Militarism at the Heart of US Gun Violence

Why didn't you mention white supremacy or corporations when it comes to "violence and hate in people's souls"?

Frankly I don't see White Supremacy as a big problem in our country. We have far bigger issues. If there is any rot in our souls it is clearly tied to the avalanche of soul-sucking demoralization of the Leftist agenda as promulgated via the public school system to turn our children into rule-following automatons that are now routinely given a criminal record for a Pop Tart, followed closely by the soul-sucking of Leftist-driven social media attacking all and demoralizing lives with no grasp on the real world any more.

Step by step, the white majority of this country has tried to peel away barriers to help minorities better access equality in living and opportunity too, yet each step of the way, the Leftist agenda has been to turn that into a political tool to make people feel isolated, divided, angry and driven, so that as each minority is given greater freedom to be equal, they in turn try to parley that into some power trip to lord OVER Whites instead!~~~ the new Inequality!

Everything from BLM to Obama, to demands for reparations and rioting and burning cities to where now a guy can't even compliment a woman on her hair, looks or dress without fearing losing his job and being labeled a sexual predator! Now the promotion of illegal immigration as if it were too some "right."

All of this has just made some feel that we wouldn't have these issues in the first place if we simply didn't have Leftists and Minorities IN THE FIRST PLACE. If there is a movement toward White Supremacy it certainly didn't start just two years ago under Trump; it has been fueled by years and years of many people simply getting sick and tired of being attacked, put down, their hand bitten for trying to be fair and told they are to blame for things they have no connection with!

So whatever the case is or shall be with White Supremacy, be sure that folks like you caused it and the whole Black Power, Female Liberation, White-Guilt trip. If Whites are rallying to a "supremacist" movement, be sure we are the last to arrive at the table just in lime to fight back for our own survival.
Frankly I don't see White Supremacy as a big problem in our country. We have far bigger issues. If there is any rot in our souls it is clearly tied to the avalanche of soul-sucking demoralization of the Leftist agenda as promulgated via the public school system to turn our children into rule-following automatons that are now routinely given a criminal record for a Pop Tart, followed closely by the soul-sucking of Leftist-driven social media attacking all and demoralizing lives with no grasp on the real world any more.
Where does systemic economic inequality rank on your scale of big problems? What explains the black vs white wealth divide if not a long term historical bias in favor of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants?
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Fact Sheet: The Racial Wealth Gap in America
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.
Any combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
Any US combat veteran since August of 1945 is a big part of the explanation for domestic mass shootings.
history-year-9-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-1-638.jpg

Did you really think you could kill millions of innocent civilians on the opposite side of the global plantation without some of those chickens coming home to roost?
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.


Do you cry yourself to sleep every night because Reagan beat the USSR?
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.
Any combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
Any US combat veteran since August of 1945 is a big part of the explanation for domestic mass shootings.
history-year-9-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-1-638.jpg

Did you really think you could kill millions of innocent civilians on the opposite side of the global plantation without some of those chickens coming home to roost?

I'll bet Japan doesn't attack the US again, eh comrade?
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.

600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......

and in 2018, 12 people used their guns illegally in mass shootings......in a country of over 320 million people....


Because you are irrational, this is why we don't trust you with power.
600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......
Do you have any evidence for those numbers?


Close to, if not over 600 million guns....

How Many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think - The Truth About Guns

But what if that “300 million” estimate is wrong?


According to these calculations, it is.

We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million. You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you’re a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we’re going to use publicly available data, and show our work.

What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation’s tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees?

Absent a better idea, we can say that the US inventory of firearms is almost certainly between 412 and 660 million, not the lower numbers recently trumpeted in the media.

Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.

Over 17.25 million concealed carry permit holders......well over because those counted are only the ones where a permit is necessary.....many states have Constitutional Carry, where no permit is required...

New Study: 17.25 million concealed handgun permits, biggest increases for women and minorities - Crime Prevention Research Center
Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.
How many individual gun owners are there in the US?
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.
Come try and take mine.
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Blame who you'd like, we're killing each other faster than a jihadists wet dream....~S~
I suppose it might be worth asking who's getting rich from the killing?
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Chris Hedges published this explanation almost two years ago:

The End of Empire

"Empires in decay embrace an almost willful suicide. Blinded by their hubris and unable to face the reality of their diminishing power, they retreat into a fantasy world where hard and unpleasant facts no longer intrude. They replace diplomacy, multilateralism and politics with unilateral threats and the blunt instrument of war."



