McDonald Shooting: Justifiable ? Or Not ?

[protectionist]

Yep, the cop was in mortal danger from the 3in knife at 20 ft away.
Now proceed to tell us about how dangerous the black kid was.

I don't have to proceed to do that. I already did it in the OP, and a dozen times throughout this thread, which you haven't read, which is why you're mistakenly talking to me about a knife. Read Baby! Read! Then come back when you're prepared.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yep, the cop was in mortal danger from the 3in knife at 20 ft away.
Now proceed to tell us about how dangerous the black kid was.

I don't have to proceed to do that. I already did it in the OP, and a dozen times throughout this thread, which you haven't read, which is why you're mistakenly talking to me about a knife. Read Baby! Read! Then come back when you're prepared.

I read it and you're still full of shit.
Obviously your assessment doesn't stand scrutiny. There was no gun. The cop is no longer a cop. He is charged and will no doubt be convicted. Yours is nothing but a sad rant lamenting the loss of police autonomy in these matters. Cameras and technology are changing the world. Opinions like yours are increasingly falling on deaf ears as the world sees for themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

the Union is legally obligated to provide him a defense attorney.

But he's still going to prison for this.

That's what they said about George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson.

They didn't have video contradicting their bullshit stories. Nor was there clear evidence of a police coverup. (There was a police coverup, but it wasn't blatant like it is here.)

I'd still like to know what happened to the Audio on that police video.

Also, Illinois isn't a Cleetus-land state like FL or MO. Alvarez isn't going to cover up like the guy in Missouri did. She's already in enough trouble with the voters here.

 

[JoeB131]

You have proven that you're incapable of wanting justice.

Justice is this cop going to jail for the rest of his life and getting ass-raped daily by the brothers in prison.

That's justice.

 

[JoeB131]

And as I asked you > "when MR Home Invader shows up, how do you keep him from killing you ?"

You'll tell him he cant kill you, because the statistics aren't right Maybe you COULD sing him a song ? You could try it. I'll stick with my .380.

PS - I didn't see any link on that "43 times more likely" (not that it means a damn thing to me)

Look up "Kellerman Study". Not my job to do your research for you.

PPS - did you ever stop to think that just maybe because some family members are getting killed by guns in the house, is because there is someone in the house who is a killer ? Well, if there is someone in your house who is a killer, you need to get that person OUT of your house. They can kill with or without a gun. (gas, poison, fire, knife, etc)

Actually,t he Kellerman Study found that for every bad guy who got shot, there were 39 Suicides, 1 accident and 3 murders.

Most of those three murders were domestic arguments that escalated, not that the person was a career murderer.

 

[JQPublic1]

Abetter question would be: "why are the majority of "Negroes" NOT involved in criminal activity."

Huh?

Why the surprise? The news media thrives on so-called Black criminality and continuously projects the notion that Blacks are a race of criminals. You just verified that falsehood in your preceding statement. See how subtly you have been indoctrinated. The frightening thing is there are millions like you who are unaware that they have been brainwashed,

Because it has no logic

The logic is there you just have to be smart enough to comprehend it...heh heh heh!

Oh please explain

Why bother? It's over your head!

 

[JQPublic1]

The news media thrives on so-called Black criminality and continuously projects the notion that Blacks are a race of criminals. You just verified that falsehood in your preceding statement. See how subtly you have been indoctrinated. The frightening thing is there are millions like you who are unaware that they have been brainwashed,

The news media thrives on alleged police criminality, and continuously projects the notion that cops are a band of criminals. You just verified that falsehood in your preceding statement. See how subtly you have been indoctrinated ? The frightening thing is there are millions like you who are unaware that they have been brainwashed

You have authored a post that exemplifies the foulest sophistry, dude. Parroting my response to another poster and applying it to your twisted worldview is reprehensible. The news media's portrayal of criminality as being pandemic among blacks is seemingly justified by a race based statistical disparity that takes a small fraction of Black criminals and turns them into representatives of the entire Black community. That certainly isn't the case with police officers. Where are the statistics that project the number of unjustified police killings compared to their representation in the US population as a whole? Only when and IF that data is compiled and published can a comparison, such as you have hinted at, be made

 

[JQPublic1]

HA HA! I seriously doubt if "Protectionist's Law" holds up in any court room setting! Although the first two shots might have been fatal, the officer firing didn't know that at the time. WIth the subject down and on the ground the threat was neutralized. Any shots fired after that just reflected the mean murderous spirit of the cop. His intent was to kill and not just to neutralize the threat. I guess he was not a pro-life cop.

