MILITIAS - The CONSTITUTIONAL means of dealing with government tyranny and over reach

[progressive hunter]

its not about trump,,, when will you understand that??

Of course it is. If Trump had won, there’d be none of this violent talk.

of course there would be,, just look at the last 4 yrs,,,

 

[colfax_m]

and most people didnt vote for biden,, whats your point??

Most people who voted did vote for Biden. And it was the highest turnout in decades.

 

[progressive hunter]

and most people didnt vote for biden,, whats your point??

Most people who voted did vote for Biden. And it was the highest turnout in decades.

dont change the narrative,,, most people didnt vote for biden,,, not voting just means they knew the system was broken and discounted their existence,,

 

[colfax_m]

and most people didnt vote for biden,, whats your point??

Most people who voted did vote for Biden. And it was the highest turnout in decades.

dont change the narrative,,, most people didnt vote for biden,,, not voting just means they knew the system was broken and discounted their existence,,

Don’t make up a motivation for not voting.

 

[progressive hunter]

and most people didnt vote for biden,, whats your point??

Most people who voted did vote for Biden. And it was the highest turnout in decades.

dont change the narrative,,, most people didnt vote for biden,,, not voting just means they knew the system was broken and discounted their existence,,

Don’t make up a motivation for not voting.

its not a motivation its a reality,, I didnt vote my first 10 yrs for the same reason,,

have you ever asked a person that doesnt vote why they dont?? I have and 100% of the time thats their answer,,

 

[colfax_m]

its not a motivation its a reality,, I didnt vote my first 10 yrs for the same reason,,

It’s an assumption that you want me to treat as fact.

Doesn’t work that way.

 

[White 6]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The aspect of citizen raised Militias that concerns me most—as a lifelong American Citizen, a career Army veteran and a former federal law enforcement officer—is INTENT. IF citizen militias were raised and formed and well organized, say from the population of every county across our once great nation, then they would have to answer to a centralized command which was thoroughly grounded in the Constitution as devised by our Founding Fathers, Washington's political philosophies in particular. Such a movement would have to view itself only as a restoration movement; a movement to restore or reset the function of our federal government to rule by the original Constitution, with particular focus on restoring, enshrining and forever protecting our 1st and 2nd Amendments.

What I'm getting at is citizen militias could become as dangerous and oppressive as the security forces of our current government unless their intent was bound to Constitutional Law and their power directly tied to We The People via some kind of beefed up system of checks and balances. Otherwise, citizen militias could unseat the powers that oppress us only to in turn become new forces of tyranny. Thus all militias would have to be united under a single leadership backed by hand selected constitutional scholars. Without this national command structure and unified purpose citizen militias could and likely would become rogue forces driven by many different end goals, few of which a majority of Americans could get behind or approve of.

What the primary strategy of America's internal enemy has been for some years is the domination and transformation of American culture, values, ideology and sociology at the LOCAL level. They have attacked our local schools through school boards, educational systems through twisted curriculum; attacked our local judiciary and prosecutor's offices by installing UN and Soros backed candidates and attempted to change America for the worse by many other means at the town, city and county levels. This is where citizen militias could be the answer to taking America back—one local municipality at a time. But any such movement would have to proceed very, very carefully, both in order to win the support of local populations and to avoid too much direct conflict with security forces of our corrupt current government. Overall it could turn into a real shit-show in a hurry and all media outlets would equate coordinated citizen militias with ISIS or some other terrorist group in very short order.

We already have a citizens militia operating within each state, under the control of every Governor of each state. The Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, and their officers are pledged to support the Constitution of the United States. Problem solved.

 

[progressive hunter]

its not a motivation its a reality,, I didnt vote my first 10 yrs for the same reason,,

It’s an assumption that you want me to treat as fact.

Doesn’t work that way.

I noticed you edited out that part where I asked if youve ever asked anyone,,,

why would that be you dodged that??

 

[colfax_m]

its not a motivation its a reality,, I didnt vote my first 10 yrs for the same reason,,

It’s an assumption that you want me to treat as fact.

Doesn’t work that way.

I noticed you edited out that part where I asked if youve ever asked anyone,,,

why would that be you dodged that??

Because it’s irrelevant. The answer would be anecdotal.

 

[progressive hunter]

its not a motivation its a reality,, I didnt vote my first 10 yrs for the same reason,,

It’s an assumption that you want me to treat as fact.

Doesn’t work that way.

I noticed you edited out that part where I asked if youve ever asked anyone,,,

why would that be you dodged that??

Because it’s irrelevant. The answer would be anecdotal.

its only irrelevant because it shows the flaws in your argument,,

fact is most people didnt vote for biden or trump,,,

 

[Lesh]

Let's remembver that the plot that the FBI stopped, to attack the Michigan State House and Kill the Governor

Was by...yea...the Michigan MILITIA

 

[Lysistrata]

Militias need to become much larger and better organized.

The Constitution clearly expresses this. Clearly the intent of Militias was to keep government in check as a last resort.

If you are not yet a member of a militia, and you love America and freedom, I think now is the time.

I love America and freedom. this is thy I voted for Biden. What " militia' gang should I joint?

 

[Never quit]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Militias will play a huge roll in the very near future......

 

[Lesh]

Militias will play a huge roll in the very near future..

How so?

 

[Concerned American]

The Patriot act was indeed a totalitarian move by the conservative right wing republican lead and controlled administration o f George W Bush.

Thank you for that "WHO THE FUCK CARES" piece of info. The point of the OP is government overreach BY ANYONE. Stupid fucking troll.

 

[Concerned American]

Militias need to become much larger and better organized.

The Constitution clearly expresses this. Clearly the intent of Militias was to keep government in check as a last resort.

If you are not yet a member of a militia, and you love America and freedom, I think now is the time.

I love America and freedom. this is thy I voted for Biden. What " militia' gang should I joint?

^^^^^^That's why the legal system in America is so screwed. You SAY you have a JD and you troll internet message boards typing psycho babble like that? You give morons a degree and this is what you get.

 

[colfax_m]

its only irrelevant because it shows the flaws in your argument,,

My only argument is that 50% doesn’t think the election was fraudulent.

 

[progressive hunter]

its only irrelevant because it shows the flaws in your argument,,

My only argument is that 50% doesn’t think the election was fraudulent.

so back to the word games,,,

that wasnt your argument and if it was its not true cause you didnt specify 50% of who,,,

 

[White 6]

The Patriot act was indeed a totalitarian move by the conservative right wing republican lead and controlled administration o f George W Bush.

Thank you for that "WHO THE FUCK CARES" piece of info. The point of the OP is government overreach BY ANYONE. Stupid fucking troll.

And that was not government overreach by someone? Maybe you should define for us all what is and is not government overreach or narrow down on your next thread to your real point.

 

[Borillar]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

You did not read the OP.

Posting before you do makes you a knee jerker

There are MANY examples of government over reach that have been going on for a long time.

Taz read it and so did I. Just admit that you probably think it's okay for violent militia uprisings such as we just saw in DC because idiots didn't like the result of a free and fair election.

this is about the CONSTITUTION.

MILITIAS ARE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

You do not seem to posses the aptitude for reasonable debate.

So is welfare and the post office, but I digress. I doubt the founders were thinking of a bunch of wingnut vigilantes when they put down the "well regulated militias" in the 2nd amendment. They didn't believe in a large standing army at the time. Today, we have a huge, well trained, well regulated military along with reserves and state National Guard forces.