You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
Among the many reasons why I would never cast a vote for Hillary or McCain was their foreign policy positions; although, I'm not sure war with Iran or Venezuela represents any improvement? Personally, I would turn over the Green New Deal to the Pentagon in exchange for all future revenues from solar, wind, and tidal sources funding US defense spending.
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Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Twice what it should be, especially with all the well-documented waste and fraud.
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The Pentagon is Infested with Fraud, Waste, Abuse and Corruption - Busy
 
Blame who you'd like, we're killing each other faster than a jihadists wet dream....~S~
I suppose it might be worth asking who's getting rich from the killing?
For-Money-Fish-1stOct2017-850x720.jpg

Chris Hedges published this explanation almost two years ago:

The End of Empire

"Empires in decay embrace an almost willful suicide. Blinded by their hubris and unable to face the reality of their diminishing power, they retreat into a fantasy world where hard and unpleasant facts no longer intrude. They replace diplomacy, multilateralism and politics with unilateral threats and the blunt instrument of war."



You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
Among the many reasons why I would never cast a vote for Hillary or McCain was their foreign policy positions; although, I'm not sure war with Iran or Venezuela represents any improvement? Personally, I would turn over the Green New Deal to the Pentagon in exchange for all future revenues from solar, wind, and tidal sources funding US defense spending.
What-Would-You-Do-If-You-Were-in-Charge-of-the-U.S.-Federal-Budget-Spending-in-the-Trump-Budget-400x269.png


Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Twice what it should be, especially with all the well-documented waste and fraud.
2bP4pJr4wVimqCWjYimXJe2cnCgnDPavQkcXrTwxCsG

The Pentagon is Infested with Fraud, Waste, Abuse and Corruption - Busy


All government, at all levels is filled with fraud, waste, abuse and corruption....but unlike you left wing asshats.....conservatives want to limit and constrain it's power....not give it more when it already can't handle the power it already has...
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.

600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......

and in 2018, 12 people used their guns illegally in mass shootings......in a country of over 320 million people....


Because you are irrational, this is why we don't trust you with power.
600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......
Do you have any evidence for those numbers?


Close to, if not over 600 million guns....

How Many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think - The Truth About Guns

But what if that “300 million” estimate is wrong?


According to these calculations, it is.

We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million. You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you’re a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we’re going to use publicly available data, and show our work.

What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation’s tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees?

Absent a better idea, we can say that the US inventory of firearms is almost certainly between 412 and 660 million, not the lower numbers recently trumpeted in the media.

Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.

Over 17.25 million concealed carry permit holders......well over because those counted are only the ones where a permit is necessary.....many states have Constitutional Carry, where no permit is required...

New Study: 17.25 million concealed handgun permits, biggest increases for women and minorities - Crime Prevention Research Center
Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.
How many individual gun owners are there in the US?


Pew says about 30% of our 320 million people...but this would be low because politically aware gun owners and those who are shy about owning a gun don't report their guns to anonymous pollsters...

7 facts about guns in the U.S.

Then this...

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.

600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......

and in 2018, 12 people used their guns illegally in mass shootings......in a country of over 320 million people....


Because you are irrational, this is why we don't trust you with power.
600 million guns in private hands, 17.25 million people have permits to carry guns, so the number is actually much higher than that......
Do you have any evidence for those numbers?


Close to, if not over 600 million guns....

How Many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think - The Truth About Guns

But what if that “300 million” estimate is wrong?


According to these calculations, it is.

We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million. You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you’re a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we’re going to use publicly available data, and show our work.

What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation’s tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees?

Absent a better idea, we can say that the US inventory of firearms is almost certainly between 412 and 660 million, not the lower numbers recently trumpeted in the media.

Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.

Over 17.25 million concealed carry permit holders......well over because those counted are only the ones where a permit is necessary.....many states have Constitutional Carry, where no permit is required...