I agree that the officer could not know if the first 2 shots were fatal. Therefore, the threat was NOT neutralized , and was very much still active. All the more reason for him to keep firing, as a possibly still alive suspect could pull a gun and shoot the officer.

Also, don't you know that police ARE SUPPOSED TO KILL threatening suspects, because there is no other way to neutralize a threat in a case like this. Try reading the OP to get a handle on this. You are way off the mark here.

No, police are NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL unarmed or disarmed threatening suspects; especially when that suspect is walking away from them and there are other less deadly options.
Other officers at the scene did not draw their weapons and even commented after the shooting about the senseless loss of life. Are you second guessing them too?

Now, I realize just how evil you are, Protectionist. You and the killer cop are two of a kind...
Kill, kill, kill at the slightest provocation.... Hopefully, there is accountability in the afterlife.

 

[JQPublic1]

You rationalizing white fuck heads are so far gone, only God and a wad of gum can make anything you say, worthy. How in the fuck do you people sleep at night, how? A 17 year old with bullets in his body on the ground...can somehow miraculously get up and fire at a officer???? So help me, I live for the day, your race goes through the shit nigga's go through in this country and yes, your days are coming and its coming fast......the bible speaks of the first shall be last and the last shall be first...I just hate that I won't be around to wittness you bastards and your whines of injustice in this country.

1. So you're saying he has to "get up" to fire his gun ? Pheeeew!! (high-pitched whistle) Let me fill you in. In both Army and Army National Guard and Security Officer license training, I was trained that if you have to engage an opponent in a shootout, and you are out in the open, you are SUPPOSED to fall to the ground, and shoot from the PRONE POSITION, thereby making yourself a smaller target , and harder for your opponent to hit you.

2. What Blacks go through in this country ? HERE'S what they go through. They get PREFERENCE over Whites in AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, giving them a racist, unfair advantage over Whites, in college admissions, college financial aid, job hiring, job promotions, business loans, etc. Also, Hispanics (I am 50%) and Asians are also discriminated against. Years ago, I was denied an assistantship in college (as were 16 other non-Blacks), and all the assistantships were given only to Blacks. That anti-White, anti-Hispanic, anti-Asian racism caused all my 5 years of college to be be totally wasted and down the drain, as I couldn't afford to continue my studies. It ruined my work life for decades, and now in retirement, I still suffer reduced Social Security payments because of the lower paid jobs I had to settle for, all my life, when Blacks who got those assistantships, stayed in school and graduated with the degree. And then they were being given the better jobs as a result of that, + the preference in AA job hiring. You don't know what you're talking about., and you're falling for the race hustlers' SCAM talk like a ton of bricks.

1. I doubt you have ever been in the military.You fall to the ground and shoot from a prone position when you come under fire in a field combat situation, not in an urban setting. Police officers are taught to bend at the waist, crouch and shoot at center mass in such a scenario.
Are you suggesting that the officer should have shot from the prone position or are you saying he might have interpreted the subject's actions as moving to a prone position to shoot back?
In either case, the other officers at the scene condemned the shooter's actions.

2. So here comes the real reason for your hatred of Blacks and your complete concurrence with the murderous actions of the killer cop. Your Affirmative Action anecdote with it's "oh, poor me" theme underlines your racist bitterness and masks your failures. If you really had ambition, nothing would have stopped you from reaching your goals. Stop blaming Blacks for you own failures and move on. Affirmative Action didn't stop your brighter White brothers and sisters... in fact it helped White women most of all.

 

[protectionist]

I read it and you're still full of shit.
Obviously your assessment doesn't stand scrutiny. There was no gun. The cop is no longer a cop. He is charged and will no doubt be convicted. Yours is nothing but a sad rant lamenting the loss of police autonomy in these matters. Cameras and technology are changing the world. Opinions like yours are increasingly falling on deaf ears as the world sees for themselves.

