Michael Brown was 148 feet from Wilson as he was shot to death

[Statistikhengst]

Okay, let's do the same thing with a black grand jury and a prosecutor who doesn't misstate the law.

I've got a better idea.... How about we commend an officer for doing his job properly, and taking one more worthless waste of flesh and oxygen (aka - a criminal) off the streets, permanently.

Says a lot about your mindset, is, however, unrelated to the topic of the OP.

 

[Statistikhengst]

incorrect go try again math guy

--LOL

did you watch the video? Yes , or no?

 

[Pop23]

With 40 onlookers, at noon on a residential street and none of the witnesses reported seeing this movement.

Delusional much?

You mean the crime scene that the cops left the body in the street for hours, where they didn't file an incident report, where the coroner took no pictures because his camera battery was dead, where Wilson was allowed to drive his vehicle back to the station and enter his own gun into evidence, after being allowed to wash up without being photographed?

You realize that officers often wash the blood from themselves because of blood borne disease, Right? This is NOT unusual, and most often done at the scene, Right ?

Did he launder his uniform?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

From the reams of grand jury testimony and police evidence, here are some key points that, if this case had gone to trial, could have been highlighted by prosecutors (not including the witnesses who appeared to contradict Wilson’s testimony):

1. Wilson washed away blood evidence.

In an interview with police investigators, Wilson admitted that after the shooting he returned to police headquarters and washed blood off his body -- physical evidence that could have helped to prove or disprove a critical piece of Wilson’s testimony regarding his struggle with Brown inside the police car. He told his interrogator that he had blood on both of his hands. “I think it was his blood,” Wilson said referring to Brown. He added that he was not cut anywhere.



A photo of Wilson's injuries taken at the hospital after his altercation with Brown, released by the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office.

2. The first officer to interview Wilson failed to take any notes.

The first supervising officer to the scene, who was also the first person to interview Wilson about the incident, didn’t take any notes about their conversation. In testimony more than a month after the incident, the officer offered his account from memory. He explained that he hadn’t been equipped with a recorder and hadn’t tried to take any written notes due to the chaotic nature of the situation. He also didn’t write up any notes soon after the fact. “I didn’t take notes because at that point in time I had multiple things going through my head besides what Darren was telling me,” the officer stated.

The same officer admitted during his grand jury testimony that Wilson had called him personally after they both had been interviewed by investigators. Wilson then went over his account again with the officer. The officer told the grand jury that there were no discrepancies between Wilson’s first account in person and his second account on the phone. But the call raises questions about whether Wilson may have influenced witness testimony.

3. Investigators failed to measure the likely distance between Brown and Wilson.

An unnamed medical legal examiner who responded to the shooting testified before the grand jury that he or she had not taken any distance measurements at the scene, because they appeared “self-explanatory.”

“Somebody shot somebody. There was no question as to any distances or anything of that nature at the time I was there,” the examiner told the jury.

The examiner also noted that he or she hadn’t been able to take pictures at the scene -- as is standard -- because the camera's batteries were dead. The examiner later testified that he or she accompanied investigators from the St. Louis County Police Department as they photographed Brown’s body.



A photo of the Aug. 9 crime scene in Ferguson, released by the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office.

4. Investigators did not test Wilson’s gun for fingerprints.

Talking with police investigators and before the grand jury, Wilson claimed that Brown had grabbed at Wilson's gun during the initial incident in the police car and that Brown's hand was on the firearm when it misfired at least once. Wilson also told police that he thought Brown would overpower him and shoot him with his own gun. “I was not in control of the gun,” Wilson said. Eventually he regained control of the weapon and fired from within the car.

Investigators could have helped to prove or disprove Wilson’s testimony by testing his service weapon for Brown’s fingerprints. But the gun was not tested for fingerprints. An investigator argued before the grand jury that the decision was made not to test the weapon because Wilson “never lost control of his gun.”

5. Wilson did not immediately turn his weapon over to investigators after killing Brown.

A detective with the St. Louis County Police Department, who conducted the first official interview of Wilson, testified to the grand jury that Wilson had packaged his own service weapon into an evidence envelope following his arrival at the police station in the wake of the shooting. The detective said the practice was not usual for his department, though he was unclear on the protocol of the Ferguson Police Department. He said he didn’t explore that aspect further at the time.

