Mom leaves abortion clinic after seeing ultrasound

Point well taken. More hypocrisy of the left. That's shy when we talke back power, we implement these regulation regardless of what they want.

Nope. Hypocrisy is saying one thing but thinking something else. I say that women should have the right to make their own reproductive choices. And I think the exact same thing.
And we expect a ultrasound first. Perfect compromise and fair to the baby whose life may be terminated.

A perfect comprimise would be leaving medical decisions to the woman and her doctor. Not forcing non-necessary medical procedures on women because you don't like that they get to make the choice for themselves.
They get to make the final choice. It is in her interest it is an informed choice. Can't do that without an ultrasound.

Forcing a woman to undergo a medically unnecessary procedure has nothing to do with 'medical safety'. Forcing a woman to look at an ultrasound has nothing to do with 'medical safety'.

It has everything to do with harassing and humiliating women.

It has everything to do with understanding what the choice is. I agree in that it's an unnecessary procedure and should not be performed.

The woman does need to understand however, that this choice causes a human being to die. Her child.

That should be a horribly difficult choice that should haunt her days. That child will die, never become what they may be as a result of that choice.

Ending a human life should never be quick or easy.
 
Wrong.

An embryo/fetus is not a 'baby.'

Yes, it is life. You're wrong

in your view. life exists on a continuum from two cells to birth. you don't get to decide what that is.

the ONLY question is when the governmental interest exceeds our own

and that's been settled for a long time.

notwithstanding yet another fraudulent article in life news.

It's a scientific fact that from 2 cells to birth that's an individual human being, unique in all respects and genetically complete from the moment of conception.

Have a problem with that? Argue with the sciences of Genetics, Taxonomy, Human Physiology, Biology, etc.

A is A.
Do you advocate that anyone killing those two cells go to prison?

You want to send 17 year old girls to prison?

Do you support sending people to prison who knowingly kill a human being?

Scientific fact....human being, separate and unique in all aspects. Not being disputed if you'll notice by anyone, as it's indisputable. A is A.

So when multiple embryos are implanted in a woman's womb on the hope that some will grow to maturity.......that's child endangerment?

Mass murder unless everyone of them grows?

And wouldn't freezing embryo be kidnapping? Or at the very least, reckless endangerment?

If not, why not?
 
More accurately, I want medical decisions to be left up to the woman and her doctor. Not some fat old white guy in a legislature who thinks he knows better than both.

Killing an innocent human being in cold blood is not a “medical decision”.

Choosing one's own reproduction is a medical decision. And a woman has the right to deny her body to anyone. Or anything.

Don't have sex. Easy decision, involves only her save cases where she's forced which are crimes and not what's being discussed in 99.99% of all abortions.

This however is a decision that ends a human life. Nothing else and once done cannot be unmade.
 
Nope. Hypocrisy is saying one thing but thinking something else. I say that women should have the right to make their own reproductive choices. And I think the exact same thing.
And we expect a ultrasound first. Perfect compromise and fair to the baby whose life may be terminated.

A perfect comprimise would be leaving medical decisions to the woman and her doctor. Not forcing non-necessary medical procedures on women because you don't like that they get to make the choice for themselves.
They get to make the final choice. It is in her interest it is an informed choice. Can't do that without an ultrasound.

Forcing a woman to undergo a medically unnecessary procedure has nothing to do with 'medical safety'. Forcing a woman to look at an ultrasound has nothing to do with 'medical safety'.

It has everything to do with harassing and humiliating women.

It has everything to do with understanding what the choice is. I agree in that it's an unnecessary procedure and should not be performed.

I'm not saying its an unnecessary procedure every time its performed. I'm saying that when its been deemed *unneceassary* by the doctors performing it....they have to perform it anyway.

Taking 'medical safety' off the table. It has nothing to do with medical safety. Its harassment. An attempt to make abortion so humiliating, emotionally tramatizing and difficult that women will just give up.

Its like California's half assed attempt to make bullets so hard to buy that gun owners won't bother.
 
More accurately, I want medical decisions to be left up to the woman and her doctor. Not some fat old white guy in a legislature who thinks he knows better than both.

Killing an innocent human being in cold blood is not a “medical decision”.

Choosing one's own reproduction is a medical decision. And a woman has the right to deny her body to anyone. Or anything.

Don't have sex. Easy decision, involves only her save cases where she's forced which are crimes and not what's being discussed in 99.99% of all abortions.

Save of course that that's not her only choice. She gets to choose have sex. AND she gets to choose if she wants to continue a pregnancy.

She has more choices than the one that you're allowing her. Choices the law thankfully recognizes.
 
If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Get out of my wallet. If you can't feed your own kids, don't have them. If you have them and can't feed them, either find some bleeding heart, good luck, or do without, tough shit.

so you force someone to have a kid they can't afford? and then say screw them let them live in poverty, wacko?

how about we stop paying for your viagra.

again, radial religious rightwing men should get out of women's business. you wackos haven't been able to tolerate, since the '60's, women not needing you to make their decisions for them... not need men to control them, not need men to own them by not letting women control their own bodies

make your own decisions.

btw, you're disgusting and immoral. what did women do to you that you hate them so much?

or is it that men aren't allowed to beat women into submission anymore that you resent?

