Men in women's bathrooms

[Cecilie1200]

3 bathrooms

men

women

and

transgenders


what is so hard to understand about that? it's easy

That's still discrimination. Obama's directive to the schools does not allow that. Transsexuals seek to use the restroom that matches their gender, not the sex designation on their birth certificate.

The "sex designation on their birth certificate" IS their gender. Try to comprehend that your fantasies are not reality just because you wish really hard. In my head, I'm a fairy princess, but shockingly, that doesn't give me wings and a magic wand in real life.

When a child is adopted, they get new birth certificates. My son's gender is legally male, even though he was born female.

So basically, you're telling us that sex is determined not by biology and DNA, but by a piece of paper?

Let me clarify, leftist dimwit self-hater: The sex one is at birth, which in this case happens to have been the "birth certificate designation" to which we were actually referring, is one's gender. Whatever wishful thinking you may have bullied the craven politicians into rubber-stamping for you since then has no more weight of reality than your belief that you're an intelligent, decent human being worthy of respect.

In the future, I will advise you strongly to leave references to specific family members out of discussions, since I really doubt you have the moral fortitude and strength of character to not run sniveling to the mods the first time someone comments on them, despite the fact that YOU brought them into it.

STFU.

Enjoy your utter, impotent helplessness to make me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

3 bathrooms

men

women

and

transgenders


what is so hard to understand about that? it's easy

That's still discrimination. Obama's directive to the schools does not allow that. Transsexuals seek to use the restroom that matches their gender, not the sex designation on their birth certificate.

The "sex designation on their birth certificate" IS their gender. Try to comprehend that your fantasies are not reality just because you wish really hard. In my head, I'm a fairy princess, but shockingly, that doesn't give me wings and a magic wand in real life.

When a child is adopted, they get new birth certificates. My son's gender is legally male, even though he was born female.

Sex can not be determined easily in about 1 in every 1500 to 2000 babies born. A specialist is required. If chromosome tests are required it can cost a couple of thousand dollars. In many cases sex on birth certificates turn out to be wrong. Some countries such as Germany are leaving sex blank on birth certificates when it's too close to call.

And that has what to do with the vast majority (I use vast in the loosest sense, since this is such a rare mental illness) of perfectly normal - physically speaking - transgender people?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The "sex designation on their birth certificate" IS their gender. Try to comprehend that your fantasies are not reality just because you wish really hard. In my head, I'm a fairy princess, but shockingly, that doesn't give me wings and a magic wand in real life.

When a child is adopted, they get new birth certificates. My son's gender is legally male, even though he was born female.

So basically, you're telling us that sex is determined not by biology and DNA, but by a piece of paper?

Let me clarify, leftist dimwit self-hater: The sex one is at birth, which in this case happens to have been the "birth certificate designation" to which we were actually referring, is one's gender. Whatever wishful thinking you may have bullied the craven politicians into rubber-stamping for you since then has no more weight of reality than your belief that you're an intelligent, decent human being worthy of respect.

In the future, I will advise you strongly to leave references to specific family members out of discussions, since I really doubt you have the moral fortitude and strength of character to not run sniveling to the mods the first time someone comments on them, despite the fact that YOU brought them into it.

STFU.

Wow.

Wow is what I say to the hatred in your pals post. STFU is the mildest response I have for her ugliness.

"Hatred" = "You tell me the truth instead of applauding my stupidity!"

And yes, I'm sure STFU is, in fact, the best response you are capable of producing. Like I said, enjoy your utter, impotent helplessness to change the reality of both being the biological sex you are no matter WHAT lies you want to tell yourself, and to stop me from saying so.

A biological man is a biological man. Period. If he thinks he's a woman, he's wrong, and he's mentally ill, and he needs therapy. If the people around him encourage and pander to his delusion, then they are assholes who are doing him an enormous amount of harm.

Will I suddenly stop saying that because someone is dumb enough to admit in front of me that they fall into either of those categories? On the contrary. Those are the people who need a swift kick of reality in the derriere the most, and if people aren't outraged by my honesty, then I'm probably not doing it right.

I don't hate any of these people. They hate themselves, and they hate me for making them face it. And please note the utter lack of any fucks given by me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

STFU is the mildest response I have for her ugliness.

No.

STFU is what people use when they have nothing left to argue.

"People" like that are never bright enough to realize that the more vitriolic they get in response to me, the LESS likely I am to stop doing whatever produces that reaction. All they're doing is telling me that I'm winning.

On a lighter note, my 7-year-old is sitting here, proofreading my typing. I knew I was going to regret teaching him to read.

 

[Cecilie1200]

STFU is the mildest response I have for her ugliness.

No.

STFU is what people use when they have nothing left to argue.

Or the person isn't worth wasting my time on.