According to the detective’s testimony, standard practice for the St. Louis County Police Department would be for an officer involved in a shooting to keep his or her weapon holstered until it can be turned over to a supervisor and a crime scene unit detective. While that clearly didn’t take place in Wilson’s case, the detective also testified that he believed the firearm was handled in a way that preserved the chain of custody.



A photo of Wilson's service weapon, released by the St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office.

6. An initial interview with investigators was delayed while Wilson traveled to the hospital with his superiors.

The same St. Louis County Police Department detective also testified that while he had intended to conduct his initial interview with Wilson at the Ferguson police station, a lieutenant colonel with the Ferguson Police Department decided that Wilson first needed to go to the hospital for medical treatment. The detective said that while it is common practice to defer to any medical decision of this nature, Wilson appeared to be in good health and didn’t have any notable injuries that would have prevented an interview from being conducted at the station. Wilson would also testify that he didn’t believe he needed to go to the hospital.

But that day, Wilson got into a vehicle with the lieutenant colonel and another Ferguson police official and went to the hospital, while the St. Louis County detective traveled in another vehicle.

7. Wilson’s initial interview with the detective conflicts with information given in later testimony.

In his first interview with the detective, just hours after Brown’s death, Wilson didn’t claim to have any knowledge that Brown was suspected of stealing cigarillos from a nearby convenience store. The only mention of cigarillos he made to the detective was a recollection of the call about the theft that had come across his radio and that provided a description of the suspect.

Wilson also told the detective that Brown had passed something off to his friend before punching Wilson in the face. At the time, the detective said, Wilson didn’t know what the item was, referring to it only as “something.” In subsequent interviews and testimony, however, Wilson claimed that he knew Brown’s hands were full of cigarillos and that fact eventually led him to believe Brown may have been a suspect in the theft.

Lol, the breadth and depth of your ignorance is astounding! You actually think, actually believe, that you found something that the prosecutors didn't? Your stupidity is a never ending source of amazement.

How about addressing the points he brings up.

You guys claim up and down the "Forensics" back Wilson, and then ignore the fact that the investigation and evidence gathering was sloppy.

Its always the same.

RWs can't address actual facts so they hide behind childish name calling.

Its all they've got.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Stupidly Simple Science That Contradicts Darren Wilson's Testimony

 

[Statistikhengst]

Michael Brown was 148 feet from Wilson as he was shot to death

No he wasn't.

Simple math proves you wrong. And it is documented. You can even see the flowers still being put on the sidewalk directly across from the spot where Michael Brown was shot down in cold blood, 148 feet away from an officer who was in no way in danger.

He was 148 feet away and Wilson managed to get two head shots on the boy with a police issue Glock? Wow, that's amazing. Oh wait...

Again, the point that I am making is that simple math does not lie.

The distance between the passenger side door of the vehicle where Wilson claims to have fired the shot and the spot where Brown fell down, dead, is around 148 feet, not 17 feet. This means automatically that the FPD lied out it's teeth when it said that the distance was 35 feet. Or, Wilson was lying when he said that he shot from behind the passenger seat of the car. Or, he got two perfect shots off, which would be a statistical anomaly at best. Either way, in terms of the actual distance measured between the passenger door of the police car from where officer Wilson claimed to have fired the shots and the spot where Brown died, it cannot possibly be 35, as the FPD claimed TWICE within 6 minutes in it's initial press conference.

The math simply does not add up for the FPD.

 

[Statistikhengst]

He was a criminal. Not that I believe your distances at all but he could have been 148 MILES away and he would still have deserved to die.

Maybe he deserved to be arrested and should have gotten a fair trial and a judgement. That's what the law says.

Do you not believe in the rule of law.

Policemen are not arrested for performing their duty.

The question is: did he do his duty or did he overstep the bounds of legality, which makes the kill unjustified. This is a strictly legal issue.

And the Grand Jury answered that question.

No. The jury made a decision, not a value judgement.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Panorama photo: cop car is on the left, Mike Brown's body is on the right.

The two sides of the apartment complex line up perfectly. There is no way in the world that that is even close to 35 feet. It is indeed well over 100 feet. 145-148 is more likely. The only way to get points A and B into the picture is with a panoramic photo. That alone tells you something about the distance.

Not that it matters because the distance is irrelevant, but even a 4 year old can see that that photo is touched up.

No. Wrong. Two photos have been laid over each other to make a panoramic view, but the fact that the two sides of the large apartment house in the middle of the picture match each other in dimension absolutely perfectly mean that the proportions are correct. Try again.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The evidence was put in front of the Grand Jury.
Many witnesses were involved.