If you read it, then that means instead of being careless, you're just plain STUPID. (or a lousy liar)

As the Rock of WWE fame would say >> IT DOESN'T MATTER if he had a gun or not, floundering fool. The mere fact that his hand was not visible, and was in his pocket, is enough cause for a cop (or anyone) to shoot in self-defense. It's simple. If you don't want to get shot, SHOW YOUR HANDS. Otherwise, you're dead meat. All these morons who are getting shot, are getting shot for the same reason > being STUPID. Lesson to be learned ? Don't be STUPID. If you are, you're GOING TO BE SHOT,and not just by cops.

 

[jc456]

You rationalizing white fuck heads are so far gone, only God and a wad of gum can make anything you say, worthy. How in the fuck do you people sleep at night, how? A 17 year old with bullets in his body on the ground...can somehow miraculously get up and fire at a officer???? So help me, I live for the day, your race goes through the shit nigga's go through in this country and yes, your days are coming and its coming fast......the bible speaks of the first shall be last and the last shall be first...I just hate that I won't be around to wittness you bastards and your whines of injustice in this country.

1. So you're saying he has to "get up" to fire his gun ? Pheeeew!! (high-pitched whistle) Let me fill you in. In both Army and Army National Guard and Security Officer license training, I was trained that if you have to engage an opponent in a shootout, and you are out in the open, you are SUPPOSED to fall to the ground, and shoot from the PRONE POSITION, thereby making yourself a smaller target , and harder for your opponent to hit you.

2. What Blacks go through in this country ? HERE'S what they go through. They get PREFERENCE over Whites in AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, giving them a racist, unfair advantage over Whites, in college admissions, college financial aid, job hiring, job promotions, business loans, etc. Also, Hispanics (I am 50%) and Asians are also discriminated against. Years ago, I was denied an assistantship in college (as were 16 other non-Blacks), and all the assistantships were given only to Blacks. That anti-White, anti-Hispanic, anti-Asian racism caused all my 5 years of college to be be totally wasted and down the drain, as I couldn't afford to continue my studies. It ruined my work life for decades, and now in retirement, I still suffer reduced Social Security payments because of the lower paid jobs I had to settle for, all my life, when Blacks who got those assistantships, stayed in school and graduated with the degree. And then they were being given the better jobs as a result of that, + the preference in AA job hiring. You don't know what you're talking about., and you're falling for the race hustlers' SCAM talk like a ton of bricks.

1. I doubt you have ever been in the military.You fall to the ground and shoot from a prone position when you come under fire in a field combat situation, not in an urban setting. Police officers are taught to bend at the waist, crouch and shoot at center mass in such a scenario.
Are you suggesting that the officer should have shot from the prone position or are you saying he might have interpreted the subject's actions as moving to a prone position to shoot back?
In either case, the other officers at the scene condemned the shooter's actions.

2. So here comes the real reason for your hatred of Blacks and your complete concurrence with the murderous actions of the killer cop. Your Affirmative Action anecdote with it's "oh, poor me" theme underlines your racist bitterness and masks your failures. If you really had ambition, nothing would have stopped you from reaching your goals. Stop blaming Blacks for you own failures and move on. Affirmative Action didn't stop your brighter White brothers and sisters... in fact it helped White women most of all.

funny your definition of hate and here you are full of it here. funny hypocrite libturd

 

[jc456]

Yep, the cop was in mortal danger from the 3in knife at 20 ft away.
Now proceed to tell us about how dangerous the black kid was.

I don't have to proceed to do that. I already did it in the OP, and a dozen times throughout this thread, which you haven't read, which is why you're mistakenly talking to me about a knife. Read Baby! Read! Then come back when you're prepared.

I read it and you're still full of shit.
Obviously your assessment doesn't stand scrutiny. There was no gun. The cop is no longer a cop. He is charged and will no doubt be convicted. Yours is nothing but a sad rant lamenting the loss of police autonomy in these matters. Cameras and technology are changing the world. Opinions like yours are increasingly falling on deaf ears as the world sees for themselves.

you don't understand. You are one naive dude. You think the scenario won't be replayed? you're nuts. It isn't like this was the first one. And you still don't get it. lost little lib.

 

[dannyboys]

Yep, the cop was in mortal danger from the 3in knife at 20 ft away.
Now proceed to tell us about how dangerous the black kid was.