New Study: 17.25 million concealed handgun permits, biggest increases for women and minorities - Crime Prevention Research Center
Weapons Man goes into great detail to explain the logic behind the calculation and after reviewing his work (particularly the numbers from the FFL on NICS checks), I’m convinced we own upwards of 600 million guns in America – which is more than double than what is being reported by the media.
How many individual gun owners are there in the US?
A shit load.....
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.
Any combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
combat veteran will tell you that you are full of excrement.
Any US combat veteran since August of 1945 is a big part of the explanation for domestic mass shootings.
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Did you really think you could kill millions of innocent civilians on the opposite side of the global plantation without some of those chickens coming home to roost?
Care to consider how many lives we're save by dropping those bombs?

Imagine.....the slaughter that took place on Okinawa being repeated on the Japanese mainland.
 
That is some weak ass shit. I'm against the interventionism that we have embraced, but to try to gin up a connection between that and a whack a doodle mass shooter, is

like I said, weak ass shit.
That is some weak ass shit. I'm against the interventionism that we have embraced, but to try to gin up a connection between that and a whack a doodle mass shooter, is

like I said, weak ass shit.
Or maybe you're not smart enough to connect the dots?

White Supremacism in the U.S. Military, Explained

"The United States military is one of the most ethnically diverse and integrated institutions in the nation, and has long promoted racial equality.

"Yet in a string of cases in recent years, Americans bent on racist extremism have been current or former members of the armed forces.

"The arrest of a Coast Guard lieutenant whom federal prosecutors accused last week of stockpiling weapons and planning to start a race war raised the question of whether the military, for all its efforts to fight discrimination, has a continuing problem with white supremacists in the ranks."


Millions of men serving, and you present a "string" of cases as evidence of some massive problem that supposedly means something about America as a whole?


To make the case you are trying to make,

you would need to


1. Demonstrate a real problem with white supremacy in the US military. At least, thousands of cases of white refusing to take orders from or work with blacks, AT LEAST. Better would be a culture of interracial white on black violence with the white attackers consistently getting a pass. YOu cannot do this, because it is not even close to true.


2. THEN you would have to show that systemic white supremacy there, was sticking with massive numbers of former military, and they were doing something. Such as reinvigorating the KKK so that instead of being an organization with 5k members and completely toothless, it was suddenly in the hundreds of thousands, and regularly committing violence,perhaps with white cops refusing to stop them.



YOu cannot do that, because NONE of the elements you would need to make your case, actually exist in the real world.



Put away the crack, before the crack puts you away.
Millions of men serving, and you present a "string" of cases as evidence of some massive problem that supposedly means something about America as a whole?
Millions of dead civilians from Korea, to Laos, to Cambodia to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq and how many had white skins? Only racists celebrate those responsible for those murders. Maybe that explains your slave-like support for white supremacy?


See that bit, where I make a serious response to your post, and instead of making a counter point, of some kind,


you jump to another issue completely, with only the slightest hint of connection, but not actually explicitly stating what the connection you are claiming IS?


That is bullshit deflection, not a real supporting argument.


YOu are just arguing in circles, to avoid, defending your position.


Because you can't. Or at least you have not yet.


You were making the case that a "string" of vets going bad, is somehow connected to our military culture.


Well, you were claiming it. NOw, try to support that idea, please. Don't just throw emotional sounding shit against a wall, and hope something will stick.
See that bit, where I make a serious response to your post, and instead of making a counter point, of some kind,


you jump to another issue completely, with only the slightest hint of connection, but not actually explicitly stating what the connection you are claiming IS?
I see your point.
I did conflate internal problems in the US military with white nationalism with the international actions of the US military since the end of WWII.

That doesn't alter the long term historical connections between far right nationalism and members of the US military.

Opinion | Enemies foreign and domestic: Inside the U.S. military's white supremacy problem

"So how does this connect with the military? For one thing, there is a strong historical connection between the rise of far-right nationalism and the American military community.

"The Ku Klux Klan, founded in 1866 by a group of Confederate war veterans, offers perhaps the best example of the symbiosis that can and has existed between extremists and members of the military.

"The strength of far-right groups waned in the aftermath of World War II, but it did not disappear.

"Klan members paraded on an American base in Vietnam following the 1968 murder of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Marines held Klan meetings in 1976 at Camp Pendleton.

"Official attitudes started to change in the mid-1980’s, notes New York Times reporter Dave Phillips, after pictures emerged of uniformed soldiers and a sign: 'KKK rally, no Jews allowed.

