measles outbreak because some people are stupid

[Pogo]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

I blame those who are not vetting illegals for infectious diseases.

Many diseases that have been eradicated for decades in the US are starting again due to this fact.

Linkie?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Here's a good piece on the topic, shared in full with permission by its author. Emphasis is mine.

Vaccine Controversy Shows Why We Need Markets, Not Mandates


If I were still a practicing ob-gyn and one of my patients said she was not going to vaccinate her child, I might try to persuade her to change her mind. But, if I were unsuccessful, I would respect her decision. I certainly would not lobby the government to pass a law mandating that children be vaccinated even if the children’s parents object.

Sadly, the recent panic over the outbreak of measles has led many Americans, including some self-styled libertarians, to call for giving government new powers to force all children to be vaccinated.

Those who are willing to make an “exception” to the principle that parents should make health care decisions for their children should ask themselves when in history has a “limited” infringement on individual liberty stayed limited. By ceding the principle that individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on health freedom.

If government can mandate that children receive vaccines, then why shouldn’t the government mandate that adults receive certain types of vaccines? And if it is the law that individuals must be vaccinated, then why shouldn’t police officers be empowered to physically force resisters to receive a vaccine? If the fear of infections from the unvaccinated justifies mandatory vaccine laws, then why shouldn’t police offices fine or arrest people who don’t wash their hands or cover their noses or mouths when they cough or sneeze in public? Why not force people to eat right and take vitamins in order to lower their risk of contracting an infectious disease? These proposals may seem outlandish, but they are no different in principle from the proposal that government force children to be vaccinated.

By giving vaccine companies a captive market, mandates encourage these companies to use their political influence to expand the amount of vaccine mandates. An example of how vaccine mandates may have led politics to override sound science is from my home state of Texas. In 2007, the then-Texas governor signed an executive order forcing eleven and twelve year old girls to receive the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, even though most young girls are not at risk of HPV. The Texas legislature passed legislation undoing the order following a massive public outcry, fueled by revelations that the governor’s former chief of staff was a top lobbyist for the company that manufactured the HPV vaccine.

The same principles that protect the right to refuse vaccines also protect the right of individuals to refuse to associate with the unvaccinated. Private property owners have the right to forbid those who reject vaccines from entering their property. This right extends to private businesses concerned that unvaccinated individuals could pose a risk to their employees and customers. Consistent application of the principles of private property, freedom of association, and individual responsibility is the best way to address concerns that those who refuse vaccines could infect others with disease.

Giving the government the power to override parental decisions regarding vaccines will inevitably lead to further restrictions on liberties. After all, if government can override parental or personal health care decisions, then what area of our lives is off-limits to government interference? Concerns about infection from the unvaccinated can be addressed by consistent application of the principles of private property and freedom of association. Instead of justifying new government intrusion into our lives, the vaccine debate provides more evidence of the need to restore respect for private property and individual liberty.

Copyright © 2015 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.

 

[Clipper]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

Tell that to your pal Trump who has publicly spoken out against vaccinations.

Not surprising coming from that meathead. Is there anything that dope is knowledgeable about?

 

[skye]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

I blame those who are not vetting illegals for infectious diseases.

Many diseases that have been eradicated for decades in the US are starting again due to this fact.

Indeed. We are now importing diseases we conquered within the U.S. decades ago. It's not going to end well.

I wholeheartedly agree!

 

[TNHarley]

Here's a good piece on the topic, shared in full with permission by its author. Emphasis is mine.

Vaccine Controversy Shows Why We Need Markets, Not Mandates


If I were still a practicing ob-gyn and one of my patients said she was not going to vaccinate her child, I might try to persuade her to change her mind. But, if I were unsuccessful, I would respect her decision. I certainly would not lobby the government to pass a law mandating that children be vaccinated even if the children’s parents object. Sadly, the recent panic over the outbreak of measles has led many Americans, including some self-styled libertarians, to call for giving government new powers to force all children to be vaccinated.