I don't have to proceed to do that. I already did it in the OP, and a dozen times throughout this thread, which you haven't read, which is why you're mistakenly talking to me about a knife. Read Baby! Read! Then come back when you're prepared.

I read it and you're still full of shit.
Obviously your assessment doesn't stand scrutiny. There was no gun. The cop is no longer a cop. He is charged and will no doubt be convicted. Yours is nothing but a sad rant lamenting the loss of police autonomy in these matters. Cameras and technology are changing the world. Opinions like yours are increasingly falling on deaf ears as the world sees for themselves.

The Pros made a fatal error by overcharging the LEO purely for political reasons and to placate the stupid negro community. Don't worry though. They'll get their chance to loot and burn down their OWN shithole.
The Police Union has hired the best defense team in the country to defend the LEO.
'Murder 1??????' Not on this planet.
Now the Pros. can't bring a lesser charge. 'All in'.
The LEO walks from M1 100% guaranteed.
The LEO will plead to manslaughter and pretty much never see a day in prison.
The Pros. has already read the attending LEO's testimonies. One or more of the LEO's will state the fucking negro thug told them he had a gun in his pocket. End of case.

 

[protectionist]

They didn't have video contradicting their bullshit stories. Nor was there clear evidence of a police coverup. (There was a police coverup, but it wasn't blatant like it is here.)

I'd still like to know what happened to the Audio on that police video.

Also, Illinois isn't a Cleetus-land state like FL or MO. Alvarez isn't going to cover up like the guy in Missouri did. She's already in enough trouble with the voters here.

The video VERIFIES Van Dyke's story. The kid was concealing his left hand. Case closed. Like Zimmerman and WIlson, he never should have been charged, and only was to pacify the rioters led by the Obama/Sharpton/Jackson/Crump race hustler machine.
As for police coverup, that also verifies what I just said. Pure pandering.
As for the audio, you mean the one with Laquan McCormick telling the cops that he had a gun ? That audio ?

 

[protectionist]

You have proven that you're incapable of wanting justice.

Justice is this cop going to jail for the rest of his life and getting ass-raped daily by the brothers in prison.

That's justice.

And you're one of this "brothers", is that what we're seeing here ? BROTHER ?

 

[protectionist]

Look up "Kellerman Study". Not my job to do your research for you.
,t he Kellerman Study found that for every bad guy who got shot, there were 39 Suicides, 1 accident and 3 murders.
Most of those three murders were domestic arguments that escalated, not that the person was a career murderer.

Oh but it very much IS YOUR JOB. NO, I won't look it up. It's not my job to do YOUR research for YOU. You made a statement The burden is on YOU. You back it up, or admit you have no basis for it. That's how it works in computer forums.

PS - liberals like to toss "studies" around. They never consider that conservatives are wise to that. Theyare the boys who cried wolf. Too many times their illustrious "studies" have turned out to be hogwash propaganda.
EARTH TO JOE: For every study, there is another study telling just the opposite. Ho hum.
When they tell me there's a "study" that concludes that cats can't jump, I'll stick with the statistics of my eyes and ears. They don't lie.

 

[protectionist]

Why bother? It's over your head!

The news media thrives on so-called Black criminality by continuously rejecting the notion that Blacks are a race of criminals, and instead projects the notion that Blacks are just poor, misunderstood, deprived, nice guys, with underprivileged childhoods. Then they project that the cops and White people are the bad guys, and deserve to be arrested, or discriminated against in that national disgrace known as affirmative action. But then, this may all be "over your head". You think ?

 

[protectionist]

You have authored a post that exemplifies the foulest sophistry, dude. Parroting my response to another poster and applying it to your twisted worldview is reprehensible. The news media's portrayal of criminality as being pandemic among blacks is seemingly justified by a race based statistical disparity that takes a small fraction of Black criminals and turns them into representatives of the entire Black community. That certainly isn't the case with police officers. Where are the statistics that project the number of unjustified police killings compared to their representation in the US population as a whole? Only when and IF that data is compiled and published can a comparison, such as you have hinted at, be made

You talk about statistics. well of course, That's the standard sugar-coated shield liberals always think they czn hid behind. Problem is, as I just told liberal Joey a few posts ago >> " liberals like to toss "studies" around. They never consider that conservatives are wise to that. They are the boys who cried wolf. Too many times their illustrious "studies" have turned out to be hogwash propaganda.
EARTH TO JOE: For every study, there is another study telling just the opposite. Ho hum.
When they tell me there's a "study" that concludes that cats can't jump, I'll stick with the statistics of my eyes and ears. They don't lie.