"Still, in 1995, members of the elite 82nd Airborne Division formed a neo-Nazi group at the urging of Robert Hunt, a National Alliance recruiter. In December of that year, two members of the group murdered a black couple.

"The killers received life imprisonment and 19 soldiers were dishonorably discharged.

"This, finally, sparked congressional hearings on extremism in the military."



The American military has traditionally been a major part of American society, as it should be in a healthy society.

IN the military men learn to learn small and larger groups of men, in organized tasks.


I'm sure if you look, you can find men with military backgrounds in any and all aspects of American culture, good and bad.
 
The SocialistWorker.org....... Now there's an unbiased group...... :rolleyes:
The SocialistWorker.org....... Now there's an unbiased group
Point out any errors:

"The case of Nikolas Cruz also raises another issue: the U.S. military's heavy recruitment presence in schools across the country, particularly through the JROTC program that targets low-income children as early as 6th grade.

"This includes teaching students how to shoot guns in preparation for future deployment to wars yet to be launched. In fact,

"Cruz was not only a member of ROTC, but he was part of his school rifle team, which received a $10,000 grant from the National Rifle Association before Cruz was expelled."


What is wrong with JROTC targeting low income children? Do you want to be like the old UK with rich people getting all the officer slots?


ANd if so, why?
What is wrong with JROTC targeting low income children? Do you want to be like the old UK with rich people getting all the officer slots?
Are you capable of arguing without resorting to logical fallacies?
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Ok, fine it was a false choice.


You still didn't answer the question, what was wrong with it.


Soooooo,?
Ok, fine it was a false choice.


You still didn't answer the question, what was wrong with it.


Soooooo,?
I believe the US Empire is coming to an end, and empires of the past who have experienced that fate often resort to replacing rational responses to their problems with "magical thinking" which includes placing unrealistic expectations on their military forces.

Recruiting children in middle school for future military service only compounds the problem, especially if some of those recruits are susceptible to arguments from far-right (white) nationalists.



1. Name me a nation, that has not relied heavily on poor, young males, for the bulk of their military forces, growing, stable, dying, whatever.

2. What thought have you given to what "magical thinking" might be coming from your side of the political divide?




"Empires in decay embrace an almost willful suicide. Blinded by their hubris and unable to face the reality of their diminishing power, they retreat into a fantasy world where hard and unpleasant facts no longer intrude.

"They replace diplomacy, multilateralism and politics with unilateral threats and the blunt instrument of war...."


I agree we see to be really stuck on interventionism. But it is worth noting the our allies and trading partners are being complete shits. Our enemies are really being unreasonable also.



"The brutality abroad is matched by a growing brutality at home.


Brutal compared to what? THe carpet bombing of Germany during WWII? Drone strikes are nothing compared to shit like THAT.



"Militarized police gun down mostly unarmed, poor people of color and fill a system of penitentiaries and jails that hold a staggering 25 percent of the world’s prisoners although Americans represent only 5 percent of global population.


We have wildly divergence cultures, trying to live under the same legal system. This isn't about skin color.




"Many of our cities are in ruins.

Are you prepared to address the issues of illegitimacy that undermines the family and society, and reasons that Dem party machines seem fine with their voters being poor and desperate for government help?


"Our public transportation system is a shambles.

Not sure how we can pay for ANYTHING, with the unsustainable growth of entitlements.


"Our educational system is in steep decline and being privatized.


Educational outcome is primarily driven by parental support. THis has been a known fact for several generations. We are not going to fix this with education policy.

I asked you about magical thinking that might be coming from your side. This issue is one you need to look at, and ask yourself about.




"Opioid addiction, suicide, mass shootings, depression and morbid obesity plague a population that has fallen into profound despair."


So, what are you prepared to do to turn it around? Let me guess, it is all stuff that you want, and will put the cost and the sacrifices on people that you don't like?

Jeez, that's great. Wonderful. Even "magical"?

(assuming there at the end. Correct me if I am wrong)
 
Blame who you'd like, we're killing each other faster than a jihadists wet dream....~S~
I suppose it might be worth asking who's getting rich from the killing?
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Chris Hedges published this explanation almost two years ago:

The End of Empire

"Empires in decay embrace an almost willful suicide. Blinded by their hubris and unable to face the reality of their diminishing power, they retreat into a fantasy world where hard and unpleasant facts no longer intrude. They replace diplomacy, multilateralism and politics with unilateral threats and the blunt instrument of war."