Those who are willing to make an “exception” to the principle that parents should make health care decisions for their children should ask themselves when in history has a “limited” infringement on individual liberty stayed limited. By ceding the principle that individuals have the right to make their own health care decisions, supporters of mandatory vaccines are opening the door for future infringements on health freedom.

If government can mandate that children receive vaccines, then why shouldn’t the government mandate that adults receive certain types of vaccines? And if it is the law that individuals must be vaccinated, then why shouldn’t police officers be empowered to physically force resisters to receive a vaccine? If the fear of infections from the unvaccinated justifies mandatory vaccine laws, then why shouldn’t police offices fine or arrest people who don’t wash their hands or cover their noses or mouths when they cough or sneeze in public? Why not force people to eat right and take vitamins in order to lower their risk of contracting an infectious disease? These proposals may seem outlandish, but they are no different in principle from the proposal that government force children to be vaccinated.

By giving vaccine companies a captive market, mandates encourage these companies to use their political influence to expand the amount of vaccine mandates. An example of how vaccine mandates may have led politics to override sound science is from my home state of Texas. In 2007, the then-Texas governor signed an executive order forcing eleven and twelve year old girls to receive the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, even though most young girls are not at risk of HPV. The Texas legislature passed legislation undoing the order following a massive public outcry, fueled by revelations that the governor’s former chief of staff was a top lobbyist for the company that manufactured the HPV vaccine.

The same principles that protect the right to refuse vaccines also protect the right of individuals to refuse to associate with the unvaccinated. Private property owners have the right to forbid those who reject vaccines from entering their property. This right extends to private businesses concerned that unvaccinated individuals could pose a risk to their employees and customers. Consistent application of the principles of private property, freedom of association, and individual responsibility is the best way to address concerns that those who refuse vaccines could infect others with disease.

Giving the government the power to override parental decisions regarding vaccines will inevitably lead to further restrictions on liberties. After all, if government can override parental or personal health care decisions, then what area of our lives is off-limits to government interference? Concerns about infection from the unvaccinated can be addressed by consistent application of the principles of private property and freedom of association. Instead of justifying new government intrusion into our lives, the vaccine debate provides more evidence of the need to restore respect for private property and individual liberty.

Copyright © 2015 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.

I loved that. Thanks

 

[Bush92]

Washington state has over 30 confirmed cases and more suspected.. just that state...because some people are scared of vaccines.
You are stupid and selfish https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/number-of-confirmed-measles-cases-in-western-washington-grows-to-36/281-e6788405-1a55-49df-8a74-706f3ad31b65

Liberals kooks.

 

[Bush92]

why are they allow to endanger other children?

Your people. Your nutty liberals.

 

[boedicca]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

Tell that to your pal Trump who has publicly spoken out against vaccinations.

Not surprising coming from that meathead. Is there anything that dope is knowledgeable about?

Oh, blah blah blah so sleeepy....zzzzzz

Here is what he actually said. He thinks shots should be giving moderately over time instead of a bunch at once. Ewwwwww Scawy.

"When I was growing up, autism wasn't really a factor," Trump said. "And now all of a sudden, it's an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We've giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children."

He made the comments following a press conference at his Mar-A-Lago estate announcing a fundraising and lobbying push by Autism Speaks to get the brain disorder covered under private insurance policies.

And:

"When a little baby that weighs 20 pounds and 30 pounds gets pumped with 10 and 20 shots at one time, with one injection that's a giant injection, I personally think that has something to do with it. Now there's a group that agrees with that and there's a group that doesn't agree with that."

Referring to his and his wife Melania's 22-month-old son Baron, Trump continued: "What we've done with Baron, we've taken him on a very slow process. He gets one shot at a time then we wait a few months and give him another shot, the old-fashioned way. But today they pump the children with so much at a very young age. We do it on a very, very conservative level."

The long, sordid antivaccine history of Donald Trump | ScienceBlogs

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

Please stop. Immigrants are vaccinated unlike morons who listen to morons.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

I blame those who are not vetting illegals for infectious diseases.

Many diseases that have been eradicated for decades in the US are starting again due to this fact.