The Grand Jury found Wilson was innocent of wrong doing.

It's hilarious that idiots like Stats think that they know better.

You missed the point entirely. You are incapable of reading for content. All you do is to bray like a savage, exactly what I expect from most righties. Carry on.

 

[JoeB131]

You realize that officers often wash the blood from themselves because of blood borne disease, Right? This is NOT unusual, and most often done at the scene, Right ?

Did he launder his uniform?

Usually, though, the document it before washing. But not in this case. Luddy did a good job detailing how really haphazard the "Forensics" were in this case, so I won't rehash them, but clearly, this was not a professional police force. These were a bunch of squirrel cops defending one of their own.

 

[Wildman]

It's really simple to measure the distance, and quite accurately:




Those who measured started at the fire-hydrant that was near the police car from which officer Wilson fired the deadly shots:

Distance from the driver's side door (when officer Wilson claims he fired the shots) to the fire hydrant: 17 feet.

Distance from the fire hydrant to the spot where Michael Brown was standing when he was shot: 131 feet.

131 +17 = 148.

Now, there is an angle involved between the cop car and the hydrant, which means that actual distance of 17 feet, calculated as a straight line, will be somewhat less, maybe one third less. So, the true distance may be 140 to 141 feet. The angle represented by the yellow line looks to be about 35 degrees to the plain, if you consider the straight path of the sidewalk next to the hydrant to be the plain.

The police report says 35 feet. And a police officer said TWICE in a press conference that the distance was 35 feet:



(1:13 and 6:01)

35 feet and 148 are nowhere close to each other in terms of distance. 148 feet = 49 yards, or just about one-half of a football field.

The film clearly documents the start and end points, and they can be confirmed by police photos and photos shot by witnesses on that day.

35 feet could be an argument for immediate danger for a police officer. But 148 feet? No way.

Why did the Ferguson police lie about this detail?

And if the Ferguson police have lied about this, then we must ask what else they have lied about?

You know, sometimes it's all about simple math. The Ferguson police can lie for a while, but they cannot change geography and they cannot undo so many photos and videos.



Discuss.

Does a suspected perpetrator who is 148 feet away from an officer represent a danger to that officer's life?

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what a bunch of fucking the fucking thug was almost inside the cops car when shot, the fucking S blood was splattered INSIDE the car how is it possible all that blood came from 148 feet away ?

Barkley got it right....

"Those aren't black people, those are scumbags," the NBA Hall of Famer and TNT basketball analyst said of the rioters, who targeted mostly minority-owned businesses.

"There is no excuse for people to be out there burning down people's businesses, burning down police cars."

he should have also said "little Micky" was a fucking scumbag for doing what he did, i believe "Little Micky" is exactly where he should be......, in HELL ! ...... .... .... .... ....

 

[Anathema]

Then why is this pistol used by the US navy, including navy seals?

CQB - Close Quarters Battle. Which is generally defined as fighting taking place in enclosed or confined spaces, urban environments, or at short ranges (less than 25 yards). That would include combat on Naval Vessels.

And where is the link that specifies the range of said pistol?

That link is more than 30 years of experience around firearms, and especially handguns. Even if I was inclined to waste my time seeking a link, the lack of a standardized definition if "Effective" turns all of their info into debates instead of hard and fast rules. Personally, I wouldn't use a pistol past about 20 yards as there are more effective tools, like carbines and rifles, for those extended distances.

 

[Pop23]

You realize that officers often wash the blood from themselves because of blood borne disease, Right? This is NOT unusual, and most often done at the scene, Right ?

Did he launder his uniform?

Usually, though, the document it before washing. But not in this case. Luddy did a good job detailing how really haphazard the "Forensics" were in this case, so I won't rehash them, but clearly, this was not a professional police force. These were a bunch of squirrel cops defending one of their own.

Did he launder his uniform or wipe down the vehicle?

If washing the blood off his skin was done to get rid of evidence, then he, and the force did a piss poor job, didn't they?

 

[Katzndogz]

Internet jurors always know more than the actual jurors. That's why they want trial by twitter.

 

[Meathead]

You realize that officers often wash the blood from themselves because of blood borne disease, Right? This is NOT unusual, and most often done at the scene, Right ?

Did he launder his uniform?

Usually, though, the document it before washing. But not in this case. Luddy did a good job detailing how really haphazard the "Forensics" were in this case, so I won't rehash them, but clearly, this was not a professional police force. These were a bunch of squirrel cops defending one of their own.