Yeah, I'm sure you consider it a "waste of time" to listen to anyone who doesn't validate you, because you're too much of a fragile flower to ever hear a differing opinion, let alone stand up for your bullshit against the slightest opposition.

You know what they call people like you, who can only assert their "truths" around approving audiences? They call them "wrong".

 

[Cecilie1200]

and it should be up to the establishment what kinds of restrooms to provide.

Well no kidding. Nobody is arguing about Target (unlike libtards - we don't believe we can force private industry on private property to do anything - we just choose to no longer shop there). The issue is public facilities. The public pool. Schools. Highway stops. Etc.

Really? There are no white only drinking fountains or restrooms in any private business because any business that opens it's door to the public is subject to civil rights legislation.

Really? You really want to tell us that someone has a "civil right" to force women to disrobe around him simply because he puts on a dress and makeup? Or doesn't even bother with that much, and just SAYS he "feels like a woman"?

Blacks fought to get equal rights in the long aftermath of slavery. The LGBT community and their lickspittles on the left are fighting to turn women into state-owned strippers.

"Get naked, and shut up, bitch!" ain't exactly "We Shall Overcome", y'know what I'm saying?

I think your fantasies are in control.

I'm not the one thinking that a change of clothes and hairstyle makes me a different sex, so probably you might want to contemplate the Biblical saying about "mote in your brother's eye". Or sister, in this case, since I'm well aware of my actual, unchangeable sex.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's the response of someone who knows who's worth talking to and who isn't.

How about not. Cecilie flat out destroyed you.

Aw, shucks. You're too kind.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Go to the Flame Zone. Do not pass go, do not pass out. Take your hostile posts and shove them up Cecile's nose.

So stating the truth is now a hostile act? Should I find you the nearest safe space, Dhara?

Stating the truth is always a hostile act to leftists, because the truth so often supports the fact that they're total failures at humanity.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Go to the Flame Zone. Do not pass go, do not pass out. Take your hostile posts and shove them up Cecile's nose.

So stating the truth is now a hostile act? Should I find you the nearest safe space, Dhara?

Truth? You're the one who needs a safe space, like a prison cell for the criminally insane.

We aren't the ones trying to make insanity an "alternate lifestyle". The criminally insane ones are the people who want to encourage a sick person to treat their illness by mutilating their bodies to pretend to be something they never can be.

Don't project your own evil onto others. Unlike you, we don't encourage delusion.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Truth? You're the one who needs a safe space, like a prison cell for the criminally insane.

Ooooh, let the real you show. You're accusing Cecilie of hatred and ugliness, yet here you are referring to me as "criminally insane." Not only that, you think I belong in prison for my views. How exactly does that whole "hatred" and "tolerance" thing work for you liberals?

Liberals would have to understand what "tolerance" actually means before they could show any, and you KNOW what a problem they have with the definitions of tricky words . . . you know, like "is". Remember how much trouble they had with THAT one?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Truth? You're the one who needs a safe space, like a prison cell for the criminally insane.

Ooooh, let the real you show. You're accusing Cecilie of hatred and ugliness, yet here you are referring to me as "criminally insane." Not only that, you think I belong in prison for my views. How exactly does that whole "hatred" and "tolerance" thing work for you liberals?

Yep, I think you ought to be locked up for your insanity and violence.

Oh, NOW telling the truth is not only insane, it constitutes violence. Yeah, that makes every bit as much sense as "your sex is whatever you feez it is". Naught but the kind of illogic I would expect from someone desperately trying to hide from herself what an absolute shitpile she's made of her existence.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So . . . you post pictures of transsexual women (which you obviously find attractive and sexy), and then you accuse other men of finding them sexy? I find that very interesting. Seems like projection to me.

Is this why you are vehemently insisting that transsexual men are "equal" to real and legitimate women? Well, they are not. Sorry about that.

I don't hate them, nor do I have any ill will towards them, but I refuse to feed into the delusion. I think it is extremely unhealthy.

So where did you get your degree in psychology?

What's that smell? OMG, it reeks, it's awful. It's ... it's ... HYPOCRISY. And it's a bad one. Can't you go outside before you fire one of those off? At least give a warning ...

BTW, just a heads up. It's not required to have a degree in psychology to have an opinion and it's legal to post your opinion on message boards anyway. You may want to write that down for future reference, moron ...

You can have your wrong opinion all you want to. I'm just asking if they are qualified to make the claim that being trans is an "unhealthy delusion".

What's the recommended treatment for this "unhealthy delusion"?

OK, and where is your psychology degree from?

BTW, you may want to do some basic research on what a message board is since you post on one regularly ...

I'm not the one ascribing mental illness to people.

No, that would be Mother Nature.

