Men in women's bathrooms

[Cecilie1200]

Please define exactly what a "transexual woman" is. Enlighten all of us oh Uber Troll..

Just to clear up this little semantic hair-splitting episode so we can all move on, it depends to a certain extent who you ask and in what context.

Medically speaking, a transgender person is anyone whose self-identity does not conform to the traits most normally associated with the sex of their birth. It includes cross-dressers and people who have transitional surgery, and everything in between. Transsexual, on the other hand, specifically refers to people who alter their bodies, either surgically or hormonally or both, to align with the sex with which they identify.

For the record, you have been using the term correctly, although some of them reject one and some reject the other, and many people have their own, personal connotations to each.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Freedom is an illusion that is earned through obedience in all societies under government control.

You have completely lost your mind. Freedom isn't a reward for obedience, freedom is inherent to our humanity.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Does the State own a private business just because the owner pays taxes?

It's really a shame that the Founders didn't put include "property" in the life, liberty etc. clause. Life without having control of the fruits of one's labor (property) does not exist in a state of Liberty.

A business owner who forgoes the business of willing potential customers is hurting himself, in my opinion, but he's free to do that. And why someone would wish to do business with somebody against his will is beyond me. I wouldn't have wanted my wedding cake made by somebody who was threatened by the government into doing so.

Like it or not the government owns everything... We are simply tenants living under their lease

Not quite. Die Gedanken sind frei.....

It's not something I advocate for but it is a reality. Freedom is an illusion that is earned through obedience in all societies under government control. We are fortunate enough to have a government of and by the people.

As if. Here's a good read that pretty much sums things up. We live right now in what is now very close to a Servile State. The alternative is to get rid of centralized control, but that won't happen until a Big Crisis happens.

The USSR without the Gulag

I'm not talking about socialism or communism, I'm just stating a simple fact in our "free" society. You think you own your business or you think you own your house? You don't, you are leasing the right to participate in commerce and to reside on American soil. If you doubt that then try not paying your taxes and see what happens to these assets you "own". Consumer goods are a different story, that T-bone steak, your toothbrush and even your underwear are all yours. But anything that is considered substantial wealth, you are leasing the right to own from the government. This isn't something we are in a threat of becoming... This has been a reality since the implementation of taxation.

And so, what does all this have to do with men going in women's bathrooms?

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's still discrimination. Obama's directive to the schools does not allow that. Transsexuals seek to use the restroom that matches their gender, not the sex designation on their birth certificate.

If true, then there would be no complaints since gender is sex.

His directive orders school to allow transsexuals to use the restroom that matches their gender identity, not gender. Not that lefties know the difference, and even if they do, they ignore it.

By definition - gender is the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Let's not let biology count though.

If a trans male had to go through life as a true woman must, there would be none.

You're not wrong. I have yet to ever hear a transgender male identify anything about his "feeling like a woman" that has a damned thing to do with what being a woman really is.

And I have to wonder, if gender is some fluid social construct that's all in people's heads anyway, how is it possible to "feel like a woman"? Basically, the entire transgender argument is that they feel like something their argument, by definition, says doesn't really exist.

Either there is a set, objective divide between male and female, in which case, they're on the male side, or there's no real difference except in what society has made up and forced on us, in which case, there's nothing for them to "feel like" at all.

Gender is certainly not as you say some fluid social construct. If that were all it was then we would not be seeing a gender mismatch with sex beginning as early as age 2.

I'M not the one who said it was a fluid social construct. That's what we keep being told every time a woman wants to ignore the biological differences between her and men. Except now, apparently, they're suddenly a carved-in-stone set of criteria (that don't include anything actually biological and scientific) which one "feelz" like and therefore immutably IS, regardless of any medical evidence to the contrary.

I'd say I wish you liberals would make up your fucking minds, except that would assume facts not in evidence, ie. that you actually have minds.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It is their lifestyle, it is their identity.

This isn't a Transformers movie. Identifying as one thing does not transform you into the other. I identify as a fully ripped Dwayne Johnson. Does that make me Dwane Johnson? No.

But I can smell what he's cooking, all 6,000 calories of it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lmk when you get back to reality

What, are you asking for directions?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm not an expert on the medical science.

Then perhaps you should sit down and shut up, because your attempt to educate us about transgenderism is failing miserably.

 

[TemplarKormac]

People don't like to be told what's normal as everybody's "normal" is different.

Sorry.

Being physically male or physically female is the human biological normal. You can be a man claiming to be a woman all you want, even change your parts, but when your DNA is tested, it will irrefutably identify you as a man, not what you think you are.

The human species consists of male and female. It has been that way for hundreds of thousands of years.

So, what now?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A biological man is a biological man. Period. If he thinks he's a woman, he's wrong, and he's mentally ill, and he needs therapy. If the people around him encourage and pander to his delusion, then they are assholes who are doing him an enormous amount of harm.

