Mexican illegal alien w/ AK47 goes on rampage, kills 5 people in Kansas & Missouri; Build the wall.

[2aguy]

So.....you simply arrest the criminal who has possession of the gun...or you arrest him when he uses the gun to commit a crime. A private seller is not a police officer...it is not his job or his duty to conduct a background check on a private sale.

Background checks for private sales are simply the excuse to get gun registration...since that is the only way to check to make sure a background check was done...

And it is also a lie.....the anti gun leadership has quietly changed terms.....you nutters think they want all gun "Sales" to undergo a background check.....the anti gun leadership wants all gun "Transfers" to under go a background check...big f*****g difference.

That would mean the end of private firearm instruction outside of a large corporate gun store...it would mean you could not loan a gun to a friend at a range, or to your wife if she is going out shopping...without a criminal background check....among other vile things that it does....and it turns normal, law abiding gun owners into felons and destroys their lives....

Which is the whole point to universal background checks.

The most recent bill to close background check loopholes did speak to loaning a gun or transferring a gun within a family. There would not be a background check required in those circumstances.
I see no reason why a dangerous weapon like a gun should not be registered. You frequently point to the deadliness of autos. Well, they are registered and the users are also licensed as to knowledge of the laws and skill in using the auto. Why shouldn't guns be the same? Most guns already are registered, aren't they? Aren't most stolen guns able to be traced back to their last owner? Isn't that registration? If most already are, why shouldn't the rest be? Why are you so against that?

Sorry....that isn't true......you have to check these states that are passing these universal background checks...they are starting to include family transfers as well....

The reason that you can't register guns.....as opposed to autos....is that any registration list will later be used for banning guns and confiscating them......this has happened all over the world and gun registration always leads to bans, forced turn ins and confiscation....

Guns are a right, cars are not.

Would you support getting rid of the secret ballot for elections...so we know how people vote....or registering your electronic devises...I-pads, computers with the police to help monitor computer crimes? What about registering with the government before you post on the internet....you know...to help them stop crime?

Registering guns in the hope of finding out who the owner is is pointless.....if a gun is stolen....or sold to a criminal and reported stolen.....defeats the point of registering the gun....

The whole point to registration is to down the road...sometimes decades down the road like in Germany, to ban, confiscate or outlaw guns.

Who told you that the whole point of registration is to confiscate your guns? You do realize, don't you, that Nazi Germany is not a good example of what happens in the average democracy?
It is most certainly NOT pointless to know who owns a gun that has been used in a crime. If it wasn't reported stolen, maybe you got your guy! And it happens all the time, since most guns are already registered.
In my state, the universal background checks thingee does eliminate transfers to family members and loans. It was in the paper. Not positive they weren't discussing the federal bill.
IMO, gun ownership is no more a right than a Ford truck. If you aren't in the military, the 2nd Amendment does not apply to you. I know you disagree; just answering your point.

what other point is there

registration only applies to the law abiding

felons can not be charged with a crime of not registering their firearm

This fails as an irrelevant conclusion fallacy – it was never the intent of gun registration measures to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, you can't condemn such measures because they 'fail' to address an issue they never designed to address.

The same is true with regard to background checks.

Wow.....now you are just bat crap crazy.......every time they want to register guns what do they say it is for?....twit.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

97% of white on white murder will be done by a white person?

The genius in that is absolutely overwhelming...LMAO!!

No only 97% of animal sexual molestation will be done by a white person. 100% of white on white murders will be done by a white person.

Too late, cuz...lol

And you call people stupid?...LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its never to late skippy.

Yes I call you stupid a lot. Just keepin it real.

You call people stupid and you don't know the difference between, "to", and, "too"?...LMAO!!!!!!

You're a lot of fun little buddy!

Yes I call you stupid because you put commas where they dont belong. Youre like an all day play toy.

At least I know how to use an apostrophe...LMAO

 

[JimBowie1958]

And the gun maker would have made sure that he never acquired that piece. . . .

How does a manufacturer 'make sure' that the buyer complies with the law in the use of their product?

Are you in favor of allowing General Motors to be sued for every case of someone killing people in drunken car accidents with their GM cars?

