Minimum wage hike bankrupts company.

[rightwinger]

I agree

Minimum wage is a starter pay. Pay for college, buy a car, buy basic necessities

It no longer does that and has not kept place with inflation. College students used to use minimum wage to pay for tuition, now they have to borrow to make up for the money they don’t earn

Disagree with this you just wrote. Will double down to say that minimum wage is and should always be just a starter wage for no more than 6 months to a year before moving onto the companies wage ladder above and beyond the entrance pay or training pay.

Companies attempting to work employee's to cheap will suffer the consequences in many ways. High turnover rates usually don't end well for any legitimate company.

College Students are at a disadvantage because they are only available after hours and summers. Hard to demand a top wage. They make up for low wages with student debt

In a strong economy like today, low wage employees can leave for a better position. In a bad economy with high unemployment, low skill workers have few options

Many college graduates may have degrees but they are low educated.

Conservative myth

not according to the evidence,,,

There is no evidence

 

[rightwinger]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/restauran...for-bankruptcy

Well, imagine that .

That's what will happen when sources demand that unskilled/uneducated employees get these kind of wages. These current politicians (4 freshman congresswomen) are demanding minimum wages be raised across the board & free health care along with other freebies for all.

If they needed the government to subsidize their employees then their business model sucked.

Wrong it the other way around, those companies subsidies the US welfare program...with out them billions more would have to be paid out.

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

 

[Wyatt earp]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/restauran...for-bankruptcy

Well, imagine that .

That's what will happen when sources demand that unskilled/uneducated employees get these kind of wages. These current politicians (4 freshman congresswomen) are demanding minimum wages be raised across the board & free health care along with other freebies for all.

If they needed the government to subsidize their employees then their business model sucked.

Wrong it the other way around, those companies subsidies the US welfare program...with out them billions more would have to be paid out.

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

 

[Slyhunter]

Or they will just starve.

anyone that starves in the USA is doing it because they refuse to do for themselves,,,food literally grows out of the ground in 90% of the country,,,

That may be one of the silliest things I've ever heard here.

Did you even think about that before you posted it?

You must be a city boy..


Ever plant a garden?

Hunt?

Fish?

Why would they starve when companies would have to raise wages with no government welfare programs?

Hell back in the old days companies would build town's to get workers.
.

So.... You think it's still the 1800s?

My father is a cattle rancher BTW.

No what I am saying is companies would have no choice but to raise wages if we eliminated most welfare.

.

That's not true. Desperate people would be willing to work for less reward, live like animals to make ends meet. But would not require business's to raise rates just like it wouldn't force them to give a fuck about the downtrodden.

 

[beagle9]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/restauran...for-bankruptcy

Well, imagine that .

That's what will happen when sources demand that unskilled/uneducated employees get these kind of wages. These current politicians (4 freshman congresswomen) are demanding minimum wages be raised across the board & free health care along with other freebies for all.

If they needed the government to subsidize their employees then their business model sucked.

Wrong it the other way around, those companies subsidies the US welfare program...with out them billions more would have to be paid out.

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

How about we eliminate welfare, then by your logic these companies would have no choice but to pay higher wages

.

How about we make sure that welfare isn't the same as being part of a union in which the government runs without our permission ? It's like hey no need to work, ahh heck no, just get on welfare and we'll show them mean ole companies that we ain't got to work if they want to sneeze in our general area wrongfully while we are there. (Sarcasm here).

 

[Wyatt earp]

anyone that starves in the USA is doing it because they refuse to do for themselves,,,food literally grows out of the ground in 90% of the country,,,

That may be one of the silliest things I've ever heard here.

Did you even think about that before you posted it?

You must be a city boy..


Ever plant a garden?

Hunt?

Fish?

Why would they starve when companies would have to raise wages with no government welfare programs?

Hell back in the old days companies would build town's to get workers.
.

So.... You think it's still the 1800s?

My father is a cattle rancher BTW.

No what I am saying is companies would have no choice but to raise wages if we eliminated most welfare.

.

That's not true. Desperate people would be willing to work for less reward, live like animals to make ends meet. But would not require business's to raise rates just like it wouldn't force them to give a fuck about the downtrodden.

You fantasy world does not match reality..


Just go to the job boards in $7.25 an hour states..even McDonald's in most places are starting at $10 an hour.

 

[hadit]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/restauran...for-bankruptcy

Well, imagine that .

That's what will happen when sources demand that unskilled/uneducated employees get these kind of wages. These current politicians (4 freshman congresswomen) are demanding minimum wages be raised across the board & free health care along with other freebies for all.

Just think if child labor was legal and we could pay them a dollar an hour... think how many jobs could be created and how fast businesses would grow!

a dumber thing has never been said,,,,

Actually, it was a good statement.

If you whine because you say raising the minimum wage would cause job loses, then you are saying lowering the rate would create more jobs.

