More economic GOOD News...DOW hits new record..on track to hit 17K.

[Mac1958]

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

 

[Manonthestreet]

and that QE will end and funny when it does you'll find the banks end up with your money cause they know the ending and were firmly planted on the short side in advance

 

[Moonglow]

I don't have any money for them to get..

 

[Silhouette]

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

 

[Mac1958]

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle.

This could easily be a thread unto itself, but I think that, like most things, this is a cultural issue.

Personally, selfishly, my quality of life is better when I know that the roads are paved, the neighborhood park is kept up, that people who simply don't have the capacity to take care of themselves are taken care of.

There has to be equilibrium, of course, so that public funds are used judiciously and efficiently. But I think we have knee-jerked too far away from spending money.

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

and that QE will end and funny when it does you'll find the banks end up with your money cause they know the ending and were firmly planted on the short side in advance

Ummmm......QE ended last October.
Did a secret crash occur, because I didn't see one.

 

[Andylusion]

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

::Stretches::

Where the hell have you been???

 

[ScienceRocks]

The rich keep getting richer and keep fucking over the workers. You loserterians are a front group for destroying America.

 

[Andylusion]

The rich keep getting richer and keep fucking over the workers. You loserterians are a front group for destroying America.

You have the right to be ignorant, and wrong. Please continue.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The rich keep getting richer and keep fucking over the workers. You loserterians are a front group for destroying America.

You have the right to be ignorant, and wrong. Please continue.

How? The rich since the 1970's have constantly become richer and richer as the avg mans wages only very slowly increased. The rich hold most of the wealth and take advantage of the little guy.

How is this fair? And how exactly am I wrong>

 

[ScienceRocks]

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms//6-25-10inc-f1.jpg

Since 1979 the top 1% has increased 281% compared to 25% and 16% for the bottom and middle fifth of our population. How is this fair???

The wages haven't went up for the little guy! The rich are taking it! https://thecurrentmoment.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/productivity-and-real-wages.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ngaLRN9kP...Q/dcNri-RcnI4/s400/productivity+and+wages.gif

 

[Andylusion]

The rich keep getting richer and keep fucking over the workers. You loserterians are a front group for destroying America.

You have the right to be ignorant, and wrong. Please continue.

How? The rich since the 1970's have constantly become richer and richer as the avg mans wages only very slowly increased. The rich hold most of the wealth and take advantage of the little guy.

How is this fair? And how exactly am I wrong>

Fair... is you getting paid how much someone is willing to pay you. How much someone else is paid, has no barring on it either way.

Saying that someone else should not be paid more, because you are not, is just greed and envy. None of your business how much someone else is paid.

You don't do what a CEO does. And bad CEO, and Enron the whole company. So they should be paid a ton, because all the employees of Enron lost everything. You want that to happen more? Just cut their pay. You end up with crap CEOs, and soon no job.

I for one... want a job. I like having a job. And if the CEO makes a thousand times my wage, what difference does that make? If I'm paid a fair wage for my job, that's all that matters.

Further.... of course the rich are getting richer..... THEY MAKE ALL THE WEALTH IN THE COUNTRY...... They SHOULD get richer.

Look around you dude..... everything you have......... (catch that?) EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.... is due to a rich guy.

If they could not become richer making that stuff? They wouldn't. And you wouldn't have it.

We have one of the highest standards of living on the face of the planet, and you owe it to rich.

I've been to Europe. They are not poor like a 3rd world country... no. But they are not like America. You have the highest standard of living in the world. In the whole freakin world. It's not close.

And you have more opportunity to be a rich person, here in this country, than anywhere else.

You want to change that? You want to be poorer, and have less opportunity? Just get rid of the libertarians that fight for your ability to make something of yourself. Just adopt a socialist left-wing hell, and you'll end up just like China did. China used to lead the whole world. They screwed themselves, and we are trying the same thing.

 

[boilermaker55]

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

 

[Marxist]

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

 

[Flopper]

The Rolling Stones -- Doom And Gloom (Lyric Video) - YouTube

Poor conservatives.

the Left is celebrating things they claim to despise; like record corporate profits

it really is that simple

The term Left and Right each encompasses a set of ideas that are only held by the Left or Right stereotypes.

 

[Andylusion]

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

 

[zeke]

I for one... want a job. I like having a job. And if the CEO makes a thousand times my wage, what difference does that make? If I'm paid a fair wage for my job, that's all that matters.

Further.... of course the rich are getting richer..... THEY MAKE ALL THE WEALTH IN THE COUNTRY...... They SHOULD get richer.

When the wealthy guy come out and tells you that you need to work for less so he can have more, you good with that? If not, why not? There wealth has to come from somewhere. If they can take it our of your pocket and put it in theirs, you are in full support of that idea? If not why not?