Haven't got a clue. Just noting the reality and what to expect with a Hillary Presidency. . .
Clinton: Gun industry is 'wholly protected' from all lawsuits

Clinton Campaigns To Allow Hit-And-Run Victims To Sue Car Makers

According to the talking heads, she believes it will put pressure on gun makers to design guns with a lot more safety features. Less deaths, less suits.

What safety features?

Triggers that dont work and nerf bullets?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

WCSC : Highway Patrol: Shooting suspect in custody in Missouri

More dead bodies that wouldn't be dead if we had built the damn wall. This Mexican illegal fucking alien shot up Kansas and Missouri in a rampage that left 5 dead. He's not supposed to be here....and was deported once in 2004 but came back, shocker right?? Hes not supposed to own a gun either.

But wow....who would've guessed an illegal migrant who doesn't respect our immigration laws also won't respect our other laws?

So logic would dictate that the shooting would have occurred anyway, even with a wall......A giant wall...never saved China from invasion...

But a wall with manned ramparts would do the trick. Bought the Alamo lots of time.

 

[JimBowie1958]

 

[OldLady]

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

 

[2aguy]

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

Sorry.....that is no way to keep people out of gas chambers...didn't work in Germany, or the rest of Europe.....and 12 million people who think like you were marched into gas chambers.......

 

[OldLady]

And the gun maker would have made sure that he never acquired that piece. . . .

How does a manufacturer 'make sure' that the buyer complies with the law in the use of their product?

Are you in favor of allowing General Motors to be sued for every case of someone killing people in drunken car accidents with their GM cars?

Haven't got a clue. Just noting the reality and what to expect with a Hillary Presidency. . .
Clinton: Gun industry is 'wholly protected' from all lawsuits

Clinton Campaigns To Allow Hit-And-Run Victims To Sue Car Makers

According to the talking heads, she believes it will put pressure on gun makers to design guns with a lot more safety features. Less deaths, less suits.

Nope....here are some thoughts on suing gun makers...and how stupid that idea is...

Why Should Gun Makers Be Immune To Lawsuits? | Extrano's Alley, more than a gun blog

Should a gunmaker be held responsible for acts committed with a gun they sold to a distributor, who sold it in turn to a gun dealer, who demanded and got at least one form of official ID and who rand a criminal background check on the purchaser?

A purchaser who almost lost it to a thief who traded the gun for drugs? Reason and the law say no.

However, there is something called a “Strategic Lawsuit.” It costs as little as $10.00 to file a lawsuit, and it can cost $100,000 to defend against a lawsuit that will inevitably be thrown out of court. Gun making is not a highly profitable enterprise, as few as a dozen strategic lawsuits would throw many gunmakers into bankruptcy. Even if they prevailed in every case.

Thanks, but I didn't say I agreed with her stance or the reasoning behind it. I don't. The only people who are going to get richer are the lawyers.

 

[OldLady]

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

Sorry.....that is no way to keep people out of gas chambers...didn't work in Germany, or the rest of Europe.....and 12 million people who think like you were marched into gas chambers.......

It WOULD have worked in Germany if they hadn't cleaved onto Hitler as their economic and national savior in the 30's. He was elected to begin with, you know. Huge popular support before the evil ideas imbedded in his nationalist and socialist agenda became clear.

 

[OldLady]

Remember...there are 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the majority comitted by minorities against other minorities in the commission of crimes...it may not be culture but it is certainly job related.....

That doesnt have much to do with the fact white guys are chronic mass shooters but nice try at deflecting.

Not deflecting....blacks murder more people than all mass shooters combined.....there were 37 people murdered by mass shooters last year...4 incidents.....muslim terrorist committed two of those...

So.....less than 37 deaths from white mass shooters last year...vs....8,124 gun deaths (2014 figure from FBI Table 8)......

So who murdered more people with guns....?

Youre still deflecting from the point that whites are the vast majority of mass shooters. Deflecting wont change that.

And you don't care that black men are murdering other blacks at huge rates.........but the occasional mass shooter gets you all hot and bothered.....

Youre still trying to deflect and I wont let you. Your fault you tried to jump in. Why are white people so inclined to mass shoot people? Why do they get so upset over their women dating other races they take it to the level of killing out of frustration?

