Michael Brown was 148 feet from Wilson as he was shot to death

[RKMBrown]

Is the boy alive or dead? This is not hard. Why are you being obtuse? If the boy wasn't executed, he'd be alive.

I wouldn't call a 6'4" 292 Lb. 18 year old a "boy".

Well he didn't act very much like a man, did he?

He acted like the thug he was. He was a legal adult, and posed a credible threat based on his demonstrated behavior.

True.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

It's really simple to measure the distance, and quite accurately:




Those who measured started at the fire-hydrant that was near the police car from which officer Wilson fired the deadly shots:

Distance from the driver's side door (when officer Wilson claims he fired the shots) to the fire hydrant: 17 feet.

Distance from the fire hydrant to the spot where Michael Brown was standing when he was shot: 131 feet.

131 +17 = 148.

Now, there is an angle involved between the cop car and the hydrant, which means that actual distance of 17 feet, calculated as a straight line, will be somewhat less, maybe one third less. So, the true distance may be 140 to 141 feet. The angle represented by the yellow line looks to be about 35 degrees to the plain, if you consider the straight path of the sidewalk next to the hydrant to be the plain.

The police report says 35 feet. And a police officer said TWICE in a press conference that the distance was 35 feet:



(1:13 and 6:01)

35 feet and 148 are nowhere close to each other in terms of distance. 148 feet = 49 yards, or just about one-half of a football field.

The film clearly documents the start and end points, and they can be confirmed by police photos and photos shot by witnesses on that day.

35 feet could be an argument for immediate danger for a police officer. But 148 feet? No way.

Why did the Ferguson police lie about this detail?

And if the Ferguson police have lied about this, then we must ask what else they have lied about?

You know, sometimes it's all about simple math. The Ferguson police can lie for a while, but they cannot change geography and they cannot undo so many photos and videos.



Discuss.

Does a suspected perpetrator who is 148 feet away from an officer represent a danger to that officer's life?

Does a suspected perpetrator who is 148 feet away from an officer represent a danger to that officer's life?

Was he a danger when he was wrestling in the car for the officer's gun?

Michael Brown could run 148 is 6 or 7 seconds, which isn't a long time to contemplate one's mortality.

Just sayin'.

I seriously doubt that overweight out of weight blob could run that fast, but it is irrelevant. Brown wasn't 148 from Wilson when Wilson fired.

 

[koshergrl]

Words mean something.
The difference is just as Boss said. It's when a death sentence is carried out.

"Execution-style" killings that are conducted outside of the law involve the pre-meditated decision that someone needs to die, for whatever reason.

There's no pre-meditation in this case, and there certainly was no conviction or death sentence. It wasn't an execution. It was an idiot getting shot because he attacked a cop. The world is better off without this moron terrorizing people.

Watch the video interview for Wilson. He quite literally admits to pre-mediated thought regarding the killing of Brown.

Wilson had plenty of time to consider his actions. The last two bullets were quite literally an execution. Legal execution, but execution nonetheless. The GJ was read an incorrect explanation regarding the law. The GJ was told that it is legal for a cop to execute a fleeing suspect.

Sorry, GJ didn't agree. They heard the witnesses, not you. I'll trust them.

 

[RKMBrown]

And still, no one has gotten the very simple mathematical point presented in the OP that can only lead to one logical conclusion. Almost 700 postings, bitching like schoolchildren, but very little cogent thought.

What a shame.

I did address it, and you ignored it. The distance from the vehicle was irrelevant, Wilson pursued him on foot. The physical evidence showed the bullet casings of the shots fired to be in the same vicinity as Brown, not 170 feet away.

Ayup he was up close when he capped him in the head.

Ayup, and Brown was still charging until that final round hit him

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

 

[koshergrl]

Who cares.

Not me.

 

[RKMBrown]

Words mean something.
The difference is just as Boss said. It's when a death sentence is carried out.

"Execution-style" killings that are conducted outside of the law involve the pre-meditated decision that someone needs to die, for whatever reason.

There's no pre-meditation in this case, and there certainly was no conviction or death sentence. It wasn't an execution. It was an idiot getting shot because he attacked a cop. The world is better off without this moron terrorizing people.

Watch the video interview for Wilson. He quite literally admits to pre-mediated thought regarding the killing of Brown.

Wilson had plenty of time to consider his actions. The last two bullets were quite literally an execution. Legal execution, but execution nonetheless. The GJ was read an incorrect explanation regarding the law. The GJ was told that it is legal for a cop to execute a fleeing suspect.

Sorry, GJ didn't agree. They heard the witnesses, not you. I'll trust them.

Huh? I'm talking about apples... and you are discussion oranges. The GJ was read an incorrect description of the law wrt. police procedure. This is a documented fact.