Anyone that would allow a woman to make a choice then demand someone else pay for it is disgusting and immoral.

I love women. I hate irresponsible bitches like you.

Another example of why radical conservatives are considered batshit crazy
You're the batshit crazy one rightwinger being against people who don't want to pay for yours and others fuckups.
And by 'pay for other people's fuck ups'.....you mean feed hungry children?

Your argument is literally that its batshit crazy to feed hungry children.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

not only is he saying that we shouldn't feed hungry children, but he's saying that women should be forced to have those children and then raise them to starve...

because jesus said punish the harlots...

oh wait.. he didn't.
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.
 
Nope. Hypocrisy is saying one thing but thinking something else. I say that women should have the right to make their own reproductive choices. And I think the exact same thing.
And we expect a ultrasound first. Perfect compromise and fair to the baby whose life may be terminated.

A perfect comprimise would be leaving medical decisions to the woman and her doctor. Not forcing non-necessary medical procedures on women because you don't like that they get to make the choice for themselves.
They get to make the final choice. It is in her interest it is an informed choice. Can't do that without an ultrasound.

Forcing a woman to undergo a medically unnecessary procedure has nothing to do with 'medical safety'. Forcing a woman to look at an ultrasound has nothing to do with 'medical safety'.

It has everything to do with harassing and humiliating women.

It has everything to do with understanding what the choice is. I agree in that it's an unnecessary procedure and should not be performed.

The woman does need to understand however, that this choice causes a human being to die. Her child.

That should be a horribly difficult choice that should haunt her days. That child will die, never become what they may be as a result of that choice.

Ending a human life should never be quick or easy.

women already understand what the choices are.

but thanks for mansplaining it.
 
Yes, it is life. You're wrong

in your view. life exists on a continuum from two cells to birth. you don't get to decide what that is.

the ONLY question is when the governmental interest exceeds our own

and that's been settled for a long time.

notwithstanding yet another fraudulent article in life news.

It's a scientific fact that from 2 cells to birth that's an individual human being, unique in all respects and genetically complete from the moment of conception.

Have a problem with that? Argue with the sciences of Genetics, Taxonomy, Human Physiology, Biology, etc.

A is A.
Do you advocate that anyone killing those two cells go to prison?

You want to send 17 year old girls to prison?

Do you support sending people to prison who knowingly kill a human being?

Scientific fact....human being, separate and unique in all aspects. Not being disputed if you'll notice by anyone, as it's indisputable. A is A.

So when multiple embryos are implanted in a woman's womb on the hope that some will grow to maturity.......that's child endangerment?

Mass murder unless everyone of them grows?

And wouldn't freezing embryo be kidnapping? Or at the very least, reckless endangerment?

If not, why not?

Excellent, you're starting to think. Good.

You're starting to acknowledge those human beings exist, and there are both moral and legal questions to be answered.

Once you've understood they are human beings, and THEIR rights need to at least be explored, you're on the road to enlightenment.
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it
 
And we expect a ultrasound first. Perfect compromise and fair to the baby whose life may be terminated.

A perfect comprimise would be leaving medical decisions to the woman and her doctor. Not forcing non-necessary medical procedures on women because you don't like that they get to make the choice for themselves.
They get to make the final choice. It is in her interest it is an informed choice. Can't do that without an ultrasound.

Forcing a woman to undergo a medically unnecessary procedure has nothing to do with 'medical safety'. Forcing a woman to look at an ultrasound has nothing to do with 'medical safety'.

It has everything to do with harassing and humiliating women.

It has everything to do with understanding what the choice is. I agree in that it's an unnecessary procedure and should not be performed.

The woman does need to understand however, that this choice causes a human being to die. Her child.

That should be a horribly difficult choice that should haunt her days. That child will die, never become what they may be as a result of that choice.

Ending a human life should never be quick or easy.

women already understand what the choices are.

but thanks for mansplaining it.

Then say it. Instead of hiding behind sophistry.

In an abortion, a woman's child is killed. That human life ends as a result of that choice.
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

And it's why their heads explode when it's suggested that an ultra sound be part of the information given to a women prior to her getting an abortion, so she can make a fully informed decision. I thought progressive were in favor of educating the masses?
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

And it's why their heads explode when it's suggested that an ultra sound be part of the information given to a women prior to her getting an abortion, so she can make a fully informed decision. I thought progressive were in favor of educating the masses?

Only when the educatio....err indoctrination fits the narrative and agenda
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

That and "person". That's the great trap most people who think abortion is wrong on moral grounds fall into. They start arguing using the same terminology, and once they do, they've lost.

Human being. Stick to the science, stick to the facts, stick to the truth.