Too many centuries of inbreeding. Seriously. We have inbred the mentally ill for far too long.

 

[OldLady]

And the gun maker would have made sure that he never acquired that piece. . . .

How does a manufacturer 'make sure' that the buyer complies with the law in the use of their product?

Are you in favor of allowing General Motors to be sued for every case of someone killing people in drunken car accidents with their GM cars?

Haven't got a clue. Just noting the reality and what to expect with a Hillary Presidency. . .
Clinton: Gun industry is 'wholly protected' from all lawsuits

Clinton Campaigns To Allow Hit-And-Run Victims To Sue Car Makers

According to the talking heads, she believes it will put pressure on gun makers to design guns with a lot more safety features. Less deaths, less suits.

What safety features?

Dunno. That fingerprint lock, I suppose.

 

[2aguy]

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

Sorry.....that is no way to keep people out of gas chambers...didn't work in Germany, or the rest of Europe.....and 12 million people who think like you were marched into gas chambers.......

It WOULD have worked in Germany if they hadn't cleaved onto Hitler as their economic and national savior in the 30's. He was elected to begin with, you know. Huge popular support before the evil ideas imbedded in his nationalist and socialist agenda became clear.

Yeah....but that kind of wrecks your whole point..........it works...until it doesn't...then 12 million unarmed people are marched into gas chambers....

 

[OldLady]

Sorry....that isn't true......you have to check these states that are passing these universal background checks...they are starting to include family transfers as well....

The reason that you can't register guns.....as opposed to autos....is that any registration list will later be used for banning guns and confiscating them......this has happened all over the world and gun registration always leads to bans, forced turn ins and confiscation....

Guns are a right, cars are not.

Would you support getting rid of the secret ballot for elections...so we know how people vote....or registering your electronic devises...I-pads, computers with the police to help monitor computer crimes? What about registering with the government before you post on the internet....you know...to help them stop crime?

Registering guns in the hope of finding out who the owner is is pointless.....if a gun is stolen....or sold to a criminal and reported stolen.....defeats the point of registering the gun....

The whole point to registration is to down the road...sometimes decades down the road like in Germany, to ban, confiscate or outlaw guns.

Who told you that the whole point of registration is to confiscate your guns? You do realize, don't you, that Nazi Germany is not a good example of what happens in the average democracy?
It is most certainly NOT pointless to know who owns a gun that has been used in a crime. If it wasn't reported stolen, maybe you got your guy! And it happens all the time, since most guns are already registered.
In my state, the universal background checks thingee does eliminate transfers to family members and loans. It was in the paper. Not positive they weren't discussing the federal bill.
IMO, gun ownership is no more a right than a Ford truck. If you aren't in the military, the 2nd Amendment does not apply to you. I know you disagree; just answering your point.

The Constitution disagrees with you, too.

Sez you. I'll get my constitutional lawyer and you get yours, and we'll let them handle it.

Your constitutional lawyer will probably laugh at you.

Everybody laughs at libtards thinking they know the constitution. Old lady should stick to her knitting.

Oh, and you DO know the constitution? You most likely know it as well as I do, which is that we trust the judges and lawyers who have interpreted it to our liking. Doesn't make either of us right. As I mean in the last post, I'm staying it out of it.

 

[OldLady]

gun registration always leads to bans, forced turn ins and confiscation....

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

Sorry.....that is no way to keep people out of gas chambers...didn't work in Germany, or the rest of Europe.....and 12 million people who think like you were marched into gas chambers.......

It WOULD have worked in Germany if they hadn't cleaved onto Hitler as their economic and national savior in the 30's. He was elected to begin with, you know. Huge popular support before the evil ideas imbedded in his nationalist and socialist agenda became clear.

Yeah....but that kind of wrecks your whole point..........it works...until it doesn't...then 12 million unarmed people are marched into gas chambers....

It doesn't wreck my point at all. And the TWO countries you can point to as having used registration for a mass confiscation of legally owned guns--Australia and Britain--are both democratic and the legislation to do that was passed by the will of the people. It has not led to anyone going to the gas chamber. That only happened in Nazi Germany because Hitler was who he was. The other countries in the world who have registration of guns have not resulted in mass confiscation, either.
It is all a hypothetical nightmare existing only in the mind of paranoid gun lovers!

