JD Vance's pledge to 'abandon' Ukraine a ‘catastrophic mistake’ | William Hague

[ESay]

I've asked you a question - what makes you think either Ukraine or Putin is interested in freezing conflict along current war front line?

Do you have any answer? because from everything Putin has ever indicated Ukraine has to give up all 5 regions within their administrative borders, which is far greater territory than what Russia currently occupies or can hope to capture.

Ukraine is interested. The Zelensky administration is not. Putin is ready for that, but he wants more territory.

 

[berg80]

JD wrote this.........

What Trump offers is an easy escape from the pain. To every complex problem, he promises a simple solution. He can bring jobs back simply by punishing offshoring companies into submission. As he told a New Hampshire crowd—folks all too familiar with the opioid scourge—he can cure the addiction epidemic by building a Mexican wall and keeping the cartels out. He will spare the United States from humiliation and military defeat with indiscriminate bombing. It doesn’t matter that no credible military leader has endorsed his plan. He never offers details for how these plans will work, because he can’t. Trump’s promises are the needle in America’s collective vein.

Opioid of the Masses

To many Americans, Donald Trump feels good, but he can’t fix America’s growing social and cultural crisis, and the eventual comedown will be harsh.

www.theatlantic.com

......before his integrity was compromised, co-opted by political ambition.

 

[pknopp]

The Reagan´s Republican party is totally lost ....

Not totally. The debt continues.

 

[ESay]

Tough to see that happening under the current state of affairs

Yes, I agree. This depends much of how the so called Global South really wants to end this war. And what policy of the new US administration will be. If there won't be a will to make Russia and Ukraine sit and negotiate, then the things are bad for Ukraine. It can't win this war of attrition.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine is interested. The Zelensky administration is not. Putin is ready for that, but he wants more territory.

I don't know what bolded means. Either Putin is willing to remove parts of Zaporozhie, Kherson, LNR and DNR from Russian constitution or he is not. There is not half-way about this - it's a yes or no.


Zelensky's administration represents Ukraine last I checked, a position delegated to him by the people of Ukraine.

There is no indication that Ukrainians are somehow ready to remove Zelensky, or even show popular support for conceeding 5 regions to Russia as part of peace agreement.

 

[Orangecat]

OF COS YOU ARE, you are one of them...
MAGAs hate drag queens but they have no problem with trump and Vance wearing makeup, wigs, and high heels (lifts)

I don’t hate anyone. I just don’t want my taxes funding your war.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine is interested. The Zelensky administration is not.

Zelensky is 100% right....

 

[ESay]

I don't know what bolded means. Either Putin is willing to remove parts of Zaporozhie, Kherson, LNR and DNR from Russian constitution or he is not. There is not half-way about this - it's a yes or no.


Zelensky's administration represents Ukraine last I checked, a position delegated to him by the people of Ukraine.

There is no indication that Ukrainians are somehow ready to remove Zelensky, or even show popular support for conceeding 5 regions to Russia as part of peace agreement.

Of course Putin won't gey away from those regions. But he will try to get more in the meantime.

He was delegated trough May 2024.

 

[AntonToo]

Of course Putin won't gey away from those regions. But he will try to get more in the meantime.

He was delegated trough May 2024.

You are not being coherent.

If Putin has no interest in removing Zaporozhie and Kherson from Russian constitution then by definition he has no interest in a peace deal that would end conflict along current front lines.

 

[Litwin]

We are supporting the entirely of Ukrainian economy. We are paying salaries and pensions.

NOT REALLY .

ps

Not all Republicans support Putin genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. The US Congress is preparing a bill to return Ukraine to borders

Not all Republicans support Putin and his unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. Here’s one example. Support for Ukraine in its existential conflict with the HORDE actually has significant bipartisan support — as it should. The United States must achieve Ukraine's...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ESay]

You are not being coherent.

If Putin has no interest in removing Zaporozhie and Kherson from Russian constitution then by definition he has no interest in a peace deal that would end conflict along current front lines.

I think that in a future negotiations won't be everything as Putin wants.

 

[Litwin]

I don’t hate anyone. I just don’t want my taxes funding your war.

I dont care, you are a marginal and you´ll be treated (by me, AND ALL other FREE MEN ) as a such .

Three in four Americans say U.S. should support Ukraine despite MOSCOW threats, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows

TERRIBLE NEWS FOR POOTLER´S CUCKOLDS ! God Bless American nation! Long Live the USA, Long Live THE LIBERAL ORDER ! DEATH TO THE DESPOTIC , BARBARIC , ORIENTAL IMPERIALISM ! https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-four-americans-say-us-should-support-ukraine-despite-russian-threats-2022-10-05/

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[AntonToo]

I think that in a future negotiations won't be everything as Putin wants.

I think you have no way of knowing that Putin would be willing to agree to remove cities out of Russian constitution.

Which is exactly why I say that feasability of a peace agreement along current front lines is just a fantasy.

 

[Litwin]

Not totally. The debt continues.

Not all Republicans support Putin genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. The US Congress is preparing a bill to return Ukraine to borders

Not all Republicans support Putin and his unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. Here’s one example. Support for Ukraine in its existential conflict with the HORDE actually has significant bipartisan support — as it should. The United States must achieve Ukraine's...

www.usmessageboard.com

Majority of Americans are decent and smart. Online grifters are not. Seems to me there should be more explicit emphasis that US/EU support for Ukraine is a national security issue, not a “foreign aid” issue. Hopefully the EU and Britain also go-ahead and give the frozen orc money to Ukraine ASAP.

 

[Litwin]

I doubt if Vance used the word "abandon". That's left wing spin.

you are 2 times CORRECT here , HE used word " appeasement " INSTEAD .

The far-left&right RADICALS are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Litwin]

Jesus. Finland was a neutral state since the late 1940s to a quite recent time.

you know exactly NOTHING about Finland, "In Finland itself, the term finlandization carries a mix of regret and embarrassment," There is a reason why in Finnish verb "Ryssiä" (Muscovy) , roughly meaning "to totally fail something"....

Finns Don’t Wish ‘Finlandization’ on Ukraine (or Anyone) (Published 2022)

The Cold War term for a kind of stifled sovereignty has gained attention as a possible solution to the standoff with Russia. But the nation it’s named for would rather forget about it.

www.nytimes.com

Finlandization Is Not a Solution for Ukraine - The American Interest

The term "Finlandization" is making a comeback as a proposed remedy for Ukraine's delicate position between East and West. A look back at Finland's postwar experience shows us why this is a bad idea.

www.the-american-interest.com

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[krichton]

If you are pro- Moscow you are anti-humanity...

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Reagan would be seen as a far right liberal today. That's how far conservatives and the right have fallen in this country.

 

[krichton]

Good, this senseless war should be stopped.

Agreed, Putin needs to be stopped at all costs.

 

[pknopp]

Agreed, Putin needs to be stopped at all costs.

How many of your loved ones are you willing to sacrifice?

 

[krichton]

Explain again why we're supposed to prop up a guy who has jailed political opponents, banned opposition parties, refused to leave office when his term ran out, and has been bombing civilian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine since he took office.

We're not propping up Putin.