You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
Among the many reasons why I would never cast a vote for Hillary or McCain was their foreign policy positions; although, I'm not sure war with Iran or Venezuela represents any improvement? Personally, I would turn over the Green New Deal to the Pentagon in exchange for all future revenues from solar, wind, and tidal sources funding US defense spending.
What-Would-You-Do-If-You-Were-in-Charge-of-the-U.S.-Federal-Budget-Spending-in-the-Trump-Budget-400x269.png


Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Twice what it should be, especially with all the well-documented waste and fraud.
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The Pentagon is Infested with Fraud, Waste, Abuse and Corruption - Busy


Fraud and waste are not reasons to cut military spending. Fraud and waste are always part of government programs.


If you want to cut military spending, you need to make the case that we are not in danger.


That you did not try that, is pretty telling.


YOu really want to cut military spending, even though you know we are in danger?
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
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"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.

So much stupidity regarding this...
So much stupidity regarding this...
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You have to have logic correctness first to claim a fact.
 
I suppose it might be worth asking who's getting rich from the killing?
For-Money-Fish-1stOct2017-850x720.jpg

Chris Hedges published this explanation almost two years ago:

The End of Empire

"Empires in decay embrace an almost willful suicide. Blinded by their hubris and unable to face the reality of their diminishing power, they retreat into a fantasy world where hard and unpleasant facts no longer intrude. They replace diplomacy, multilateralism and politics with unilateral threats and the blunt instrument of war."



You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
You mean like Hillary and McCain demanding war with Russia?

I agree that is a problem. I certainly want to scale BACK our commitments.


Do you?
Among the many reasons why I would never cast a vote for Hillary or McCain was their foreign policy positions; although, I'm not sure war with Iran or Venezuela represents any improvement? Personally, I would turn over the Green New Deal to the Pentagon in exchange for all future revenues from solar, wind, and tidal sources funding US defense spending.
What-Would-You-Do-If-You-Were-in-Charge-of-the-U.S.-Federal-Budget-Spending-in-the-Trump-Budget-400x269.png


Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Nice graph. It is clear that military spending is a small and decreasing portion of the US budget and society.

NOt even 14%. Pathetic.
Twice what it should be, especially with all the well-documented waste and fraud.
2bP4pJr4wVimqCWjYimXJe2cnCgnDPavQkcXrTwxCsG

The Pentagon is Infested with Fraud, Waste, Abuse and Corruption - Busy


Fraud and waste are not reasons to cut military spending. Fraud and waste are always part of government programs.


If you want to cut military spending, you need to make the case that we are not in danger.


That you did not try that, is pretty telling.


YOu really want to cut military spending, even though you know we are in danger?
Fraud and waste are not reasons to cut military spending. Fraud and waste are always part of government programs.


If you want to cut military spending, you need to make the case that we are not in danger.


That you did not try that, is pretty telling.


YOu really want to cut military spending, even though you know we are in danger?
We're in far more danger from a deodorized, truncated conversation about the reality of the US presence on this planet.

Are you aware an increasing percentage of the world regards the USA as the foremost threat to global survival?

As MLK said those bombs dropped in foreign lands detonate in their homeland as well.

When sixty cents of every tax dollar go to propping up the US Empire, issues like universal healthcare, catastrophic climate change, and a living wage are suffocated by hysterical drama queens who a terrified by anyone without a white skin.

Poll: Top Threats Facing the World in 2019, US Moving Up The List - Citizen Truth
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.
The SocialistWorker.org....... Now there's an unbiased group...... :rolleyes:
The SocialistWorker.org....... Now there's an unbiased group
Point out any errors:

"The case of Nikolas Cruz also raises another issue: the U.S. military's heavy recruitment presence in schools across the country, particularly through the JROTC program that targets low-income children as early as 6th grade.