If you do, they will rapidly result to firing off insults.

NOTE: Not once have I said it should not be legal. What the choice is...should be made clear. A human being dies as a result of that choice.

A horrible responsibility.
 
in your view. life exists on a continuum from two cells to birth. you don't get to decide what that is.

the ONLY question is when the governmental interest exceeds our own

and that's been settled for a long time.

notwithstanding yet another fraudulent article in life news.

It's a scientific fact that from 2 cells to birth that's an individual human being, unique in all respects and genetically complete from the moment of conception.

Have a problem with that? Argue with the sciences of Genetics, Taxonomy, Human Physiology, Biology, etc.

A is A.
Do you advocate that anyone killing those two cells go to prison?

You want to send 17 year old girls to prison?

Do you support sending people to prison who knowingly kill a human being?

Scientific fact....human being, separate and unique in all aspects. Not being disputed if you'll notice by anyone, as it's indisputable. A is A.

So when multiple embryos are implanted in a woman's womb on the hope that some will grow to maturity.......that's child endangerment?

Mass murder unless everyone of them grows?

And wouldn't freezing embryo be kidnapping? Or at the very least, reckless endangerment?

If not, why not?

Excellent, you're starting to think. Good.

You're starting to acknowledge those human beings exist, and there are both moral and legal questions to be answered.

Once you've understood they are human beings, and THEIR rights need to at least be explored, you're on the road to enlightenment.

Notice you didn't actually answer any of my questions. If two cells are the same thing as as say, a teen ager......then why when multiple embryos are implanted in a woman's womb on the hope that some will grow to maturity.......that's not child endangerment?

Mass murder unless everyone of them grows?

And wouldn't freezing embryo be kidnapping? Or at the very least, reckless endangerment?

Wouldn't any especially heavy flow from a woman be a crime scene....as a human being just died per your estimation.Or at least, plausibly could have.

If not, why not?
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

That and "person". That's the great trap most people who think abortion is wrong on moral grounds fall into. They start arguing using the same terminology, and once they do, they've lost.

Human being. Stick to the science, stick to the facts, stick to the truth.

If you do, they will rapidly result to firing off insults.

NOTE: Not once have I said it should not be legal. What the choice is...should be made clear. A human being dies as a result of that choice.

A horrible responsibility.

Excellent post. I have said this exact same things many times.
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

That and "person". That's the great trap most people who think abortion is wrong on moral grounds fall into. They start arguing using the same terminology, and once they do, they've lost.

More accurately, we don't summarize humanity solely be DNA. If such were the case, then any skin cell would be a human being. Or at the very least, human life.
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

And it's why their heads explode when it's suggested that an ultra sound be part of the information given to a women prior to her getting an abortion, so she can make a fully informed decision. I thought progressive were in favor of educating the masses?

Yes, but that's why you fail in this.

You're advocating a medical procedure that has no use...medically. I understand why you want it, but think about it. Will this simply be another way to further demean what life is by how it's viewed? How the procedure is done?

No, stick to the facts of what the decision is, and don't be swayed by shiny things that sound good but in the end do little.
 
Religious extremist white males should get out of women's personal decisions.

Not the life ewes is. Credible source.

If you don't want an abortion don't have one.

Leave everyone else alone.

If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Get out of my wallet. If you can't feed your own kids, don't have them. If you have them and can't feed them, either find some bleeding heart, good luck, or do without, tough shit.

so you force someone to have a kid they can't afford? and then say screw them let them live in poverty, wacko?

how about we stop paying for your viagra.

again, radial religious rightwing men should get out of women's business. you wackos haven't been able to tolerate, since the '60's, women not needing you to make their decisions for them... not need men to control them, not need men to own them by not letting women control their own bodies

make your own decisions.

btw, you're disgusting and immoral. what did women do to you that you hate them so much?

or is it that men aren't allowed to beat women into submission anymore that you resent?

Anyone that would allow a woman to make a choice then demand someone else pay for it is disgusting and immoral.

I love women. I hate irresponsible bitches like you.

Another example of why radical conservatives are considered batshit crazy
You're the batshit crazy one rightwinger being against people who don't want to pay for yours and others fuckups.
You know..

When conservatives advocate fiscal responsibility they come off like mature adults

When they rant about paying for anyone but themselves, they come off as batshit crazy
 
That progressives believe abortion - a procedure which ends the life of another human being - shouldn't be emotionally traumatizing and difficult for the women speaks volumes.

That's why they use terms like clump of cells and zygote...it helps dehumanize it

That and "person". That's the great trap most people who think abortion is wrong on moral grounds fall into. They start arguing using the same terminology, and once they do, they've lost.

More accurately, we don't summarize humanity solely be DNA. If such were the case, then any skin cell would be a human being. Or at the very least, human life.

Ah...one has fallen into the trap. Excellent.

Does a skin cell have the capabilities ascribed to species? You know, the things that define life. Do you know what are the determining factors for life?
 

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