 

[koshergrl]

"So far overlooked in all recent Brown media coverage, however, is an important piece of evidence: an audiotape of the Brown shooting. The grand jury listened to the tape, giving them incontrovertible evidence about the timing of the shots. Yet the audiotape does not appear to have been among the documents released by the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office. As a result, the tape has been ignored in discussion about the grand jury’s decision. But the audiotape — combined with the forensic evidence from the scene — provides powerful corroboration of Officer Wilson’s testimony that Michael Brown was charging him."

"As Brown stopped moving, Wilson stopped shooting. Witness 10 said that Wilson stopped for “maybe two seconds” (184:9). But then Brown began “charging” again, and Officer Wilson responded with more shots (184:16). Witness 10 estimated that the number of shots this time was “three to four” — matching the four shots identified on the audiotape, as well as the fact of a pause between the two volleys."

"The blood spatter also shows direction — specifically that Brown was moving towards Wilson — as is apparent from the physical appearance of the spots. (This commonsense conclusion is confirmed by experts. For example, Sunday’s story in The Post quotes Michael F. LaForte, a Florida-based forensics expert who examined the investigative reports, as concluding that “lood strikes the ground and then radiates out in the direction he was traveling.”) So the physical evidence shows Brown moved at least 22 feet generally away from the cone and towards Wilson."

The overlooked audiotape of the Michael Brown shooting - The Washington Post

 

[RKMBrown]

Who cares.

Not me.

I care.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Face it, the grand jury didn't think so.

Do you have a link where the GJ said it wasn't an execution?

I don't need a link, the GJ didn't indict Wilson, so it is obvious they did not believe he executed Brown. Stop being such a moron. What happened with the last two bullets that struck Brown is irrelevant. We can't dismiss everything that transpired up to that point and pretend Michael Brown was innocently bending over to tie his shoes on the way home from the store with his Skittles and Ice Tea. He attacked and assaulted Wilson, tried to take his gun, and was charging toward Wilson when he was fatally shot.

Translation, you got nothing. The GJ let the cop execute the boy.

No, they would have indicted Wilson had that been the case. You are the one who's got nothing, or at least, you're not offering anything. Do you have evidence the GJ let the cop get away with executing somebody? Nope... it's just your opinion and you're wrong.

Is the boy alive or dead? This is not hard. Why are you being obtuse? If the boy wasn't executed, he'd be alive.

The reason the GJ did not rule to indict is they were instructed that it is legal for cops to execute escaping suspects.

Executed? Escaping?

 

[boedicca]

It's really simple to measure the distance, and quite accurately:




Those who measured started at the fire-hydrant that was near the police car from which officer Wilson fired the deadly shots:

Distance from the driver's side door (when officer Wilson claims he fired the shots) to the fire hydrant: 17 feet.

Distance from the fire hydrant to the spot where Michael Brown was standing when he was shot: 131 feet.

131 +17 = 148.

Now, there is an angle involved between the cop car and the hydrant, which means that actual distance of 17 feet, calculated as a straight line, will be somewhat less, maybe one third less. So, the true distance may be 140 to 141 feet. The angle represented by the yellow line looks to be about 35 degrees to the plain, if you consider the straight path of the sidewalk next to the hydrant to be the plain.

The police report says 35 feet. And a police officer said TWICE in a press conference that the distance was 35 feet:



(1:13 and 6:01)

35 feet and 148 are nowhere close to each other in terms of distance. 148 feet = 49 yards, or just about one-half of a football field.

The film clearly documents the start and end points, and they can be confirmed by police photos and photos shot by witnesses on that day.

35 feet could be an argument for immediate danger for a police officer. But 148 feet? No way.

Why did the Ferguson police lie about this detail?

And if the Ferguson police have lied about this, then we must ask what else they have lied about?

You know, sometimes it's all about simple math. The Ferguson police can lie for a while, but they cannot change geography and they cannot undo so many photos and videos.



Discuss.

Does a suspected perpetrator who is 148 feet away from an officer represent a danger to that officer's life?

Does a suspected perpetrator who is 148 feet away from an officer represent a danger to that officer's life?

Was he a danger when he was wrestling in the car for the officer's gun?

Michael Brown could run 148 is 6 or 7 seconds, which isn't a long time to contemplate one's mortality.

Just sayin'.

I seriously doubt that overweight out of weight blob could run that fast, but it is irrelevant. Brown wasn't 148 from Wilson when Wilson fired.

Well, even if he were walking, he'd get to Wilson in less than half a minute.

 

[koshergrl]

Words mean something.
The difference is just as Boss said. It's when a death sentence is carried out.

"Execution-style" killings that are conducted outside of the law involve the pre-meditated decision that someone needs to die, for whatever reason.

There's no pre-meditation in this case, and there certainly was no conviction or death sentence. It wasn't an execution. It was an idiot getting shot because he attacked a cop. The world is better off without this moron terrorizing people.

Watch the video interview for Wilson. He quite literally admits to pre-mediated thought regarding the killing of Brown.

Wilson had plenty of time to consider his actions. The last two bullets were quite literally an execution. Legal execution, but execution nonetheless. The GJ was read an incorrect explanation regarding the law. The GJ was told that it is legal for a cop to execute a fleeing suspect.

