Media blackout of Gosnell's trial...the msm is okay with killing babies, it seems.

[tinydancer]

What part of live birth, kill the baby "OMG I fucked up again" behead the baby don't you get?

He and his staff routinely beheaded babies born alive.

Oh I'm a Canuck. No federal law? Of course not. Under our health plan our medical is province by province.

So late term is not unrestricted. One just has to learn which province deals with their abortion laws.

Gusnell was running a hack clinic. Not much argument there. We were talking late term abortion.

I've searched again, just to be sure. Not one province has a law restricting access to late term abortions. New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island don't fund abortions, but they don't restrict access. Nunavut doesn't have any clinics or hospitals that provide abortion services (wow! Highest birth rate in Canada and 51% of the population under 25yo, they are busy!). But I didn't find a single provincial or federal law controlling access to abortion.

Have you found any? Please cite these laws. Obviously this poor little immigrant is struggling to find her way.

Pro Choice website says it all....

Late-term Abortion in Canada



Many anti-choice and misinformed individuals would have Canadians believe that a woman in Canada can access abortion services at any point during the nine months of pregnancy.

This belief is hugely inaccurate and serves only to appeal to the emotional response of people in trying to prevent the acceptance of abortion as a critical reproductive health service.

In Canada, a woman cannot have an elective abortion past 24 weeks gestation. There are simply no doctors and no facilities that will allow for an elective termination at that point.

In fact, there are only a few doctors in the entire country who are willing to perform abortions past 20 weeks.

As there are different methods of abortion, each woman’s pregnancy is individually assessed by a doctor to help decide which method is safest and best for her.

However, since abortion services after 20 weeks are not easily available in Canada, many women who seek an abortion at this point must either travel to another province or to the United States, or must continue to carry the pregnancy to term.

Canadians For Choice

 

[Expat]

Depends on if they prove the babies were born before he severed their spinal columns. Did he perform abortions or were they born and he murdered them. I guess they'll sort that out during the trial.

With all due respect, you really should just read about the trial before commenting. There was testimony at the Grand Jury and during this trial.

These babies were born alive.

Doctor ‘beheaded’ 100 babies born alive during late-term abortions at clinic, former employee tells court

Kermit Gosnell trial: Abortion doctor allegedly ?beheaded? babies | World | News | National Post

I perused it. I concluded he was a hack. Employee's are providing testimony. The trial's not over yet. If he did what they said he did, I hope they can prove it. Doesn't change my comments.

 

[Expat]

Very nice, Tiny Dancer. But that doesn't answer my question. Show even ONE law/restriction abortion on the provincial, federal or even local level. I stated there weren't any legal restrictions and there are .07% late term abortions post 20 weeks. Unless you're arguing with statistics Canada.

 

[Expat]

Pennsylvania has pretty good Medicaid coverage, it even covers abortions for women that get receive it. I am pretty sure Republicans don't like that, but it is still the law.

By the way, it wasn't a Republican that stopped The inspections of Gosnell's clinic.

But keep blaming Republicans, I know you are easily confused.

I just looked up pennsylvania medicaid. There are eligibility requirements. That's not universal health coverage at all. Not even close.

I never said it was, did I? Joe's argument is that, because the feds block Medicaid funds being applied to abortions, poor women on Medicaid have no accedes to abortions in Philadelphia. I am just pointing out that he is wrong.

Thanks for trying to give him an out though, I am sure he will use it to pretend he said something else.

Doesn't change my point. You presume that women that don't meet eligibility thresholds aren't poor and can cough up money for an abortion on the spot.

 

[Expat]

You know, I might actually admit you might have a point, if Pennsylvania did not allow Medicaid patients to get abortions using state funds. Since it does, you just look incredibly stupid.

Assuming she qualified for medicaid in Pennsylvania. He doesn't look stupid at all.

Could that be because you are actually stupider than he is?

I hardly call being aware that eligibility for government aid hardly decides whether a woman can afford an abortion easily. Universal coverage means regardless of her financial means, the service is covered. Eligibility requirements mean a woman who earns ten dollars a year over the threshold wouldn't get coverage.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I just looked up pennsylvania medicaid. There are eligibility requirements. That's not universal health coverage at all. Not even close.

I never said it was, did I? Joe's argument is that, because the feds block Medicaid funds being applied to abortions, poor women on Medicaid have no accedes to abortions in Philadelphia. I am just pointing out that he is wrong.

Thanks for trying to give him an out though, I am sure he will use it to pretend he said something else.

Doesn't change my point. You presume that women that don't meet eligibility thresholds aren't poor and can cough up money for an abortion on the spot.

I am assuming nothing of the sort, I am refuting his argument that poor women had no other options, especially if they are on Medicaid. Planned Parenthood offers abortions on a sliding scale based on ability to pay, they have a clinic in Philadelphia.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Assuming she qualified for medicaid in Pennsylvania. He doesn't look stupid at all.