Did he launder his uniform or wipe down the vehicle?

If washing the blood off his skin was done to get rid of evidence, then he, and the force did a piss poor job, didn't they?

I would not want anyone's blood on me, especially a thug's. Things like hepatitis, AIDS and tuberculosis are prevalent in the black community. Eww!

 

[JFK_USA]

It doesn't matter if he was 20 miles away. Why are you doing this? Do you think that you can find out some evidence that the Grand Jury didn't? They hear the actual testimony from the experts and the witnesses, you did not and will not. YOU will accept anything gleaned off the internet unvetted in any way, as long as it promotes your narrative.

Yes it matters. You can't claim an imminent threat to your life if that threat is nowhere near you. So if you see a person walking on a sidewalk 200 feet away from you minding their own business that you believe is an imminent threat to your life, you can just start shooting them? What if that person walking was YOU?

 

[Roadrunner]

I bet you think anyone that has had a family member killed by a black should be excluded from police work, law school, or elective office, don't you?

No, but they should recuse themselves from cases involving race. Such a person WOULD have been excluded from a jury.

Get over it, your "hero" was a thug who brought on his own death.

Non-responsive. McCollough had a bias and should have recused himself. and if a special prosecutor came to the same conclusion he did, it would have had more credibility

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"The community" demanded a grand jury since they were not allowed to lynch Darren Wilson.

No, the community demanded a trial. Not the farce we got.

You have never explained how you get to a trial without a Grand Jury first.

Or, did Obama issue an executive order voiding the 5th Amendment, and I missed it?

Actually, he totally had the option to get charges without a grand jury. He just wanted someone else to share the blame.

Grand Jury Clause
A grand jury is a group of citizens who are summoned to criminal court by the sheriff to consider accusations and complaints leveled against persons who are suspected of engaging in criminal conduct. Grand juries do not determine guilt or innocence. Instead, they determine whether Probable Cause exists to believe that the accused has committed a crime, and they return an indictment (i.e., a formal charge against the accused) if they do find probable cause. In common law, a grand jury consisted of not fewer than 12, and not more than 23, men. Today, grand juries impaneled before a federal district court must consist of not fewer than 16, and not more than 23, men and women.
Potential jurors are usually drawn from lists of qualified residents. Persons who are below the age of majority, who have been convicted of certain crimes, who or are biased toward the accused are ineligible to serve as grand jurors.
The grand jury originated in England during the reign of henry ii (1154–89). In 1166, a statute called the Assize of Clarendon was enacted. The assize provided that no person could be prosecuted unless four men from each township and 12 men from each hundred appeared before the county court to accuse the individual of a specific crime. This compulsory process, called a presenting jury, foreshadowed the grand jury as an accusatory body that identified individuals for prosecution but made no finding as to guilt or innocence.
As the grand jury system developed in England and colonial America, it protected innocent persons who faced unfounded charges initiated by political, religious, and personal adversaries. The impartiality of grand juries is essential. This is a significant reason why the proceedings are convened in secrecy; otherwise, public scrutiny and similar prejudicial influences could affect their decision-making process. Although grand juries must be impartial, accused persons have no constitutional right to present evidence on their behalf or to cross-examine witnesses, and Hearsay evidence may be introduced against them.

Text of the 5th Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[Theowl32]

Hey stats. Tell us what the 7 eyewitnesses told the grand jury and then combine that with your bullshit.
Are you suggesting the cop was not punched in the face?

Lets see. A decorated cop with nothing on his record and a fat thug who just bullied a 4 foot 9 immigrant and who has a lengthy juvenile record. Of course for some reason we cannot see it.

His arms were not up. He was not shot in the back. The eyewitnesses contradict your fucking claims. He received instant karma.

Stats, you are a fucking loser.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

[
"The community" demanded a grand jury since they were not allowed to lynch Darren Wilson.

No, the community demanded a trial. Not the farce we got.

You have never explained how you get to a trial without a Grand Jury first.

Or, did Obama issue an executive order voiding the 5th Amendment, and I missed it?

Most crimes go to trial without first going to a GJ.

 

[RKMBrown]

3 bullet casings found close to browns body

evidence the distance between the two which was much MUCH less then 148 feet

I just assumed Wilson was pursing the fleeing teen firing away at him.. missing the shots when he was far away, causing the boy to turn.. and then as they came together he started hitting him ... and finally was close enough to shoot him in the head for the coup de grace.