Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

The border will never be secure to the satisfaction of Republicans

It just gives them an excuse to block immigration reform


Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


Digging a tunnel is a lot harder than walking across open land.

And considering the talking points the Left uses against enforcing immigration laws, ie Humans have a right to go where they want, or that whites stole the land from the indians, discussing Open Border is completely called for.

Not to mention that ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Arguing that the border is not "open" when 11 MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY IS semantic nonsense.
Taking a boat to get around it is much easier than digging a tunnel.


Getting a boat is a lot harder than walking across open ground.
Smugglers have been smuggling people into America for decades and decades. They will not let a Trump built wall stop them. They will adjust and adapt the way they always have. As long as people can get jobs here they will keep coming. The problem will not stop until the people who hire them are targeted and prosecuted. Those are the laws that need enforcing, but will not be. Corrupt politicians won't let those kinds of laws be enforced. Even Trump turns a blind eye and blamed the undocumented on his job sites on the "contractors". The walls we need are already built. We just have the wrong people enclosed in them.
 
One of Trump's goofy promises. Mexico has zero reason to pay for it and plenty of reason not to.

We'll take their desperate and unemployed.
.


wake up people, Trump did not say he was going to send Mexico an invoice and ask them to write us a check. Are you fools really that ignorant?

We can make them pay thru tariffs, foreign aid cuts, fuel sanctions, and several other fiscal means.

It always amazes me how stupid half of this country is.

Ok, so we put tariffs on Mexican products...and they retaliate....like the Ford automobiles which are going to be built there starting next year to be imported into the USA. Guess who will end up paying those tariffs? You guessed it! US Ford customers!
So don't buy a ford unless they bring their plants back to the US

Should I buy a Kia? The build those in Georgia....with robots...
Better than Ford who pays Mexicans
At least the people working at the Kia plant live in America
 
You're quoting a former Mexican president? I don't care who pays for it, just build it...then put armed guards all over it.
It's not going to get built. Building it requires that we pay for it and in the ten years since George Bush signed a bill to build it, neither party funded it in Congress.


so you favor open borders? please explain why
Didn't say that. I can't help you're retarded and can't understand what people write.


You said it would not be built and seem happy about that. Do you support enforcement of our immigration laws or not? simple question
 
I am sure that those who believe in bumper sticker solutions to complex problems would love a wall. The rest of us make a living selling those bumper sticker to those people, so I guess that we should not discourage them.


secure the border first, stop illegal immigration completely, then lets talk about what we do after that.

The border will never be secure to the satisfaction of Republicans

It just gives them an excuse to block immigration reform


Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


With 20 million or more in the country illegally, it seems that our borders are quite open and have been for some time.

So, once again, do you support open borders or enforcement of our immigration laws?
 
Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


Digging a tunnel is a lot harder than walking across open land.

And considering the talking points the Left uses against enforcing immigration laws, ie Humans have a right to go where they want, or that whites stole the land from the indians, discussing Open Border is completely called for.

Not to mention that ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Arguing that the border is not "open" when 11 MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY IS semantic nonsense.
Taking a boat to get around it is much easier than digging a tunnel.


Getting a boat is a lot harder than walking across open ground.
Sure, it's harder than walking across open ground, but such a wall is not going to keep them out.

And again, in almost ten years neither party has had any interest in funding it. They are not going to even if Trump becomes president.

Secure Fence Act of 2006 (2006 - H.R. 6061)


Try to enter and stay in Mexico illegally. They will jail your sorry ass for months and then maybe deport you.

You fricken libs are ignorant morons.
 
One of Trump's goofy promises. Mexico has zero reason to pay for it and plenty of reason not to.

We'll take their desperate and unemployed.
.


wake up people, Trump did not say he was going to send Mexico an invoice and ask them to write us a check. Are you fools really that ignorant?

We can make them pay thru tariffs, foreign aid cuts, fuel sanctions, and several other fiscal means.