 

[boilermaker55]

Still don't want to invest your capital into the venture without help!! I get it.

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

 

[Marxist]

No, they invest the money. Others who work in the factories or in the offices or wherever, help the company to survive and to make a profit.
Try this. Take $100,000 and buy a building and all the equipment need for your "company" then lets just see how much money you make without help.
Try it, just once!

The Dow being up never seems to translate into jobs. Seems like there's a permanent cork in the tubing of "trickle down economics". Hoarding is a problem with the 1%. The cure, if not an adoption of a fiscal morality, should be one of patriotism. If that fails, a mandate. Either way the American economy cannot stand up much longer without one of the three.

Malignant greed is never suddenly overcome with compassion or patriotism. So when the rich grumble about raising taxes, they can look in the mirror when they want someone to blame. Gotta keep the consuming 99% consuming somehow..

The Chinese symbol for the American economy is a dragon eating its own tail.

.

The stock market is not the economy. There has never been a better example of that than this market run-up.

This market growth has been based on QE/Infinity, and anyone not paralyzed by politics knows this.

When a hardcore partisan ideologue is discussing the market of the economy, there's no reason to pay attention.

.

Thankfully then you'll be glad to know I straddle the middle of the aisle. I believe in capitalism AND a living wage. Wrap your head around that! What that means is, I know capitalism is what drives our economy. And I also know what drives our economy is the 99% consuming. You choke them out and you're putting the noose around your own neck if you're at the top.

Of course if you're at the VERY top, you don't give a fuck. That's because you are so wealthy that even a lifetime of economic hits won't crumble your castle walls. It's the top 15% of business owners that I worry about. They will soon find themselves in the bread lines as the middle class dries up and blows away in the wind.

This malignant greed isn't going to end pretty...

If the rich people all left, how pretty would it be? The rich people are the ones who have created all the wealth in our society. Without them, you would be impoverished and starving.

Trickle down economics, is how all economics works. Every bit of wealth the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Equally every job that the lower and middle class has, only exists because of the wealthy. Without trickle down, we would all be poor and impoverished.

Hoarding is not a problem. Wealth itself is dynamic. If you take a Rich guys Luxury sports car, and give it to a lower class person, without the wealth to maintain the car, the car will quickly end up worthless, and the Rich guy will buy another.

Moving wealth around, will never change the economic status of the people involved. Never.

America is one of the most compassionate countries in the world. The wealthiest people in our culture, give more money to the poor and charitable organizations, than anywhere in the world. That is not our problem. Our problem is greed and envy of the poor and middle class, who spend too much of their time being bitter and complaining about the rich, instead of working on improving their own lives.

The DOW and the Stock Market, was never about jobs. It's about the success of companies in our country. Success of companies, isn't about jobs either. If we make it unprofitable to create jobs in the US, companies will make jobs elsewhere, and still be profitable, and thus have a growing stock market. When you demand things like "a living wage", the result is that you make employing Americans less profitable, or unprofitable. Thus jobs are created outside the US. The DOW will go up, without jobs here in the US. Your policies have the bad results you don't like. Stop it.

Consuming is a natural part of any economy, and by definition is the driving force behind a consumer-driven economy. But consuming everything you have is not automatic. People should save and invest. But that's not the fault of CEOs or corporations if they don't. You are not pathetic children, at the mercy of big bad companies. Stop acting like it. Take responsibility for your life.

You don't need to worry about the top 15% of business owners. If the middle class dries up, they will simply work elsewhere.

France tried to soak the rich, and the result was the Rich packed up their money, and their jobs, and moved out of France.

The rich will be rich, and wealthy, either here at our benefit, or elsewhere, at our loss. You can't harm them. You can't punish them. The only thing you can do, is suffer when they leave. Atlas Shrugged. Read it.

Don't think that the middle class is going to harm the rich. You will only harm yourself. Especially since most of the business owners you are talking about, are already internationally connected. The CEO of Ford, can very easily move the companies to any number of other countries, and resettle there. They already have large offices, and regional headquarters elsewhere in the world. It wouldn't take much to move.

Similarly, they can move their jobs as well. If you push a "living wage" that makes it cheaper to build cars outside the US, and import them..... it won't take much to make that happen when they already have factories around the world.

I always hear that capitalists create the jobs, well, everything the capitalist uses, acquires, the labor they use, it all comes from workers. Who are the real job creators?

Capitalists are. Without capitalists there are no jobs.

If workers created jobs, then why was pre-78 China a 3rd world country? They had more "worker" class people than any 10 other nations combined, and yet they were impoverished, and 63% of the population lived on less than $2 a day.

Adopting a Capitalist system, has turned China into the power house economy they are now, and the number of people impoverished has drastically declined.... because of Capitalists.

You missed the entire point of the post, the point is, without capitalism, people would still work, after all, the capitalist is not needed.