Mass shooters target gun-free zones

Tell us something we don't already know. And America is not alone in being affected by this phenomenon.

Of course, it's just..to use a term the gun grabbers like to use..."common sense". Of COURSE people who want to kill as many people as quickly as possible are going to target groups of people who have advertised their utter vulnerability:

"Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual."


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Outta be good ammo for a legal challenge of gun-free zoning. If lawful gun owners are put at a disadvantage, but criminals coming for a shooting spree don't take much notice of the law, then you would think it's simply an impediment to lawful self-defense and thus unconstitutional.
You would think so. And it is unconstitutional, and Oregon lawmakers have DETERMINED that it's unconstitutional.

And yet the schools can still put the no-guns ban in place on school grounds, and expel kids and fire teachers for violating it.
 
Tell us something we don't already know. And America is not alone in being affected by this phenomenon.

Of course, it's just..to use a term the gun grabbers like to use..."common sense". Of COURSE people who want to kill as many people as quickly as possible are going to target groups of people who have advertised their utter vulnerability:

"Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual."


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Outta be good ammo for a legal challenge of gun-free zoning. If lawful gun owners are put at a disadvantage, but criminals coming for a shooting spree don't take much notice of the law, then you would think it's simply an impediment to lawful self-defense and thus unconstitutional.
You would think so. And it is unconstitutional, and Oregon lawmakers have DETERMINED that it's unconstitutional.

And yet the schools can still put the no-guns ban in place on school grounds, and expel kids and fire teachers for violating it.

The gun-free zoning thing is a federal law. Skimmed the code yesterday. Be worth looking who voted in favor of it whenever it got passed into law.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.
 
Tell us something we don't already know. And America is not alone in being affected by this phenomenon.

Of course, it's just..to use a term the gun grabbers like to use..."common sense". Of COURSE people who want to kill as many people as quickly as possible are going to target groups of people who have advertised their utter vulnerability:

"Since at least 1950, all but two public mass shootings in America have taken place where general citizens are banned from carrying guns. In Europe, there have been no exceptions. Every mass public shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone. And Europe is no stranger to mass shootings. It has been host to three of the six worst K-12 school shootings and by far the worst mass public shooting perpetrated by a single individual."


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Outta be good ammo for a legal challenge of gun-free zoning. If lawful gun owners are put at a disadvantage, but criminals coming for a shooting spree don't take much notice of the law, then you would think it's simply an impediment to lawful self-defense and thus unconstitutional.

It just about eliminats accidental shootings.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

I don't even know what you are trying to say.

However, I have seen at least 4 posters on this board state that they have no intention to go anywhere without their weapon, (short of a place with a metal detector), "no gun zone" or not.

And, being an officer of the law myself (Sheriff Auxiliary volunteer), I know that deputies do not search anyone without probable cause. Any case they made that way would be thrown out of court and they would soon lose their job.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.
 
I love how lefties are actively arguing against protecting the innocent.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.
 
You guys ever hear of "suicide by cop"? They intend to die by being shot .If the cops don't do it, they do it themselves. Sure, they are going to kill people in the meantime. I am not convinced that an armed person would make much difference at the scene. In fact, unless the shooter is an idiot, the shooter would target him first if he can identify him. If he can't, then anybody in the crowd may have a gun concealed, whether it is a "no gun zone" or not. How the hell is anyone going to enforce a "no gun zone" against a "good" person carrying a concealed weapon? Your whole argument makes no sense at all.
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.

No. Only 12 million choose to carry in a country of over 300 million. The criminal is unlikely to run into one. And if he did the criminal has all the advantages.
 
A bad guy is going to lose a draw down with some "good guy" who has no idea that he is about to be a target, even though the bad guy is going to draw first, and the good guy would take seconds just to process what is going on, much less get to his holster? Hell, the bad guy has already got his gun aimed before that.

I don't think so. the "good guy" would have a better chance of surviving if his gun is concealed. At least that way, he may not be the first one shot.
 
Jaywalk or come into some other interaction with the police and they end up searching you and finding a weapon - go to jail. Why would a person subject themselves to that? They would not.

There is no grounds for you to believe that there is a real difference in meeting a cop or an armed citizen to the perpetrator. The result is the same. You claim that others arguments make no sense when you are demanding that there are arbitrary differences in an armed citizen stopping a crazy person and an armed cop without any reason behind it.

Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.

No. Only 12 million choose to carry in a country of over 300 million. The criminal is unlikely to run into one. And if he did the criminal has all the advantages.
Really?

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Only a tiny percent of people carry. Gun free zone or not the criminal is unlikely to run into one. And since they are suicidal it is unlikely it would change their actions.
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.

No. Only 12 million choose to carry in a country of over 300 million. The criminal is unlikely to run into one. And if he did the criminal has all the advantages.
Really?

Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dayton Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder - % stationx.name %] ABC 22 News :: News - Top Stories

Woman who shot intruder in her Newport News home speaks out

Woman shoots, kills intruder in Detroit

Trayvon was the victim.

You examples are intruders at homes. Has nothing to do with comcealed carry or mass shootings.
 
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.

No. Only 12 million choose to carry in a country of over 300 million. The criminal is unlikely to run into one. And if he did the criminal has all the advantages.
Really?

Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dayton Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder - % stationx.name %] ABC 22 News :: News - Top Stories

Woman who shot intruder in her Newport News home speaks out

Woman shoots, kills intruder in Detroit

Trayvon was the victim.

You examples are intruders at homes. Has nothing to do with comcealed carry or mass shootings.

I already posted multiple examples of mass shootings that were prevented or where the death count was inarguably reduced thanks to an armed citizen.

Like I said, I like to see you people argue to increase the body counts.
 
Yeah...each year mass shootings kill less than 75 people...

according to bill clinton and his Department of Justice, Americans use guns 1.5 million times each uear to stop violent criminal attack...

funny how you always over look the times that guns save lives...


let's see...can you tell which number is bigger....

75 victims in a bad year


1.5 million violent crimes stopped.....

keeping in mind that you guys have created the gun free zones that allow these guys to kill those people.

Gee, the lie was "over 2 million times" a few weeks ago.

Were you lying then or lying now? Or lying both times?


No...the average of all the studies done over 40 years, showed that Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack 2 million times a year....I post the 1.5 number because that is the number that bill clinton found through his anti gun study.....

I don't loe...I am not a lefty.
 
They die quicker, so it does change their actions because time = lives.

No it doesn't because the chance of dying quicker is very slim.
Now you're just babbling.

No. Only 12 million choose to carry in a country of over 300 million. The criminal is unlikely to run into one. And if he did the criminal has all the advantages.
Really?

Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dayton Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder - % stationx.name %] ABC 22 News :: News - Top Stories

Woman who shot intruder in her Newport News home speaks out

Woman shoots, kills intruder in Detroit

Trayvon was the victim.

You examples are intruders at homes. Has nothing to do with comcealed carry or mass shootings.


Trayvon was the attacker.....moron.
 
Fort Hood was a gun free zone? Who knew?
If you have ever been to a military base you would understand exactly how moronic that statement is.

It essentially is a gun free zone.


I have been to a military fort and yes...they are gun free zones. Only the M.P.s carry weapons and the 2 fort hood dhooters went to gun free areas.
 

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