Or do you now refuse to recognize that there is any such thing as mental illness? Should we empty the asylums and stop manufacturing psych meds, because all those people are just "living their own truths"?

 

[Cecilie1200]

3 bathrooms

men

women

and

transgenders


what is so hard to understand about that? it's easy

That's still discrimination. Obama's directive to the schools does not allow that. Transsexuals seek to use the restroom that matches their gender, not the sex designation on their birth certificate.

The "sex designation on their birth certificate" IS their gender. Try to comprehend that your fantasies are not reality just because you wish really hard. In my head, I'm a fairy princess, but shockingly, that doesn't give me wings and a magic wand in real life.

When a child is adopted, they get new birth certificates. My son's gender is legally male, even though he was born female.

So basically, you're telling us that sex is determined not by biology and DNA, but by a piece of paper?

Let me clarify, leftist dimwit self-hater: The sex one is at birth, which in this case happens to have been the "birth certificate designation" to which we were actually referring, is one's gender. Whatever wishful thinking you may have bullied the craven politicians into rubber-stamping for you since then has no more weight of reality than your belief that you're an intelligent, decent human being worthy of respect.

In the future, I will advise you strongly to leave references to specific family members out of discussions, since I really doubt you have the moral fortitude and strength of character to not run sniveling to the mods the first time someone comments on them, despite the fact that YOU brought them into it.

That's precisely why she repeatedly brings specific family members into it.

Could be. Or she just does it because she's desperately trying to justify the Chernobyl-sized toxic waste spill she's made of her life, and mistakenly thinks that people on this board will be intimidated into silence out of "niceness", the way too many people are in real life.

She's definitely in the wrong place, if that's what she's expecting.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In what respect do you consider it a violation of privacy ?

The now-Supreme Court justice continued, “Separate places to disrobe, sleep, perform personal bodily functions are permitted, in some situations required, by regard for individual privacy.”

Read more: Ginsburg In 1975: Separate Bathrooms Are ‘In Some Situations Required’

Put into your own words... What aspects of a transgender in your restroom is violating your privacy?

The loss of privacy.

You are not answering the question... Where does the feeling of loss of privacy come from?

Traditionally the separation of men and women has both social and biological reasons. The social aspect stems off attraction and pursuit on a sexual level. Ie. Boys like girls, boys see girls naked and go wild with hormones. A girls sexuality and how she presents it to the opposite sex is a very private thing.

It begs the question... Does a woman feel more comfortable undressing next to a gay man who has no attraction towards her or next to a gay woman who does have a sexual attraction towards her?

You seem to think everyone should have the same comfort/ privacy level.

That's absurd.

At a minimal, and yes a minimal level, the sign on the door should represent what the room is actually meant to be.

We have no duty to provide for anyone who uses cosmetic surgery to be something that IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE.

You want to be Elvis, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to look like the King. Go for it, not a single person has a duty to treat you as anything more than what you were before wasting that money.

What, you mean they're not obligated to give them big contracts to perform in Vegas, and let them live at Graceland?! Say it ain't so!

 

[Cecilie1200]

What's that smell? OMG, it reeks, it's awful. It's ... it's ... HYPOCRISY. And it's a bad one. Can't you go outside before you fire one of those off? At least give a warning ...

BTW, just a heads up. It's not required to have a degree in psychology to have an opinion and it's legal to post your opinion on message boards anyway. You may want to write that down for future reference, moron ...

You can have your wrong opinion all you want to. I'm just asking if they are qualified to make the claim that being trans is an "unhealthy delusion".

What's the recommended treatment for this "unhealthy delusion"?

OK, and where is your psychology degree from?

BTW, you may want to do some basic research on what a message board is since you post on one regularly ...

I'm not the one ascribing mental illness to people.

A man who believes he is actually a woman or a woman who believes she is actually a man is obviously suffering from delusions, and when those delusions are so severe that these people will actually undergo dangerous procedures (because they are SO focused on their genitalia), or even "cut it off", then they are OBVIOUSLY severely mentally disturbed individuals.

Yes. Sexual orientation is clear. I was born straight. I just was, and I knew I was.

But transgender is entirely different. I see a pretty girl and it just makes me like that. But I never sit and think I feel like I'm male. I notice the similarity between my being male and how other males think. How does someone sit and think they are female? It doesn't really make sense

What does "male" and "female" even feel like? I mean, the left keeps telling us that they're just false, outmoded social constructs forced on people, so how can they suddenly be these ironclad, objective criteria so immutable that they override biology?

I honestly don't know if I could even tell you what "female" feels like, simply because I've never been anything else, never had to quantify it, and realize that I don't do it exactly like every other female out there. It's not necessarily being attracted to men, since not every female is. It's certainly not wearing girly clothes and makeup, since I and many other women rarely do so.