"This includes teaching students how to shoot guns in preparation for future deployment to wars yet to be launched. In fact,

"Cruz was not only a member of ROTC, but he was part of his school rifle team, which received a $10,000 grant from the National Rifle Association before Cruz was expelled."
All personal interpretations and associative bias sampling to arrive at a case for of cause and effect. Oops.

sampling bias academic papaers - Google Search
All personal interpretations and associative bias sampling to arrive at a case for of cause and effect. Oops.
Rampant US militarism is an objective fact to anyone who isn't afraid to look:

https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/humanrights/crc_report_20080513.pdf (P. 15)

"The JROTC oversees the Middle School Cadet Corps (MSCC), in which children ages 11 to 14 can participate.62

"The military has invited children as young as 11 to join MSCC, or pre-JROTC, programs at their elementary and middle schools.63

"Florida, Texas, and Chicago, Illinois offer military-run after-school programs to sixth-, seventh-, and eighth-graders.64 In Chicago alone, about 26 MSCC programs are offered.65

"These programs involve drills with wooden rifles and military chants.

"Students learn first-aid, civics, character development, and military history.

"They take field trips to local military bases and students wear their uniforms to school for inspections once a week.66"


Now, all you have to do, to make your case, is show any connection with that, and an increased chance of "gun violence" down the road.


This is where you change the subject. Perhaps, it is time to call someone "racist"?
Now, all you have to do, to make your case, is show any connection with that, and an increased chance of "gun violence" down the road.
I don't have any way of knowing how much "gun violence" lies down the road, but it's current levels are evident to anyone not wearing partisan blinders:

There have been more mass shootings than days this year

"The amount of mass shootings across the U.S. so far in 2019 has outpaced the number of days this year, according to a gun violence research group. This puts 2019 on pace to be the first year since 2016 with an average of more than one mass shooting a day."

As long as the US military is praised for killing unarmed civilians on the opposite side of the planet, the "gun violence" will not decrease in the homeland.
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"It is a capitalist crisis."
Any doubt that this is all a communist conspiracy?

:laughing0301:

.
Any doubt that this is all a communist conspiracy?
Maybe it's a false flag conspiracy?

White Supremacism in the U.S. Military, Explained


"Watchdog groups that monitor domestic extremist activity were quick to cite the allegations against the Coast Guard officer, Lt. Christopher Hasson, as a fresh cause for concern, one of a number in recent years involving people with military backgrounds.

"They have warned that the armed forces can be a training and recruiting ground for hate groups.

[Sign up for the weekly At War newsletter to receive stories about duty, conflict and consequence.]

"'If you look at the list of domestic terrorism attacks, you will find a lot of veterans,' said Heidi Beirich, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.


Let's see we've got qualifiers such as "can be".

We've got looking at it backwards. Sure you look at a list, subjectively sorted to be "domestic terrorism" and then you find " a lot of veterans". Geez, a "lot"? THat really nails it down.


Oh, and the Southern Poverty Law center, those fucking asshole motherfuckers? lol!!!!!
Oh, and the Southern Poverty Law center, those fucking asshole motherfuckers? lol!!!!!
It sounds like you're on the same side as the racist, cracker ....."


Oh, the wonderful lack of self awareness of liberals.


Smearing me as a "racist" and literally the VERY NEXT WORD, is a racist slur?


Un-fucking-believable.
Oh, the wonderful lack of self awareness of liberals.


Smearing me as a "racist" and literally the VERY NEXT WORD, is a racist slur?


Un-fucking-believable.
You called the Southern Poverty Law Center "those fucking asshole motherfuckers"

I inquired if you side with "racist, cracker asshole motherfuckers."

Do you, or would that require a level of self-awareness beyond your current capabilities?
 
Maybe it's a false flag conspiracy?

White Supremacism in the U.S. Military, Explained


"Watchdog groups that monitor domestic extremist activity were quick to cite the allegations against the Coast Guard officer, Lt. Christopher Hasson, as a fresh cause for concern, one of a number in recent years involving people with military backgrounds.

"They have warned that the armed forces can be a training and recruiting ground for hate groups.

[Sign up for the weekly At War newsletter to receive stories about duty, conflict and consequence.]

"'If you look at the list of domestic terrorism attacks, you will find a lot of veterans,' said Heidi Beirich, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.


Let's see we've got qualifiers such as "can be".

We've got looking at it backwards. Sure you look at a list, subjectively sorted to be "domestic terrorism" and then you find " a lot of veterans". Geez, a "lot"? THat really nails it down.