So why don't you bring back child labor at $1 an hour. Look at the jobs you will create.

A fair question that you obviously can't answer..

Extremes can illustrate. Let's go the other direction and raise the MW to $200/hr and eliminate poverty altogether. Can't do it? Of course not.

It simply shows that increasing the MW DOES cost jobs, the only question being how many.

 

[rightwinger]

If they needed the government to subsidize their employees then their business model sucked.

Wrong it the other way around, those companies subsidies the US welfare program...with out them billions more would have to be paid out.

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

 

[hadit]

Wrong it the other way around, those companies subsidies the US welfare program...with out them billions more would have to be paid out.

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

 

[rightwinger]

No. The US government is subsidizing the companies employees so the companies can pay less and make higher profits.

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

Because the alternative is letting them starve

 

[Slyhunter]

That may be one of the silliest things I've ever heard here.

Did you even think about that before you posted it?

You must be a city boy..


Ever plant a garden?

Hunt?

Fish?

Why would they starve when companies would have to raise wages with no government welfare programs?

Hell back in the old days companies would build town's to get workers.
.

So.... You think it's still the 1800s?

My father is a cattle rancher BTW.

No what I am saying is companies would have no choice but to raise wages if we eliminated most welfare.

.

That's not true. Desperate people would be willing to work for less reward, live like animals to make ends meet. But would not require business's to raise rates just like it wouldn't force them to give a fuck about the downtrodden.

You fantasy world does not match reality..


Just go to the job boards in $7.25 an hour states..even McDonald's in most places are starting at $10 an hour.

supply and demand controls wages. Taking away welfare increases the supply of the number of people willing to work. They get desperate and will work under the table in fact. Wages go down in such circumstance.

 

[hadit]

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

Because the alternative is letting them starve

If society deems it necessary to guarantee a minimum standard of living, it should be up to society to provide it through taxation and welfare programs. Companies should not be made into welfare distribution centers.

 

[progressive hunter]

How about we eliminate welfare, then by your logic these companies would have no choice but to pay higher wages

.

Or they will just starve.

anyone that starves in the USA is doing it because they refuse to do for themselves,,,food literally grows out of the ground in 90% of the country,,,

That may be one of the silliest things I've ever heard here.

Did you even think about that before you posted it?

You must be a city boy..


Ever plant a garden?

Hunt?

Fish?

Why would they starve when companies would have to raise wages with no government welfare programs?

Hell back in the old days companies would build town's to get workers.
.

So.... You think it's still the 1800s?

My father is a cattle rancher BTW.

victory gardens are from the 1940's you ignorant twit,,,

and man has been growing food for thousands of yrs,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

anyone that starves in the USA is doing it because they refuse to do for themselves,,,food literally grows out of the ground in 90% of the country,,,

That may be one of the silliest things I've ever heard here.

Did you even think about that before you posted it?

You must be a city boy..


Ever plant a garden?

Hunt?

Fish?

Why would they starve when companies would have to raise wages with no government welfare programs?

Hell back in the old days companies would build town's to get workers.
.

So.... You think it's still the 1800s?

My father is a cattle rancher BTW.

No what I am saying is companies would have no choice but to raise wages if we eliminated most welfare.

.

You have far too much faith in corporate America.

you dont have enough faith in the people,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

Because the alternative is letting them starve

If society deems it necessary to guarantee a minimum standard of living, it should be up to society to provide it through taxation and welfare programs. Companies should not be made into welfare distribution centers.

neither should government,,it should be local and voluntary,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

No the people who stay in MW jobs for 20 years or more and refuse to better themselves so as to earn more are scamming the system

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

Because the alternative is letting them starve

thats their choice,,,

 

[anotherlife]

We can consider the minimum wage that part of your business tax that is spent on prison prevention for petty economic street crime.

 

[hadit]

We can consider the minimum wage that part of your business tax that is spent on prison prevention for petty economic street crime.

Like protection money paid to the Mob?

 

[anotherlife]

We can consider the minimum wage that part of your business tax that is spent on prison prevention for petty economic street crime.

Like protection money paid to the Mob?

Yes. Thank you. You don't want your customers mugged in front of your shop by hungry job seekers now do you?

 

[rightwinger]

You have it backwards
People do not remain in minimum wage jobs for 20 years
But companies will exploit low skilled workers for decades

That's changing the goal post.. how does it help if 45% plus of American workers make minimum wage, if this bill passes the Senate and Trump signs it?

.

It helps by FINALLY increasing the wages of low skilled workers who have been struggling for decades
It helps by shifting the responsibility of supporting these families from the taxpayer to their employers

Why is it anyone's responsibility other than the family to support the family? If a job doesn't generate more revenue than it costs, it cannot be sustained.

Because the alternative is letting them starve

If society deems it necessary to guarantee a minimum standard of living, it should be up to society to provide it through taxation and welfare programs. Companies should not be made into welfare distribution centers.

We should not have to support their workforce