Could that be because you are actually stupider than he is?

I hardly call being aware that eligibility for government aid hardly decides whether a woman can afford an abortion easily. Universal coverage means regardless of her financial means, the service is covered. Eligibility requirements mean a woman who earns ten dollars a year over the threshold wouldn't get coverage.

That is why he is smarter than you, he didn't try to use eligibility for government aid as a precursor to his position.

 

[Sunshine]

"Gosnell's trial is to abortion what Sandy Hook is to gun ownership.
Both are emotional cases with horrific details that cry out for public policy debates. And in each case, the debate pits public safety against something widely considered a constitutional right.
The two cases are different in that Sandy Hook received wall-to-wall coverage and thus facilitated a national conversation about mental health and gun control -- a debate whose outcome is yet to be determined.
Not so with the Gosnell trial, which has been completely blacked out by the media."

Guns and babies: A tale of two massacres | WashingtonExaminer.com

It's getting posted on the social media. It seems there are more than a few who don't want this to be unknown. The article that my FB friends postes was gruesome. People really don't know what a late term abortion consists of. And the article described it.

They deliver all of the baby except the head. Then just before the head emerges they take a scalpel or scissors and sever the baby's spinal cord at the neck and suck the baby's brain out. That is what is known as a 'partial birth' abortion.

Here have a peek:
Warning Graphic Video
http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vnOaq7nWU]Partial-Birth Abortion Illustrated Video The Crime of Crimes / Pro-Life Anti-Abortion Film - YouTube

The PC crowd who doesn't want any feelings hurt sure don't mind hurting their fellow man in this manner.

 

[EriktheRed]

The claim is that political pressure protected this bad abortion provider. You know what that reminds me of? Virtually every government interaction with a bad gun dealer anywhere in America in recent decades. Powers and Friedersdorf ask why the story of this clinic isn't national front-page news. I'd ask: Why aren't the stories of bad gun dealers front-page news?

No one in the pro-choice community would defend Kermit Gosnell. I don't know any pro-choicer who'd disagree with this 2011 column by Katha Pollitt, which enumerates many of the horrors of Gosnell's clinic and defends abortion rights.

By contrast, the gun community does everything in its power to enable bad gun dealers to keep dealing guns. Hey, Kirsten and Conor, that could be a front-page story in America every day.

IS KERMIT GOSNELL THE CHUCK'S GUN SHOP OF MEDICINE?

And by the same blogger...

The right is complaining that there's been a "liberal media" blackout of the Kermit Gosnell case -- but while big national media outlets may have missed the story, it's been widely covered by the feminist journalists since Gosnell's arrest in 2011, as Salon's Irin Carmon has documented. Meanwhile, as her colleague Alex Seitz-Wald points out, the right-wing media ignored the story until now. Ignored it at the time of Gosnell's arrest. Ignored it since the arrest. Ignored it at the beginning of trial a few weeks ago.

You'd think this would have been a perfect right-wing story from Day One. Evil abortion doctor! Dead babies! Blue-state government looking the other way!

But I'm not so sure. The right-wing media template is one of villains and victims -- but they have to be the right villains and (especially) the right victims. Most of the victims here were poor, inner-city non-whites. The suburban/exurban/gated community dwellers who make up the audience for Fox news and talk radio and righty blogs doesn't give a crap about bad things happening to those people.

No More Mister Nice Blog

 

[mamooth]

You know what this means, of course. Since FOX didn't hype the story, FOX News is clearly also under the thumb of the socialists.

Fortunately, we have the posters here who have revealed just how deep the socialist plot goes. Nothing gets by that crowd.

 

[JoeB131]

This is what they don't want to admit.

Canada also has universal health care, a strong social welfare policy, and strong medical and family leave.

So less women CHOOSE to have abortions or they either avoid getting pregnant to start with, or they have the economic and legal support to have a baby.

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Without religious morals and solid values being taught, do you actually think that people will not sink any lower than they already have, just as they have sunk since religion has been under attack in this nation by the ones whom have caused all of this mess that we have now in this nation ? These attacks are coming from within religion in order to try and destroy it, and without it now, and so it is rotting away at the very core of this nation in which helped to guide these young ones once, into actually abstaining from becoming pregnant to begin with as you say or not having to choose an abortion at all because as you say, but I say it is because of their religious morals and values gained prior to in which helps them to do these things in which was being promoted by all in this nation in a joint effort to stop all the madness before it had become us, just as it has now become us and overcome us sadly in this nation now. You are living in a fantasy land if you think we can help out without any sort of standards that have been traditionally based upon the religious values that we had within this nation over time that were kept, and so we see how it stands now with your ideology and solution based thinking in which does absolutely no good for us, and we all know this now.

No, I don't buy that shit for a minute.

By the logic you've just laid out here, the Philippines, where people are so piously religious they celebrate Easter by nailing themselves to crosses, should have a lower abortion rate than the US.