Oh, and the Southern Poverty Law center, those fucking asshole motherfuckers? lol!!!!!
Oh, and the Southern Poverty Law center, those fucking asshole motherfuckers? lol!!!!!
It sounds like you're on the same side as the racist, cracker asshole motherfuckers?

White Supremacism in the U.S. Military, Explained

"President Truman ordered all branches of the military to integrate in 1948, but for decades afterward, many in uniform still held extreme racist views, and commanders often did little to dissuade them.

"Klan members paraded in makeshift white robes and burned crosses on an American base in Vietnam to mark the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968. Marines wore KKK patches and held Klan meetings in 1976 at Camp Pendleton in California.

"After black Marines tried to forcibly break up a Klan meeting, they were charged with assault, while 17 Klan members were transferred to other bases to 'defuse the situation,' as a commander said at the time, instead of being disciplined."

Clearly you've never served. You have no idea what race relations in the military are. You don't see color in combat kid, you see the guy beside you who has your life in his hands.
Clearly you've never served. You have no idea what race relations in the military are. You don't see color in combat kid, you see the guy beside you who has your life in his hands.
What percentage of those who've served have ever seen combat, Gramps?

White supremacy is baked into this star-spangled cake:


White Supremacism in the U.S. Military, Explained

"In 1986, after soldiers and Marines were photographed in uniform at a rally with a flag that read 'KKK rally, no Jews allowed,' the Pentagon issued new regulations barring service members from belonging to extremist organizations.

"The troops in the photo had joined a paramilitary group begun by a retired Army Special Forces master sergeant that government prosecutors said was training to overthrow the government. The master sergeant was later convicted of murder."

You can keep cutting and pasting from bullshit sites all day but that doesn't change the fact you've never served and you don't know what you're talking about. Your citation is behind a pay wall kid.

So if 10 guys pose in a picture that means the majority of the other servicemen agree with them?
Is that what you want to go with?
You can keep cutting and pasting from bullshit sites all day but that doesn't change the fact you've never served and you don't know what you're talking about. Your citation is behind a pay wall kid.
Here's another, Gramps"

Military Investigating After Report Links Troops to White Nationalist Group

"28 Mar 2019
Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk

"After the Huffington Post publicly identified five military service members and two Reserve Officers' Training Corps cadets as part of a well-known white nationalist organization earlier this month, military officials say they're investigating the allegations, and broadening the probe to see whether other troops might be involved.

"In a March 17 story, the publication named an Air Force airman, two Army ROTC cadets, two Marine reservists, an Army reservist and a member of the Texas National Guard as members of Identity Evropa, which has been labeled a white nationalist organization by the Anti-Defamation League."
 
From February 2018:

Militarism at the heart of a violent culture

"AS THE president continued smearing millions of immigrants as violent gang members to justify racist deportations and a border wall, it happened again. A young white man entered a school, not far from where I graduated, and unloaded a legally purchased weapon of war, killing 17 innocent people in three minutes...."
180215-weill-white-supremacist-tease_vor96c

"WE NOW need to expand the demand beyond gun control, and connect the issue of mass murder at home to state-sanctioned mass murder abroad.

"At age 19, shooter Nikolas Cruz has not lived a year of his life when the U.S. was not actively bombing or occupying other countries, and exporting war through lucrative weapons contracts.

"A teen who can't yet legally buy beer or rent a car was able to purchase a weapon made for tactical combat--but then again, the same legislators who allow the AR-15 to be sold more easily than a Bud Light have supported every U.S. war and every bloated military budget presented to them.

"The U.S.-manufactured ammunition that kills abroad kills just the same in Parkland, Florida.

"The crisis we have before us is not about rap music or video games, as has been charged in previous mass shootings.

"It is a capitalist crisis."

A crisis groomed since 1945 during which the Exceptional US has exterminated millions of innocent human beings from Korea to Kandahar.

Only someone as dense as Trump would be surprised when these chickens come home to roost.


Mental illness is at the root of these random and marginalized young men.
Mental illness is at the root of these random and marginalized young men
Exactly.
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Mental Health Professionals call for Trump to be removed from office


Link to Trump engaging in mass shootings? I missed those.
Link to Trump engaging in mass shootings? I missed those.
Trump's bone spurs make it impossible for him to pull a trigger, remember?
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Here's who in DC benefits from millions in NRA cash
 

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