls to arm teachers.

There are not a whole lot of people calling to arm teacher (they exist but are not the thrust of the point or all that popular). Instead, most recognize that we would be better off if teachers were able to arm THEMSELVES. There is little functional difference between putting an armed guard on campus and allowing a responsible teacher with a CC permit to carry. I do not see the issue with something like this.

The issue is, if they are able to defend themselves, they will be able to defend the children, and the mass shootings of kids would stop. And if those mass shootings stop, the gun grabbers don't have a justification for taking our guns.

No, the gun grabbers are not evil. They truly believe that they are trying to do what is best. The problem is that their belief is run by emotional knee jerk reactions and ignoring any hard data on the subject.

We do this all over the country - pass law and policy that is engendered to make us fell like we have done something to make us safer while not accomplishing anything at all. My local grade school does this. They have this strict policy that the doors need to be locked at all times and adults are buzzed in by the office. You cannot move around in the school without an office secretary escorting you. This makes the parents feel like their children are safer from such things like mass shootings.

In reality, those measures do nothing at all. If I wanted entry not only would they openly grant it but the 'escort' would be nothing more than the first casualty. Silly protocols so everyone gets a warm fuzzy. the very concept is disheartening.

I don't believe anybody is that stupid. It is patently obvious that gun bans do not make people safe, PARTICULARLY at schools. NOBODY is that stupid...to not understand the connection between posting "GUN FREE ZONE" and mass shootings.

The gun grabbers are the SAME PEOPLE who fight tooth and nail to keep infanticide on demand legal in this country, and they are the SAME PEOPLE who think we should euthanize people based on their *quality of life*. They don't value life, and they certainly don't give a shit about any of the people in rural Oregon. Do you hear the way they talk about them? How they call them stupid, and sneer at them? You really think they give a rat's ass about their lives? Of course they don't. They wish those people would die, so they wouldn't have to deal with them anymore. And it is a COLOSSAL mistake to give them any credit for *caring*.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Good thing there was an armed and trained man at the site of the Oregon shooting.

It is easier for a mass shooter to get a gun in this country than any other country on the planet.

So why do we advertise the vulnerability of our schools?

In fact, why does this country even have gun laws anyways?

Because an appeal to extremes does not a counter argument make...

Okay. Same reason they have "drug free zone" signs at schools. To show that penalties are worse in that zone.

 

[Brain357]

Tell us something we don't already know. And America is not alone in being affected by this phenomenon.

Of course, it's just..to use a term the gun grabbers like to use..."common sense". Of COURSE people who want to kill as many people as quickly as possible are going to target groups of people who have advertised their utter vulnerability:

"Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual."


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Better start arming children.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[OnePercenter]

Better start arming children.

Put more/any police on campuses.

 

[koshergrl]

Tell us something we don't already know. And America is not alone in being affected by this phenomenon.

Of course, it's just..to use a term the gun grabbers like to use..."common sense". Of COURSE people who want to kill as many people as quickly as possible are going to target groups of people who have advertised their utter vulnerability:

"Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual."


Read more at Would-be killers target gun-free zones

Better start arming children.

Children don't need to be armed if the people who are in charge of them have the sense to be.

"...
one thing is clear to law enforcement officials there: The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries.
As soon as he heard the first of five gunshots, that officer and the two school administrators he was talking to raced toward the commotion shouting their presence and ordering students and staff to follow the school’s lock-down protocol.
As a result, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a briefing Saturday afternoon, the heavily-armed shooter realized he was about to be confronted by an armed officer, and he took his own life.
“We believe that that action was absolutely critical to the fact that we didn’t have more deaths and injuries,” Sheriff Robinson said. The whole episode – from the time the shooter entered the school until he shot himself – lasted just one minute and 20 seconds."

Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students' lives at Colorado high school

 

[Brain357]

Better start arming children.

Put more/any police on campuses.

Sounds ok but expensive. Tax the rich?

 

[koshergrl]

"... 16-year-old Luke Woodham entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., armed with his estranged father's hunting rifle and dozens of cartridges. When Woodham opened fire, vice principal Joel Myrick sprinted to the parking lot, grabbed a Colt .45 automatic pistol from his truck and forced the gunman to surrender by pointing the gun at his head. This limited the casualties to two students killed and seven wounded. In 1998, Andrew Wurst, 14, opened fire on an eighth-grade graduation dance in Edinboro, Pa. The owner of the banquet hall where the dance was being held grabbed a shotgun from his office and quickly confronted Wurst, who dropped his gun. The toll was thus limited to one slain teacher and two wounded students."