Sorry, GJ didn't agree. They heard the witnesses, not you. I'll trust them.

Huh? I'm talking about apples... and you are discussion oranges. The GJ was read an incorrect description of the law wrt. police procedure. This is a documented fact.

Documented fact is that he wasn't executed, and that he was charging the officer.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I did address it, and you ignored it. The distance from the vehicle was irrelevant, Wilson pursued him on foot. The physical evidence showed the bullet casings of the shots fired to be in the same vicinity as Brown, not 170 feet away.

Ayup he was up close when he capped him in the head.

Ayup, and Brown was still charging until that final round hit him

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

I am willing to concede that as a possibility , but what does that change?

And do you understand why a shooter might fire off four rounds in that situation when 2 would have done the job?

 

[RKMBrown]

"So far overlooked in all recent Brown media coverage, however, is an important piece of evidence: an audiotape of the Brown shooting. The grand jury listened to the tape, giving them incontrovertible evidence about the timing of the shots. Yet the audiotape does not appear to have been among the documents released by the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office. As a result, the tape has been ignored in discussion about the grand jury’s decision. But the audiotape — combined with the forensic evidence from the scene — provides powerful corroboration of Officer Wilson’s testimony that Michael Brown was charging him."

"As Brown stopped moving, Wilson stopped shooting. Witness 10 said that Wilson stopped for “maybe two seconds” (184:9). But then Brown began “charging” again, and Officer Wilson responded with more shots (184:16). Witness 10 estimated that the number of shots this time was “three to four” — matching the four shots identified on the audiotape, as well as the fact of a pause between the two volleys."

"The blood spatter also shows direction — specifically that Brown was moving towards Wilson — as is apparent from the physical appearance of the spots. (This commonsense conclusion is confirmed by experts. For example, Sunday’s story in The Post quotes Michael F. LaForte, a Florida-based forensics expert who examined the investigative reports, as concluding that “lood strikes the ground and then radiates out in the direction he was traveling.”) So the physical evidence shows Brown moved at least 22 feet generally away from the cone and towards Wilson."

The overlooked audiotape of the Michael Brown shooting - The Washington Post

that's what I said.. four shots in rapid succession at the end boom chest boom chest falling now... boom top of head... boom top of head.... dead on the concrete.

 

[koshergrl]

That might be what you said.

That's not what that article says, however.

 

[RKMBrown]

Ayup he was up close when he capped him in the head.

Ayup, and Brown was still charging until that final round hit him

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

I am willing to concede that as a possibility , but what does that change?

And do you understand why a shooter might fire off four rounds in that situation when 2 would have done the job?

Yes... I understand why. To make sure he gets his job done. Wanted to make sure he stopped moving this time.

 

[RKMBrown]

That might be what you said.

That's not what that article says, however.

that's how I read it and the evidence... how many steps do you think he made on those last four shots in rapid succession? One? Two? It took the officer all of 1.7 seconds to make the last four shots.

 

[Ravi]

Ayup he was up close when he capped him in the head.

Ayup, and Brown was still charging until that final round hit him

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

I am willing to concede that as a possibility , but what does that change?

And do you understand why a shooter might fire off four rounds in that situation when 2 would have done the job?

Poor training?

Stupidity?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Ayup, and Brown was still charging until that final round hit him

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

I am willing to concede that as a possibility , but what does that change?

And do you understand why a shooter might fire off four rounds in that situation when 2 would have done the job?

Poor training?

Stupidity?

We're talking about Wilson here dear, not you.

Do you know what adrenaline does to a body? If not, go away the adults are talking.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

That might be what you said.

That's not what that article says, however.

that's how I read it and the evidence... how many steps do you think he made on those last four shots in rapid succession? One? Two? It took the officer all of 1.7 seconds to make the last four shots.

Correct, 1.7 seconds, guarantee there was no thought from Wilson between shots 2 and 4, it was just adrenaline at that poiiznt, which is not uncommon, and is exactly why I said a month ago that it is doubtful he even realized how many rounds he fired.

 

[Ravi]

You mean the final four shots. Two to the chest two to the head.

I said he was still charging when the final round hit him, that automatically means he was still charging when the three before that one him him.

Was Wilson supposed to shit him just a few time and then if he kept charging say fuck it and let the guy either get a hold of him, or get away?

no not necessarily... I think it's important to mention it was four shots in rapid succession as he fell to the ground. The two to the chest where frontal. The two to the top of the head that occurred as he was falling down went into the top of his head. In translation... he was not charging on the last four shots he was going down on the first two of the last four shots. The last two were "overkill."

I am willing to concede that as a possibility , but what does that change?

And do you understand why a shooter might fire off four rounds in that situation when 2 would have done the job?

Poor training?

Stupidity?

We're talking about Wilson here dear, not you.

Do you know what adrenaline does to a body? If not, go away the adults are talking.

Sure I know. So should have Wilson since he fucking got paid to know.

Were you a trigger happy mp?