Linkie?

Hardly a need for a link...….it's easy enough to figure out.



Here in the US, we have generally vaccinated against much of those diseases and have nearly wiped them out. Then people didn't want the vaccines and were doing fine.

Along comes immigrants from around the world that does not vaccinate. The people are either currently sick or carrying the virus's and everyone's stuffed into a crowded elevator and those virus's are having a hayday.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Washington state has over 30 confirmed cases and more suspected.. just that state...because some people are scared of vaccines.
You are stupid and selfish https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/number-of-confirmed-measles-cases-in-western-washington-grows-to-36/281-e6788405-1a55-49df-8a74-706f3ad31b65

/----/ 1957, I was in first grade and measles hit almost every kid in class including me. When it was over, I had lost 80 % hearing in my left ear and 20% loss in my right. Not until the digital hearing aids came out about 8 years ago, did I find help. I can now hear in stereo for the first time in 60 years. My kids and grandkids get their vaccinations.

Said a Trump supporter.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Washington state has over 30 confirmed cases and more suspected.. just that state...because some people are scared of vaccines.
You are stupid and selfish https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/number-of-confirmed-measles-cases-in-western-washington-grows-to-36/281-e6788405-1a55-49df-8a74-706f3ad31b65

So people who didn't get vaccinated are encountering the results of their own decisions, and that is selfish?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

I blame those who are not vetting illegals for infectious diseases.

Many diseases that have been eradicated for decades in the US are starting again due to this fact.

Of course you do.

 

[G.T.]

Yes, anti-vaxxers are morons. It doesn't help that we are allowing people into our country without vetting them for absence of infectious diseases as well.

I blame those who are not vetting illegals for infectious diseases.

Many diseases that have been eradicated for decades in the US are starting again due to this fact.

Linkie?

Hardly a need for a link...….it's easy enough to figure out.



Here in the US, we have generally vaccinated against much of those diseases and have nearly wiped them out. Then people didn't want the vaccines and were doing fine.

Along comes immigrants from around the world that does not vaccinate. The people are either currently sick or carrying the virus's and everyone's stuffed into a crowded elevator and those virus's are having a hayday.

So the claim here...just to be clear...

is that "along cones immigrants" is something...

new??

or somethings that....wasnt the case...

at ANY point?

ever????

 

[Natural Citizen]

I loved that. Thanks

The most dangerous faction to Individual civil liberties in America today is the Moderate vote. No doubt about it.

The pharmaceutical industry lobbyists will line up in droves if this one goes through. Could you imagine the amount of drugs they'll be shooting into children under two years old all at once? Give em an inch, they'll take a mile. Guaranteed. At the barrel of a government gun, no less.

The worst part about this stuff is the proven revolving door between the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA. One month a guy or group of people are testing their own concoction at the drug company they work for and then the next month they're over there working at the FDA approving their own drug. We've seen that reported too many times.

 

[LoneLaugher]

why are they allow to endanger other children?

If the other children are vaccinated and it actually works then who exactly is endangered except for those who made their choice on not getting vaccinated?

Moron.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

why are they allow to endanger other children?

The vaccinated children aren't at risk. Because they're vaccinated.

 

[G.T.]

Washington state has over 30 confirmed cases and more suspected.. just that state...because some people are scared of vaccines.
You are stupid and selfish https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/number-of-confirmed-measles-cases-in-western-washington-grows-to-36/281-e6788405-1a55-49df-8a74-706f3ad31b65

So people who didn't get vaccinated are encountering the results of their own decisions, and that is selfish?

No.

Vaccinations give the ailment a small % chance of being contracted.

When you're exposed to the disease, that % increases no matter what - vaccinations are not fool proof. They produce anti-bodies, not body ARMOR.

 

[G.T.]

why are they allow to endanger other children?

The vaccinated children aren't at risk. Because they're vaccinated.

That's false.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Thats not how vaccines work, gramp.

That's exactly how they work. Enough with this bullshit that people are claiming--that my vaccine is only effective if you are vaccinated as well. Fucking stupidity.