Arm Teachers To Stop Shootings

 

[OnePercenter]

The NRA, the marketing concern for gun manufacturers has already done so.

 

[koshergrl]

Better start arming children.

Put more/any police on campuses.

Sounds ok but expensive. Tax the rich?

Teachers and school admin can take a salary reduction.

 

[OnePercenter]

"... 16-year-old Luke Woodham entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., armed with his estranged father's hunting rifle and dozens of cartridges. When Woodham opened fire, vice principal Joel Myrick sprinted to the parking lot, grabbed a Colt .45 automatic pistol from his truck and forced the gunman to surrender by pointing the gun at his head. This limited the casualties to two students killed and seven wounded. In 1998, Andrew Wurst, 14, opened fire on an eighth-grade graduation dance in Edinboro, Pa. The owner of the banquet hall where the dance was being held grabbed a shotgun from his office and quickly confronted Wurst, who dropped his gun. The toll was thus limited to one slain teacher and two wounded students."

Arm Teachers To Stop Shootings

Police officers would have done the same thing.

BTW; both cases were propagated by irresponsible weapon owners.

 

[Vigilante]

The NRA, the marketing concern for gun manufacturers has already done so.

Is this a BLAME GUNS, NOT THE FUCKS THAT USE THEM TO KILL, answer?

 

[Brain357]

"... 16-year-old Luke Woodham entered Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., armed with his estranged father's hunting rifle and dozens of cartridges. When Woodham opened fire, vice principal Joel Myrick sprinted to the parking lot, grabbed a Colt .45 automatic pistol from his truck and forced the gunman to surrender by pointing the gun at his head. This limited the casualties to two students killed and seven wounded. In 1998, Andrew Wurst, 14, opened fire on an eighth-grade graduation dance in Edinboro, Pa. The owner of the banquet hall where the dance was being held grabbed a shotgun from his office and quickly confronted Wurst, who dropped his gun. The toll was thus limited to one slain teacher and two wounded students."

Arm Teachers To Stop Shootings

After he was already trying to leave.

 

[OnePercenter]

Sounds ok but expensive. Tax the rich?

Use my plan and put people to work and you'll have all the money you need.


-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2015 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with 500 employees or less, employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2015 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

My plan would reduce small business costs for employees and taxes to 30%. That's a 15%-30% drop.



My plan would put BILLIONS into the economy daily.



My plan would put the $100 trillion plus currently owned by corporate America back into the economy.



My plan would end all welfare.



My plan would significantly increase social security and pension payments.



My plan would hold prices for 10 years, thus eliminating inflation.

 

[Brain357]

Better start arming children.

Put more/any police on campuses.

Sounds ok but expensive. Tax the rich?

Teachers and school admin can take a salary reduction.

You are a moron.

 

[OnePercenter]

The NRA, the marketing concern for gun manufacturers has already done so.

Is this a BLAME GUNS, NOT THE FUCKS THAT USE THEM TO KILL, answer?

The issue you brought up was 'politicizing.'

 

[Vigilante]

The NRA, the marketing concern for gun manufacturers has already done so.

Is this a BLAME GUNS, NOT THE FUCKS THAT USE THEM TO KILL, answer?

The issue you brought up was 'politicizing.'

Yes, it's a bitch when I use DemocRAT tactics, and people aren't smart enough to know that I am!

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many of you RW gun rights extremists have children in college at a gunfree campus?

Any of you man enough to admit it?

 

[FA_Q2]

Good thing there was an armed and trained man at the site of the Oregon shooting.

It is easier for a mass shooter to get a gun in this country than any other country on the planet.

So why do we advertise the vulnerability of our schools?

In fact, why does this country even have gun laws anyways?

Because an appeal to extremes does not a counter argument make...

Okay. Same reason they have "drug free zone" signs at schools. To show that penalties are worse in that zone.

Different situations. Drugs are illegal everywhere - the zone simply increases the penalty for an already illegal activity.
AFAIK, gun free zones (at least at schools) make the act of carrying illegal.

 

[FA_Q2]

How many of you RW gun rights extremists have children in college at a gunfree campus?

Any of you man enough to admit it?

Do you left wing gun grabber extremists have a point with this?

I assume that you are not thinking of something so asinine as to think someone should forgo college because they disagree with a political issue.