PS - when you blab about statistics, it is customary to PROVIDE those statistics. So you ask where are the statistics ? Where are YOUR statistics ? I don't see any coming from you, Mr. Statistics

 

[protectionist]

No, police are NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL unarmed or disarmed threatening suspects; especially when that suspect is walking away from them and there are other less deadly options.
Other officers at the scene did not draw their weapons and even commented after the shooting about the senseless loss of life. Are you second guessing them too?

Now, I realize just how evil you are, Protectionist. You and the killer cop are two of a kind...
Kill, kill, kill at the slightest provocation.... Hopefully, there is accountability in the afterlife.

1. Yes, police ARE SUPPOSED to shoot in self-defense, when they are unable to assess if a suspect is armed or not. They can even shoot when someone is unarmed if they are threat. And the law protects them. And the self-defense law not only protects them, it also protects private citizens who are legally armed (ex. George Zimmerman). And it makes no reference to armed or unarmed.

2. McCormick didn't seem to be walking away. He was walking parallell to the cops + he suddenly spun around (in which he could have pulled out a gun with his bocy blocking the cop's view.

3. You show no evidence that other officers did not draw their weapons. Here (at 4:04 of the link video) it clearly shows 2 cops BOTH WITH GUNS DRAWN AND POINTING AT MCCDONALD.. Since your first statement is proven FALSE, I'm willing to guess your second one about the cops comments is too. Also, it doesn't matter what they comment. All that matters is what occured, which apparently was a legal police, self-defense shooting, caused by suspect stupidity, demonized to pander to and pacify the riot gangs.

No charge for the tutoring.

PS - stop lying (especially when there is video, to catch you red-handed)

 

[protectionist]

1. I doubt you have ever been in the military.You fall to the ground and shoot from a prone position when you come under fire in a field combat situation, not in an urban setting. Police officers are taught to bend at the waist, crouch and shoot at center mass in such a scenario.
Are you suggesting that the officer should have shot from the prone position or are you saying he might have interpreted the subject's actions as moving to a prone position to shoot back?
In either case, the other officers at the scene condemned the shooter's actions.

2. So here comes the real reason for your hatred of Blacks and your complete concurrence with the murderous actions of the killer cop. Your Affirmative Action anecdote with it's "oh, poor me" theme underlines your racist bitterness and masks your failures. If you really had ambition, nothing would have stopped you from reaching your goals. Stop blaming Blacks for you own failures and move on. Affirmative Action didn't stop your brighter White brothers and sisters... in fact it helped White women most of all.

1. No dummy. I was refuting your dumb comment about Laquan getting up, remember ? And Laquan couldn't have "moved to a prone position", - he was already in it. Sheesh! I have to explain everything ? Again, you provide no evidence of the other officers comments or actions. So fasr, I am the only one who has done that (by video)

2. What the "Oh poor me" theme underlines is what the Black Lives Matter movement and all the loons at Univ of Missouri, and all the looters and rioters all claim., They calim THEY are the poor mistreated, oppressed and discrimated against, when just the opposite is true. I don't see any affirmative action giving preference to Whites ahead of Blacks. It is all to give preference to Blacks over Whites, and YOU KNOW IT. So stop lying.

3. The "helped White women most of all" liberal talking point is one I've trounced 100 times in this forum. It is entirely FALSE. Actually, for every White woman helped by affirmative action discrimination, there are 100 white women WIVES, DAUGHTERS, MOTHERS, etc of white men who are discriminated against by this hypocritical abomination, and whose livelihoods are intertwined, (if not entirely dependent on) those victimized white men.

4. You are just another phony liberal, pretending that Blacks are the victims of discrimination and racism, when you know damn well they are the beneficiaries of it, and Whites (and often other non-Blacks) are truly the victims
of it, an since you have the MSM on your side, you continue to push the lie. You ought ot be ashamed of your self. You will pay in the end.

5. As far as you doubting that I was in the military, I doubt that you doubt.