It always amazes me how stupid half of this country is.

Ok, so we put tariffs on Mexican products...and they retaliate....like the Ford automobiles which are going to be built there starting next year to be imported into the USA. Guess who will end up paying those tariffs? You guessed it! US Ford customers!
So don't buy a ford unless they bring their plants back to the US

Should I buy a Kia? The build those in Georgia....with robots...
Better than Ford who pays Mexicans
At least the people working at the Kia plant live in America


Not just Kia, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Subaru, VW, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, all in non union factories in the south. The problem is the UAW and the high tax liberal state of Michigan.
 
I am sure that those who believe in bumper sticker solutions to complex problems would love a wall. The rest of us make a living selling those bumper sticker to those people, so I guess that we should not discourage them.


secure the border first, stop illegal immigration completely, then lets talk about what we do after that.

The border will never be secure to the satisfaction of Republicans

It just gives them an excuse to block immigration reform


Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


With 20 million or more in the country illegally, it seems that our borders are quite open and have been for some time.

So, once again, do you support open borders or enforcement of our immigration laws?
Do you support jailing CEO's and business people who employ undocumented workers? Simple question. Do you support enforcing the laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented workers or not?
 
secure the border first, stop illegal immigration completely, then lets talk about what we do after that.

The border will never be secure to the satisfaction of Republicans

It just gives them an excuse to block immigration reform


Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


With 20 million or more in the country illegally, it seems that our borders are quite open and have been for some time.

So, once again, do you support open borders or enforcement of our immigration laws?
Do you support jailing CEO's and business people who employ undocumented workers? Simple question. Do you support enforcing the laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented workers or not?


Yes, do you?

Now, your turn. open borders or enforcement of immigration law?
 
Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Source: CNBC

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Holly Ellyatt | Hadley Gamble
2 Hours Ago
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might want to build a wall across the country's southern border to keep Mexican migrants out but don't expect Mexico to pay for it, the former Mexican president told CNBC, calling the billionaire a "not very well-informed man."

The Presidential hopeful shocked viewers in October by insisting that, if elected, he would build a wall the Mexican border and what's more, Mexico would pay for it. But Felipe Calderon, the former president of Mexico between 2006 and 2012, told CNBC on Saturday that there was no way that Mexico would pay for such a device.

"Mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall! And it's going to be completely useless," Calderon said.

"The first loser of such a policy would be the United States," he added. "If this guy pretends that closing the borders to anywhere either for trade (or) for people is going to provide prosperity to the United States, he is completely crazy."


Read more: Mexico 'won't pay a cent for Trump's stupid wall'

It is highly doubtful that Mexico will pay anything.


You can't mean Trump is full of shit,can you??
 
Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Source: CNBC

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Holly Ellyatt | Hadley Gamble
2 Hours Ago
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might want to build a wall across the country's southern border to keep Mexican migrants out but don't expect Mexico to pay for it, the former Mexican president told CNBC, calling the billionaire a "not very well-informed man."

The Presidential hopeful shocked viewers in October by insisting that, if elected, he would build a wall the Mexican border and what's more, Mexico would pay for it. But Felipe Calderon, the former president of Mexico between 2006 and 2012, told CNBC on Saturday that there was no way that Mexico would pay for such a device.

"Mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall! And it's going to be completely useless," Calderon said.

"The first loser of such a policy would be the United States," he added. "If this guy pretends that closing the borders to anywhere either for trade (or) for people is going to provide prosperity to the United States, he is completely crazy."


Read more: Mexico 'won't pay a cent for Trump's stupid wall'

It is highly doubtful that Mexico will pay anything.


You can't mean Trump is full of shit,can you??


No, Mexico is not going to write us a check for the wall. Are you really that stupid? They will pay in other ways.
 
Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Source: CNBC

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Holly Ellyatt | Hadley Gamble
2 Hours Ago
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might want to build a wall across the country's southern border to keep Mexican migrants out but don't expect Mexico to pay for it, the former Mexican president told CNBC, calling the billionaire a "not very well-informed man."

The Presidential hopeful shocked viewers in October by insisting that, if elected, he would build a wall the Mexican border and what's more, Mexico would pay for it. But Felipe Calderon, the former president of Mexico between 2006 and 2012, told CNBC on Saturday that there was no way that Mexico would pay for such a device.

"Mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall! And it's going to be completely useless," Calderon said.

"The first loser of such a policy would be the United States," he added. "If this guy pretends that closing the borders to anywhere either for trade (or) for people is going to provide prosperity to the United States, he is completely crazy."


Read more: Mexico 'won't pay a cent for Trump's stupid wall'

It is highly doubtful that Mexico will pay anything.


You can't mean Trump is full of shit,can you??


No, Mexico is not going to write us a check for the wall. Are you really that stupid? They will pay in other ways.


and I'll bet Trump would benefit from anything financial Mexico does Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him
 
You're quoting a former Mexican president? I don't care who pays for it, just build it...then put armed guards all over it.
It's not going to get built. Building it requires that we pay for it and in the ten years since George Bush signed a bill to build it, neither party funded it in Congress.


so you favor open borders? please explain why
Didn't say that. I can't help you're retarded and can't understand what people write.


You said it would not be built and seem happy about that. Do you support enforcement of our immigration laws or not? simple question
If you imagine I seemed "happy" from that post, you are even crazier than I thought as I expressed no such emotion in it. I pointed out a fact -- nearly 10 years ago, Bush signed a bill into law to build that wall. Since then, both parties have controlled Congress at times.

Neither one would budget for building that wall.
 
Neither is true. Securing the border is relatively easy, the current president just doesn't want to do it. Enforcing current immigration law and figuring what to do about the illegals already here are two different endeavors, Until the borders are secure, there will be no sentiment to deal with the illegals already here.

Why exactly do you oppose enforcing our immigration laws? Be specific.
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


Digging a tunnel is a lot harder than walking across open land.

And considering the talking points the Left uses against enforcing immigration laws, ie Humans have a right to go where they want, or that whites stole the land from the indians, discussing Open Border is completely called for.

Not to mention that ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Arguing that the border is not "open" when 11 MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY IS semantic nonsense.
Taking a boat to get around it is much easier than digging a tunnel.


Getting a boat is a lot harder than walking across open ground.
Smugglers have been smuggling people into America for decades and decades. They will not let a Trump built wall stop them. They will adjust and adapt the way they always have. As long as people can get jobs here they will keep coming. The problem will not stop until the people who hire them are targeted and prosecuted. Those are the laws that need enforcing, but will not be. Corrupt politicians won't let those kinds of laws be enforced. Even Trump turns a blind eye and blamed the undocumented on his job sites on the "contractors". The walls we need are already built. We just have the wrong people enclosed in them.

The Chicken and Egg deflection is done. Trump, if he wins, will address both at the SAME TIME.

Thus decreasing reward and increasing difficulty for would be Illegals.

The Pretense that we could not do both at the same time was a lie designed to fool only the Willing DUpes.
 
It is not easy. It would be extremely expensive and the effectiveness of a physical wall still leaves plenty of options for sneaking into the country, including ladders, tunnels and holes created by various methods, including explosives and ramming. The idea is somewhat silly when you think of it. Promoted mostly by folks who have never witnessed the expanse of the border in person.
The talking point that the border is open is another silly notion along with the talking point that immigration laws are not enforced. Enforcement requires funding and the do nothing Congress that refuses to increase revenue are the people who control the issue.


Digging a tunnel is a lot harder than walking across open land.

And considering the talking points the Left uses against enforcing immigration laws, ie Humans have a right to go where they want, or that whites stole the land from the indians, discussing Open Border is completely called for.