I think I mentioned once before that I had a male friend who frequently cross-dressed, and had a whole closetful of sexy dresses and a bureau full of makeup, and told me once that he "was a much better woman than I was" when he was all dressed up. I said, "That's the point. YOU have to be dressed up, and I'm a woman no matter what."

 

[Cecilie1200]

A man who believes he is actually a woman or a woman who believes she is actually a man is obviously suffering from delusions, and when those delusions are so severe that these people will actually undergo dangerous procedures (because they are SO focused on their genitalia), or even "cut it off", then they are OBVIOUSLY severely mentally disturbed individuals.

Yes. Sexual orientation is clear. I was born straight. I just was, and I knew I was.

But transgender is entirely different. I see a pretty girl and it just makes me like that. But I never sit and think I feel like I'm male. I notice the similarity between my being male and how other males think. How does someone sit and think they are female? It doesn't really make sense

Of course it doesn't make sense to you just like autism doesn't make sense to you. It is an identity disorder, not a normal person just choosing to be a member of the opposite sex. It takes years to transition. Its expensive and involves tons of counseling... Do you accept that we all have a different sense of reality and as long as ones reality doesn't cause harm to anybody else's reality then we should be respectful of those differences?

Not when they try to shove their issues down everyone else's throats!

To be respectful of differences, you and your daughters have to pee with men. That doesn't make sense to you? Hmm ... me either ...

Luckily, I don't have any daughters.

I have one, and I pity the man who tries to follow her into the ladies' room. Let's just say he'd save a lot of money on surgery.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Nobody see's the world the exact same way, we are all individually different. That sense that you have that you are a man comes from somewhere... Imagine you had that same sense/feeling but you were in a woman's body... That is how GID victims describe the psychology behind it. Are you denying that this is possible? You keep making a biological argument, but this is a psychological and sociological issue

When I was a child I actually felt like I was a bird. I was up on the roof with cardboard wings when my parents came home and hastily pulled me down. Are you denying that it is possible for me to feel like a bird? You keep making the biological argument, but this is a psychological and sociological issue.

I really felt like a bird. I can still fly in my dreams. But luckily people didn't enable me and gently guided me to understand that humans don't fly. So now I'm well adjusted and feel like a human. Thank God for proper psychological intervention. Enabling my delusions was definitely not the way to go.

I have a friend who really likes dressing up as a husky (the dog breed). She really, REALLY identifies with huskies. If she ever goes over the line and starts believing she actually IS a husky, should I feed her dry kibble and take her on a leash to pee outside, or should I get her psychiatric treatment?

I have a couple of friends who like to dress up as cats, but if they ever decide to take a frisky scamper across the top of my bookshelves, we're going to have an issue.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm moving my comments from another thread to this one. The other thread has been invaded by flame zoners. I'm sure it will be moved to the Flamer Zone soon enough, and I wanted to discuss some of my opinions on this issue with people who are interested in having a discussion.

First of all . . .

Suicide rates are exponentially higher now than they were in the 1950s and before then. Why do you all think that is?

Do you think perhaps it is because the "focus" has shifted from what can I do to be a better "person" into what can I do to make myself into a specific gender or what can I do that makes ME happy? Selfishness and total focus on only yourself and things like gender, instead of focus on your community and what you can do to help others?

It's because the focus has shifted drastically from "How can I most effectively cope with reality" to "How can I pretend reality is whatever I want it to be", and I don't just mean transgenders. They're just the latest manifestation of the God complex Western society encourages in people.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?

That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.

Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.

They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorant

Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?

Children as young as 11. How many 'years of extensive therapy' regarding gender could these children have had? And on a subject that would be rather difficult for them to fully comprehend.

Totally agree. That is totally disgusting to do that to a child who is obviously very conflicted. The plain old fact that they are obsessed with their genders should be a cue that there is something else going on.

Maybe a big part of what's going on is all the decades prior to this that our society has been inundated with the lie that sex is some shallow veneer that one puts on and takes off like clothes, with no real, substantive differences between the two. We've spent all this time being deathly afraid of "forcing gender stereotypes onto our children", and now we wonder why some of them have mental issues when it comes to identifying with their biological sex?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Delusion is not the correct term. It's called Gender Identity Disorder... You should look it up, read some stories, learn what children go through, learn about what treatments are in place, what struggles these people go through, how many suicides and self harm they experience.... Get some objectivity so there is a basis behind your arguements. Right now your statements read like you know little to nothing about the flip side of the coin

A man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?

That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.

Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.

They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorant

Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?

Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?

As parents, we have lost the understanding that it's our job to help children understand themselves and teach them how to be who they should become, and we now think it's our job to encourage them to remain gormless, confused, and directionless forever, lest we "brainwash" them.

There's a big difference between accepting and loving your children for who they are, and encouraging them to try to be someone they're not.