MILITARIZE Baby! MILITARIZE!

[Marion Morrison]

Really... what is this overlap you speak of?

When police enter an area where it is likely they might take fire, it only makes sense to provide cover from that fire. Cover such as from a personnel carrier.

Then why don't they just call in the military?

The Governor needs to call in the National Guard in that case.

 

[candycorn]

Then why don't they just call in the military?

You may be genuinely unaware of the fact that is illegal for the military to police the civilian populace in America except under the strict conditions of martial law.

Are you suggesting America be placed under martial law?

You're suggesting that we just outfit the police like the military, install the same tactics, the same firepower, the same doctrine, call them a "police force" and pretend that there is a difference.

Anything to protect a police officer or a serviceman...I'm all for it. I simply do not like the fine distinction being some sort of difference that placates the public. Call it what it is; para-military troops patrolling our cities.

Big f'ing deal...

I never quite understood why we didn't put the military on the border--new recruits and let them get their feet wet doing something for about 4-6 months. Having them in the cities is just a natural extension.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Here's a fun fact: The ghetto bird rarely flies over South St. Pete-because they take fire.

 

[bgrouse]

Really... what is this overlap you speak of?

When police enter an area where it is likely they might take fire, it only makes sense to provide cover from that fire. Cover such as from a personnel carrier.

Then why don't they just call in the military?

Because this is police work. And because the military tends to destroy shit pretty severely. You don't want NYC to look like Dresden in 1945 just because they called them in for an armed shooter, do you?

 

[bgrouse]

Most of our cops could probably be safe walking around unarmed if we had an all-white population.

As a police officer, I can tell you unequivocally that's a false statement.

Most parts of the USA are pretty safe. The disparity in violent crime between the USA and countries liberals like to bring up, like the UK, is due to a few highly dangerous and usually black areas.

 

[fncceo]

I never quite understood why we didn't put the military on the border--new recruits and let them get their feet wet doing something for about 4-6 months. Having them in the cities is just a natural extension.

The mission of a soldier is to kill / incapacitate an enemy, not restrict movement. It wouldn't make sense to place the military on the border of a country with which we aren't at war.

The truth is, the US border has always been a sieve vs a dam. We want a certain amount of illegal immigration to fulfill economic needs for cheap labor. That became a problem when someone figured out you could use illegal immigrants as voters and not just labor.

 

[candycorn]

I never quite understood why we didn't put the military on the border--new recruits and let them get their feet wet doing something for about 4-6 months. Having them in the cities is just a natural extension.

The mission of a soldier is to kill / incapacitate an enemy, not restrict movement. It wouldn't make sense to place the military on the border of a country with which we aren't at war.

The truth is, the US border has always been a sieve vs a dam. We want a certain amount of illegal immigration to fulfill economic needs for cheap labor. That became a problem when someone figured out you could use illegal immigrants as voters and not just labor.

The mission of a soldier is to do whatever her/his commanders tell them to do. As for the nonsense about illegals voting, it's just that; utter nonsense brought up by an insecure victor of the last GE.

 

[irosie91]

It seems the newest and most popular banal bogey today is ... military-style. Well, there are reasons why military equipment is often the best equipment for a particular job ...

1. It's been designed to a higher quality standard
2. It's been tested in the field
3. Because it's often surplus military equipment, it's much cheaper than the same equipment made for civilians.

There is nothing remotely offensive about a personnel carrier ... they carry personnel. Those personnel could be doctors, nurses, stock brokers, school children, or ... heaven help us ... police officers.

So... are the police supposed to be indistinguishable from the military?

you determine who is who by the shape of their cars?

 

[bgrouse]

It seems the newest and most popular banal bogey today is ... military-style. Well, there are reasons why military equipment is often the best equipment for a particular job ...

1. It's been designed to a higher quality standard
2. It's been tested in the field
3. Because it's often surplus military equipment, it's much cheaper than the same equipment made for civilians.

There is nothing remotely offensive about a personnel carrier ... they carry personnel. Those personnel could be doctors, nurses, stock brokers, school children, or ... heaven help us ... police officers.

So... are the police supposed to be indistinguishable from the military?

Police are distinguishable from the military, though sometimes not on the outside. Cops tend to use expanding ammo to reduce casualties, etc... The requirements in the military are different. Penetration is more important and limiting civilian casualties is an afterthought at best.

Didn't the US DOD develop GPS? Are you saying there's something wrong with using that because it's "military?"

 

[fncceo]

you determine who is who by the shape of their cars?

More the color ...

 

[irosie91]

you determine who is who by the shape of their cars?

More the color ...

too BUBBLY-GUM----I would prefer a nice
salmon or magenta

 

[bgrouse]

you determine who is who by the shape of their cars?

More the color ...

LGBT police?

 

[fncceo]

you determine who is who by the shape of their cars?

More the color ...