Not to mention that ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Arguing that the border is not "open" when 11 MILLION ILLEGALS ARE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY IS semantic nonsense.
Taking a boat to get around it is much easier than digging a tunnel.


Getting a boat is a lot harder than walking across open ground.
Smugglers have been smuggling people into America for decades and decades. They will not let a Trump built wall stop them. They will adjust and adapt the way they always have. As long as people can get jobs here they will keep coming. The problem will not stop until the people who hire them are targeted and prosecuted. Those are the laws that need enforcing, but will not be. Corrupt politicians won't let those kinds of laws be enforced. Even Trump turns a blind eye and blamed the undocumented on his job sites on the "contractors". The walls we need are already built. We just have the wrong people enclosed in them.

The Chicken and Egg deflection is done. Trump, if he wins, will address both at the SAME TIME.

Thus decreasing reward and increasing difficulty for would be Illegals.

The Pretense that we could not do both at the same time was a lie designed to fool only the Willing DUpes.
How's he going to accomplish that? He's still going to need Congress to fund it. Something they've been unwilling to do since 2006.
 
Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Source: CNBC

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Holly Ellyatt | Hadley Gamble
2 Hours Ago
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might want to build a wall across the country's southern border to keep Mexican migrants out but don't expect Mexico to pay for it, the former Mexican president told CNBC, calling the billionaire a "not very well-informed man."

The Presidential hopeful shocked viewers in October by insisting that, if elected, he would build a wall the Mexican border and what's more, Mexico would pay for it. But Felipe Calderon, the former president of Mexico between 2006 and 2012, told CNBC on Saturday that there was no way that Mexico would pay for such a device.

"Mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall! And it's going to be completely useless," Calderon said.

"The first loser of such a policy would be the United States," he added. "If this guy pretends that closing the borders to anywhere either for trade (or) for people is going to provide prosperity to the United States, he is completely crazy."


Read more: Mexico 'won't pay a cent for Trump's stupid wall'

It is highly doubtful that Mexico will pay anything.


You can't mean Trump is full of shit,can you??


No, Mexico is not going to write us a check for the wall. Are you really that stupid? They will pay in other ways.


and I'll bet Trump would benefit from anything financial Mexico does Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him


Great, but you would probably trust the most corrupt politician in the history of this country, Hillary Clinton. Amazing.
 
There sure as hell isn't going to be a wall in the Southern Central AZ border. That belongs to an Indian tribe, which is on both sides of the border. They are a sovereign nation, and will not tolerate a US wall splitting their reservation.

This is going to be a big problem for Trump Enterprises. I feel sure that he has been investing in wall building companies....


Indian reservations are not "sovereign nations". They are part of the USA that has been deeded to the indian tribes. The are not separate countries. Are you a complete moron?

Red, I don't have time to educate you. I live next door to this reservation and Border Patrol is allowed in ONLY with their permission. Look it up for yourself. Again, the reservation is half in Mexico, and there is NO checkpoint between the Mexican half and the US half, except one that is manned by by their own people.


You said that indian reservations were sovereign nat
There sure as hell isn't going to be a wall in the Southern Central AZ border. That belongs to an Indian tribe, which is on both sides of the border. They are a sovereign nation, and will not tolerate a US wall splitting their reservation.

This is going to be a big problem for Trump Enterprises. I feel sure that he has been investing in wall building companies....


Indian reservations are not "sovereign nations". They are part of the USA that has been deeded to the indian tribes. The are not separate countries. Are you a complete moron?

Red, I don't have time to educate you. I live next door to this reservation and Border Patrol is allowed in ONLY with their permission. Look it up for yourself. Again, the reservation is half in Mexico, and there is NO checkpoint between the Mexican half and the US half, except one that is manned by by their own people.


you said that indian reservations were sovereign nations, That is not true. They are part of the USA. I don't know the specifics on the one that you say is in both the US and Mexico, but I can guarantee that the federal government thinks that the part in the US is US territory.