Will I suddenly stop saying that because someone is dumb enough to admit in front of me that they fall into either of those categories? On the contrary. Those are the people who need a swift kick of reality in the derriere the most, and if people aren't outraged by my honesty, then I'm probably not doing it right.

I don't hate any of these people. They hate themselves, and they hate me for making them face it. And please note the utter lack of any fucks given by me.

Better yet, a good solid kick in the crotch—followed by an explanation of how men have certain very sensitive parts located where they are vulnerable to such an attack, while women do not, and how the fact that the “transwoman” is now down on the ground, writhing in agony ought to be sufficient to establish whether h'orsh'/it is a man or a woman.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It's a lot more torturous to wear the "woman" clothes these trans men always seem to lust after. Does anyone else think there's a connection between how bloody uncomfortable female clothes are and how many clothing designers are gay men?

It's certainly something my wife has brought up on a number of occasions, the connection between how impractical and uncomfortable women's clothing tends to be, and the fact that the clothing design industry is dominated by openly-misogynistic homosexual men.

 

[Seawytch]

Because they aren't men. They don't present as men, don't act like men, don't feel like men. Do you really think she should be required to use the men's room?

RWNJs passing stupid laws do.

Is this pic your best argument? You could've post one that show below the waist, oh, there are hardly any that shows show his size 11 feet, bony knees, no hips and no ass, two by four has more curves.

You want a more revealing picture of her? Okay.

That better for you? The stupid laws you RWNJs are passing would require she use the men's room. Brilliant, right? They would also require this guy use the women's room.

Even more brilliant, don't you think?

I'm wondering is his father proud of his success? I guess he approves this, thinking that it's still better to have straight "daughter" then gay son.

More like it's better to have a live daughter than a dead son...

 

[Pop23]

Because they aren't men. They don't present as men, don't act like men, don't feel like men. Do you really think she should be required to use the men's room?

RWNJs passing stupid laws do.

Is this pic your best argument? You could've post one that show below the waist, oh, there are hardly any that shows show his size 11 feet, bony knees, no hips and no ass, two by four has more curves.

You want a more revealing picture of her? Okay.

That better for you? The stupid laws you RWNJs are passing would require she use the men's room. Brilliant, right? They would also require this guy use the women's room.

Even more brilliant, don't you think?

I'm wondering is his father proud of his success? I guess he approves this, thinking that it's still better to have straight "daughter" then gay son.

More like it's better to have a live daughter than a dead son...

You want photos of reconstructed noses as well?

It's cosmetic surgery. And that's all.

The dude on the top will never have children and the ugly chick on the bottom will never father a child.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Because they aren't men. They don't present as men, don't act like men, don't feel like men. Do you really think she should be required to use the men's room?

RWNJs passing stupid laws do.

Is this pic your best argument? You could've post one that show below the waist, oh, there are hardly any that shows show his size 11 feet, bony knees, no hips and no ass, two by four has more curves.

You want a more revealing picture of her? Okay.

That better for you? The stupid laws you RWNJs are passing would require she use the men's room. Brilliant, right? They would also require this guy use the women's room.

Even more brilliant, don't you think?

I'm wondering is his father proud of his success? I guess he approves this, thinking that it's still better to have straight "daughter" then gay son.

More like it's better to have a live daughter than a dead son...

You want photos of reconstructed noses as well?

It's cosmetic surgery. And that's all.

The dude on the top will never have children and the ugly chick on the bottom will never father a child.

One of the more bizarre examples of one of the defining clichés of wrong-wing ideology—that it tries to blame its opposition for the consequences of its own bad policies. In this case, the wrong-wing supports the creation and existence of unnatural freaks, and then blames us for not being willing to discard all notions of common sense and common decency in order to accommodate these freaks.

 

[Ame®icano]

You want a more revealing picture of her? Okay.

Even more brilliant, don't you think?

Brilliant? Seems you have a fetish for lady boys.

You think I haven't seen that photo? Still, two by four has more curves.

 

[Seawytch]

You want a more revealing picture of her? Okay.

Even more brilliant, don't you think?

Brilliant? Seems you have a fetish for lady boys.

You think I haven't seen that photo? Still, two by four has more curves.

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

Whatever h'orsh'/it may look like, h'orsh'/it is not a woman, but a mutilated man, and as such, has no business being in the women's restroom.

 

[Ame®icano]

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

I'm interested do you read your post before you click on "reply" button.

"Regardless of what gender she was born".

Please explain what gender is that?

Second, do you know what HB2 law is about?

 

[Jack4jill]

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

I'm interested do you read your post before you click on "reply" button.

"Regardless of what gender she was born".

Please explain what gender is that?

Second, do you know what HB2 law is about?

Understanding Gender

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[Bob Blaylock]

See, also: “Carlotta Sklodowska”, the “transgender woman” at the heart of the Pervert Fitness controversy from a year or so ago.