LGBT police?

You may or may not be surprised by the number of police that identify in that community.

 

[protectionist]

Nope... not a good answer.

HA HA. Yeah, the name of Michael Savage's book "Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder" gets confirmed here in USMB, every day. LOL

So you don't mind getting shot and killed, then. Well, the Army could put you on the trainfire line, and use you as a target for the recruits to practice their sharpshooting. You have no objection right ? Pheeeew! Is there a doctor in the house ?

 

[protectionist]

Here's a fun fact: The ghetto bird rarely flies over South St. Pete-because they take fire.

I lived in Pinellas for 16 years, South St. Pete is a blight. Not a place you'd want foreign dignitaries to visit.

I now live in Tampa. I watch the local Tampa Bay news every day. You hear about shootings. (90% of the time it's South St. Pete. )

 

[protectionist]

The mission of a soldier is to do whatever her/his commanders tell them to do. As for the nonsense about illegals voting, it's just that; utter nonsense brought up by an insecure victor of the last GE.

Pretending that millions of illegal aliens don't vote, and haven't been for 70 years (except after Operation Wetback), won't help to keep them voting. We're getting rid of them at unprecedented rates now that catch & release is over, and deportations are soaring.

The govt still needs to stop mail voting, though. The deported ones could still vote by mail from Mexico​

 

[candycorn]

The mission of a soldier is to do whatever her/his commanders tell them to do. As for the nonsense about illegals voting, it's just that; utter nonsense brought up by an insecure victor of the last GE.

Pretending that millions of illegal aliens don't vote, and haven't been for 70 years (except after Operation Wetback), won't help to keep them voting. We're getting rid of them at unprecedented rates now that catch & release is over, and deportations are soaring.

The govt still needs to stop mail voting, though. The deported ones could still vote by mail from Mexico​

Pretending they do is the stuff of morons like yourself.

 

[IM2]

There has been some criticism of the use of military equipment and vehicles the , by police departments. Just one example is the

Lenco Bearcat, ​

multi-purpose, wheeled, armored personnel carrier. It is in use by numerous military forces and law enforcement agencies around the world. But some libertarians see the Bearcat as overdoing it, in the law enforcement area.

One example is the Cato Institute, a libertarian think thank, which considers the Bearcat to be synonomous with SWAT team raids against nonviolent drug offenders, which sometimes mistakenly target the wrong residence. This then seems to be blown up to a framing of the Bearcat (and general militarization of police tactics) to be akin to fascist, big brotherism.

Generally, BearCats are typically referred to by law enforcement agencies as being "armored rescue vehicles" with their primary use being to transport tactical officers to and from hostile situations, and to assist with the recovery and protection of civilians in harm's way during terrorist threats, hostage incidents, or encounters with large gatherings of aggressors. The Bearcat is designed to provide protection from a variety of small arms, explosives, and IED threats. It also is fitted with devices making it capable of engaging in a variety of actions to rescue people in distress (ex. moveable elevated platform systems called the Liberator and ARC to enable cops to access a variety of elevated structures such as multi-story buildings, ships at docks, or aircraft during hostage or terrorist situations).

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So, what has actually occurred with this militarization of police ? The answer is >> some darn good things. Lenco BearCats have been credited with saving the lives of officers in armed confrontations on numerous occasions. In 2010 in Athens, Texas, an armed offender fired more than 35 rounds from a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle (their bullets known for being able to penetrate metal), at tactical police. Not one round penetrated the Bearcat.

In November 2015, a BearCat was used by police to rescue civilians during the Colorado Springs planned Parenthood shooting. The Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office Bearcat was shot between four and seven times with a rifle, during an incident on December 29, 2015. Sheriff Whetsel was quoted as saying the Bearcat saved the Deputies' lives. On June 12, 2016, a Bearcat was used to breach the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, FL, after a the terrorist Omar Mateen shot and killed 49 clubgoers, and injured 53 others.

All in all, I'd say, the characterization of the use of military type vehicles like the Bearcat, and maybe even tanks, is the overkill, and these things are a good idea to quell riots, protect police, manage hostage situations, and rescue citizens in distress.

Very unamerican

 

[protectionist]

Didn't the US DOD develop GPS? Are you saying there's something wrong with using that because it's "military?"

Liberals don't speak from logic. They speak from hatred for the police, hatred for the USA military, hatred for the USA.

 

[IM2]

The mission of a soldier is to do whatever her/his commanders tell them to do. As for the nonsense about illegals voting, it's just that; utter nonsense brought up by an insecure victor of the last GE.

Pretending that millions of illegal aliens don't vote, and haven't been for 70 years (except after Operation Wetback), won't help to keep them voting. We're getting rid of them at unprecedented rates now that catch & release is over, and deportations are soaring.

The govt still needs to stop mail voting, though. The deported ones could still vote by mail from Mexico​

They don't.