If there is no checkpoint at the border, there should be.

Indian reservations are sovereign in the same sense that states are soverieng. The feds have limited authority there, and one thing they can not do is take their land and build fences on it.

Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You're quoting a former Mexican president? I don't care who pays for it, just build it...then put armed guards all over it.
It's not going to get built. Building it requires that we pay for it and in the ten years since George Bush signed a bill to build it, neither party funded it in Congress.


so you favor open borders? please explain why
Didn't say that. I can't help you're retarded and can't understand what people write.


You said it would not be built and seem happy about that. Do you support enforcement of our immigration laws or not? simple question
If you imagine I seemed "happy" from that post, you are even crazier than I thought as I expressed no such emotion in it. I pointed out a fact -- nearly 10 years ago, Bush signed a bill into law to build that wall. Since then, both parties have controlled Congress at times.

Neither one would budget for building that wall.


Should they? do you support a wall or not? I'm trying to figure out where you are on this.
 
shes not even close to the pig that put us into an unwinable war based on bs
 
There sure as hell isn't going to be a wall in the Southern Central AZ border. That belongs to an Indian tribe, which is on both sides of the border. They are a sovereign nation, and will not tolerate a US wall splitting their reservation.

This is going to be a big problem for Trump Enterprises. I feel sure that he has been investing in wall building companies....


Indian reservations are not "sovereign nations". They are part of the USA that has been deeded to the indian tribes. The are not separate countries. Are you a complete moron?

Red, I don't have time to educate you. I live next door to this reservation and Border Patrol is allowed in ONLY with their permission. Look it up for yourself. Again, the reservation is half in Mexico, and there is NO checkpoint between the Mexican half and the US half, except one that is manned by by their own people.


You said that indian reservations were sovereign nat
There sure as hell isn't going to be a wall in the Southern Central AZ border. That belongs to an Indian tribe, which is on both sides of the border. They are a sovereign nation, and will not tolerate a US wall splitting their reservation.

This is going to be a big problem for Trump Enterprises. I feel sure that he has been investing in wall building companies....


Indian reservations are not "sovereign nations". They are part of the USA that has been deeded to the indian tribes. The are not separate countries. Are you a complete moron?

Red, I don't have time to educate you. I live next door to this reservation and Border Patrol is allowed in ONLY with their permission. Look it up for yourself. Again, the reservation is half in Mexico, and there is NO checkpoint between the Mexican half and the US half, except one that is manned by by their own people.


you said that indian reservations were sovereign nations, That is not true. They are part of the USA. I don't know the specifics on the one that you say is in both the US and Mexico, but I can guarantee that the federal government thinks that the part in the US is US territory.

If there is no checkpoint at the border, there should be.

Indian reservations are sovereign in the same sense that states are soverieng. The feds have limited authority there, and one thing they can not do is take their land and build fences on it.

Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Yes, they are like any other private property. But if you think the federal govt could not invoke imminent domain on them, you are very naïve.
 
I think a wall's a good idea (don't tell anyone but our northern border is entirely nonexistent where I live) but wouldn't it have to be really, really long in order to be effective? I've heard 700 miles, but surely we border Mexico a lot more than that? There's that, and all the tunnels. I'm still trying to picture it, is all.
That, and, knowing how human beings work, if we build a wall they will find another route--row boats, no doubt.
Oh dear! So you think the Canada/US border is only 700 miles long? You REALLY need to find a fucking map and get someone to explain it to you.
Anyway.
The reason there has never been any need for a 'wall' between the two countries is frankly very few Canadians would ever want to move to the US.
President Trump will make one phone call to Mexico's President and President Trump will have a cheque for 50 billion dollars from Mexico laying on President Trump's Oval office desk the next day.
Mexico has trillions of US dollars in offshore accounts from the Cartels. President Trump knows this fact and Mexico's President knows President Trump knows he knows.
 

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