Instead, it has a higher one. Women leave their dead fetuses on the steps of churches in the hope they go to heaven, but the fact is, the Philippines have anywhere from 500K to 800K abortion a year in a population of 90 million.

Meanwhile, France treats the Pope like a senile uncle, at best. Yet they have all the social services I described and guess what, they have less abortions per capita than we have.


Point. Set. Match.

 

[JoeB131]

"Gosnell's trial is to abortion what Sandy Hook is to gun ownership.
Both are emotional cases with horrific details that cry out for public policy debates. And in each case, the debate pits public safety against something widely considered a constitutional right.
The two cases are different in that Sandy Hook received wall-to-wall coverage and thus facilitated a national conversation about mental health and gun control -- a debate whose outcome is yet to be determined.
Not so with the Gosnell trial, which has been completely blacked out by the media."

Guns and babies: A tale of two massacres | WashingtonExaminer.com

It's getting posted on the social media. It seems there are more than a few who don't want this to be unknown. The article that my FB friends postes was gruesome. People really don't know what a late term abortion consists of. And the article described it.

They deliver all of the baby except the head. Then just before the head emerges they take a scalpel or scissors and sever the baby's spinal cord at the neck and suck the baby's brain out. That is what is known as a 'partial birth' abortion.

Here have a peek:



The PC crowd who doesn't want any feelings hurt sure don't mind hurting their fellow man in this manner.

Yes, those drawings make it look really bad.

But they are drawings....

 

[JoeB131]

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They got 7 counts of murder out of one accidental overdose? Wow.

You mean you've got one valid charge and 6 BULLSHIT ones, which will get overturned on appeal if you don't have a hung jury.

Actually, if we throw in the mother, they got 8 murder charges. This thread is about the 7 babies he is actually charged with killing. Since you are willing to admit that at least one of those charges is legitimate, and you also think he killed that woman with the Demorol, you must agree with me that he was killing live babies.

No, I agree that the charge of killing the woman is legit.

Fetal charges aren't. They won't hold up on appeal. Of course, they have plenty to put him to jail on between the drug charges and the negligent homicide charges, this was a charge of reaching to make a political point. Maybe they are hoping they won't appeal.

 

[JoeB131]

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What does any of that have to do with abortions? Planned Parenthood supplies "free" abortions to anyone who walks into one of their clinics.

You know, you realy need to get back on your medications, you are hallucinating

Besides the fact PP doesn't provide them for free, they aren't everywhere.

They are in Philadelphia. In fact, they are within 10 miles of Gosnell's clinic in Philadelphia.

By the way, did you see the "free" in my post?

The part that is highlighted that you wrote... that's where I saw it.

Seriously, you need to do a lower octane mix on your meds.

 

[whitehall]

Umm, there was a "media blackout " in Germany during the 30's. Anybody wonder how the Holocaust could have continued?

 

[JoeB131]

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You know, I might actually admit you might have a point, if Pennsylvania did not allow Medicaid patients to get abortions using state funds. Since it does, you just look incredibly stupid.

NO, actually, PA Doesn't.

Can Medicaid cover my abortion? | Fund Abortion Now.org

Do some research, crazy person.

 

[mamooth]

there was a "media blackout " in Germany during the 30's. Anybody wonder how the Holocaust could have continued?

So you're saying that if the media starts reporting on the conservative authoritarians instead of ignoring them, we can avoid the path of Nazi Germany?

I can't approve of phrasing the message that way. It's way out of line to be comparing conservatives to Nazis.

 

[JoeB131]

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Actually, his defense is that he killed them with a drug overdose. Not sure how he explains the screams if that actually happened, but I am sure his lawyers will sort that out.

His lawyers don't have to. His lawyers can just appeal on the grounds that including the fetal testimony was inflammatory and prejudicial. He could tie them up in court for years before coping to a negligent homicide charge.

 

[Expat]

I never said it was, did I? Joe's argument is that, because the feds block Medicaid funds being applied to abortions, poor women on Medicaid have no accedes to abortions in Philadelphia. I am just pointing out that he is wrong.

Thanks for trying to give him an out though, I am sure he will use it to pretend he said something else.

Doesn't change my point. You presume that women that don't meet eligibility thresholds aren't poor and can cough up money for an abortion on the spot.

I am assuming nothing of the sort, I am refuting his argument that poor women had no other options, especially if they are on Medicaid. Planned Parenthood offers abortions on a sliding scale based on ability to pay, they have a clinic in Philadelphia.

You said free.

 

[Expat]

Could that be because you are actually stupider than he is?

I hardly call being aware that eligibility for government aid hardly decides whether a woman can afford an abortion easily. Universal coverage means regardless of her financial means, the service is covered. Eligibility requirements mean a woman who earns ten dollars a year over the threshold wouldn't get coverage.

That is why he is smarter than you, he didn't try to use eligibility for government aid as a precursor to his position.

I was trying to make sense of your claims. Which turned out to be bullshit anyway.