 

[OldLady]

Arrest, fine, and imprison employers that hire illegals. That includes Canadians.

Arrest, fine, and imprison government bureaucrats when illegals use fake documents on I9 screenings.

Arrest, fine, and imprison illegals who engage in identity theft.

By all means, don't make employers who hire illegals take any responsibility whatever.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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By all means, don't make employers who hire illegals take any responsibility whatever.

The Communists know that employers can only ask for documents. Anything more and you will be calling them "RACIST."

It's a little game you crooks play, pretend that you are doing something, while you make it impossible to do anything.

If an illegal provides false documents on an I9, and the government fails to flag it, then the employer followed the law, it is the government bureaucrats who did not.

While you are a democrat and seek to put people in jail based on party affiliation, decent people would put the one who violated the law in jail, the government hack.

Further, the illegal who provided the false documents is guilty of identity theft. If a democrat robbed a Republican at gun point, you would demand the victim go to prison for oppressing the robber, you are a democrat. But decent people would put the armed robber in jail.

 

[OnePercenter]

Arrest, fine, and imprison employers that hire illegals. That includes Canadians.

Arrest, fine, and imprison government bureaucrats when illegals use fake documents on I9 screenings.

Arrest, fine, and imprison illegals who engage in identity theft.

Arrest, fine, and imprison government bureaucrats when illegals use fake documents on I9 screenings.

If they knowing let it happen, sure.

Arrest, fine, and imprison illegals who engage in identity theft.

Hasn't Obama deported more illegals than any sitting President?

 

[OnePercenter]

WCSC : Highway Patrol: Shooting suspect in custody in Missouri

More dead bodies that wouldn't be dead if we had built the damn wall. This Mexican illegal fucking alien shot up Kansas and Missouri in a rampage that left 5 dead. He's not supposed to be here....and was deported once in 2004 but came back, shocker right?? Hes not supposed to own a gun either.

But wow....who would've guessed an illegal migrant who doesn't respect our immigration laws also won't respect our other laws?

Arrest, fine, and imprison employers that hire illegals. That includes Canadians.

Simpson-Mizzoli requires that, but if course it isn't enforced.

Simpson-Mizzoli requires that, but if course it isn't enforced.

Great question to ask Sheriff Joe.

 

[OnePercenter]

A Right is a Right....you can decide not to like the right but you are wrong............
Just really like the phrase--kinda like "How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

when only the military and police have guns you have the first step to a mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing if bad people get in charge of the government......that is why you keep the normal people armed.
No, that is why you are careful not to elect bad people, including people who scapegoat an entire ethnic group or engage in hate rhetoric or push a certain group's supremacy.

Sorry.....that is no way to keep people out of gas chambers...didn't work in Germany, or the rest of Europe.....and 12 million people who think like you were marched into gas chambers.......

It WOULD have worked in Germany if they hadn't cleaved onto Hitler as their economic and national savior in the 30's. He was elected to begin with, you know. Huge popular support before the evil ideas imbedded in his nationalist and socialist agenda became clear.

Yeah....but that kind of wrecks your whole point..........it works...until it doesn't...then 12 million unarmed people are marched into gas chambers....

Yeah....but that kind of wrecks your whole point..........it works...until it doesn't...then 12 million unarmed people are marched into gas chambers....

Figuratively, that's what Republicans are doing to the middle class.

 

[2aguy]

Arrest, fine, and imprison employers that hire illegals. That includes Canadians.

Arrest, fine, and imprison government bureaucrats when illegals use fake documents on I9 screenings.

Arrest, fine, and imprison illegals who engage in identity theft.

Arrest, fine, and imprison government bureaucrats when illegals use fake documents on I9 screenings.

If they knowing let it happen, sure.

Arrest, fine, and imprison illegals who engage in identity theft.

Hasn't Obama deported more illegals than any sitting President?

No....that is a false stat...they manipulated a stat to make it look like it....and all the illegal kids coming across the border are flooding those areas.....