More gun violence in Sweden....didn't hear about this in our media did we...

[2aguy]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

You never mention the other side of the equation in the United States...how many times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives...

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn3274255v6j67/

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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.

The US rate is about 10.5.

What do you infer from that?

Remove suicide and try that stat again.

Honesty and gun grabbers, the two cannot coexist....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gun nuts are stupid, not worth reasoning with them.

Says the assclown, the fool with an IQ certified to be under 40.....

 

[David_42]

Gun nuts are stupid, not worth reasoning with them.

Says the assclown, the fool with an IQ certified to be under 40.....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[2aguy]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

And you never point out that women are safer when they can use guns....in particular to stop violent rape....

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

***********************

 

[2aguy]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

And more on how guns allow women to stop violent sexual assault....

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun%20Ownership%20Stops%20Rape/

In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community. Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape
over the previous year by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300
firearms were being purchased each week from dealers, and an unknown
number more from private parties.

The newspaper there, the _Orlando
Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial stance and tried to pressure
the local police chief and city government to stop the flow of arms.
When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of
public safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction
with the local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at
a local city park.

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However,
more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm. They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]

Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.

The results?

In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4.

Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide.

5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.
Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.

In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense.

In1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)

The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.
Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.

And for 19.95 you can read Southwick's 2000 study on guns that talk about rape.....

Self-defense with guns: The consequences

This one gives the actual percentages of how rapes are stopped...guns come out on top...

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t07/i4/jalt07i4p99.pdf

 

[2aguy]

Gun nuts are stupid, not worth reasoning with them.

Says the assclown, the fool with an IQ certified to be under 40.....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny, but America has the highest gun ownership rate, but not the highest gun murder rate......

 

[David_42]

Gun nuts are stupid, not worth reasoning with them.

Says the assclown, the fool with an IQ certified to be under 40.....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny, but America has the highest gun ownership rate, but not the highest gun murder rate......

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[2aguy]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

 

[Uncensored2008]

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh look, an unrelated link by the assclown...

 

[Impenitent]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

No, my point is an observation. Sweden has imported violent people from the 3rd world, and they are shooting up the place. It isn't going to get less violent as time goes on.......You do realize that shootings and grenade tossing is becoming a problem..right?

Your opinion becomes an observation when you cough up some statistics.

As for the immigrant problem in Sweden, I doubt their combined numbers even come close to those of NRA Certified Adam Lanza.

 

[Impenitent]

If yo

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

If you will go up-threat, you'll see that the gun adv

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

if you go up-thread, you'll see that gun advocates were the first to (incorrectly) bring suicide into play.

I have merely been trying to unmuddy the water.

 

[2aguy]

If yo

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

If you will go up-threat, you'll see that the gun adv

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

if you go up-thread, you'll see that gun advocates were the first to (incorrectly) bring suicide into play.

I have merely been trying to unmuddy the water.

Usually because anti gunners throw in suicide to inflate the gun death rate here in the states.....since there are only 8,454 gun murders in our country of over 320 million people....so they use suicides to get that number over 30,000.

And they fail to mention that the gun murder rate comes from gangs in our inner cities, in small, multi block areas...and if you take out those democrat controlled shooting galleries...our gun murder rate drops to Eurpean rates......

Our gun problem is a gang problem, not a gun problem.....we have more Americans owning and carrying guns,and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense and the gun murder rate is going down......law abiding citizens carrying guns are not the cause of our gun murder rate.

 

[Impenitent]

If yo

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

If you will go up-threat, you'll see that the gun adv

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

You don't know what you're talking about.

While Sweden's suicide rate is slightly higher that that of the US, the murder rate is more than four times higher in the US.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

if you go up-thread, you'll see that gun advocates were the first to (incorrectly) bring suicide into play.

I have merely been trying to unmuddy the water.

Usually because anti gunners throw in suicide to inflate the gun death rate here in the states.....since there are only 8,454 gun murders in our country of over 320 million people....so they use suicides to get that number over 30,000.

And they fail to mention that the gun murder rate comes from gangs in our inner cities, in small, multi block areas...and if you take out those democrat controlled shooting galleries...our gun murder rate drops to Eurpean rates......

Our gun problem is a gang problem, not a gun problem.....we have more Americans owning and carrying guns,and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense and the gun murder rate is going down......law abiding citizens carrying guns are not the cause of our gun murder rate.

You should be more concerned about white crime. Taken by itself, US whites are far more vicious than their European counterparts.

Here are the real numbers:

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

 

[2aguy]

If yo

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

If you will go up-threat, you'll see that the gun adv

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

if you go up-thread, you'll see that gun advocates were the first to (incorrectly) bring suicide into play.

I have merely been trying to unmuddy the water.

Usually because anti gunners throw in suicide to inflate the gun death rate here in the states.....since there are only 8,454 gun murders in our country of over 320 million people....so they use suicides to get that number over 30,000.

And they fail to mention that the gun murder rate comes from gangs in our inner cities, in small, multi block areas...and if you take out those democrat controlled shooting galleries...our gun murder rate drops to Eurpean rates......

Our gun problem is a gang problem, not a gun problem.....we have more Americans owning and carrying guns,and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense and the gun murder rate is going down......law abiding citizens carrying guns are not the cause of our gun murder rate.

You should be more concerned about white crime. Taken by itself, US whites are far more vicious than their European counterparts.

Here are the real numbers:

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

Did you include handing over innocent men, women and children over to a foreign government to be murdered…..? You guys always forget that aspect of European violence, they like to have the governments of their countries do most of it….

And Britain…didn't show Britain, because it is 2 times as violent as the United States.

As you can see, European criminals can get guns just as easily as American criminals, but they don't use them as often. There is a culture difference between Europe and America…..I see it coming from the feudal age they went through followed by World War 1 and 2……Feudalism engrained a reverence for authority, and the wars instilled a pacifism that infected the culture…to the point they won't stand up to actual threats.

The United States never went through a feudal period, and didn't directly experience the destruction of the Wars……..

 

[2aguy]

If yo

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

If you will go up-threat, you'll see that the gun adv

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

First, link?

Second....that is changing.....more shootings and grenade tossing seems to be a new hobby among new immigrants in Sweden....

Murder rate per million: Sweden vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Suicide rate by country:
World suicide rates by country

Your point is actually an opinion.

Why did you bring up suicide?

if you go up-thread, you'll see that gun advocates were the first to (incorrectly) bring suicide into play.

I have merely been trying to unmuddy the water.

Usually because anti gunners throw in suicide to inflate the gun death rate here in the states.....since there are only 8,454 gun murders in our country of over 320 million people....so they use suicides to get that number over 30,000.

And they fail to mention that the gun murder rate comes from gangs in our inner cities, in small, multi block areas...and if you take out those democrat controlled shooting galleries...our gun murder rate drops to Eurpean rates......

Our gun problem is a gang problem, not a gun problem.....we have more Americans owning and carrying guns,and our gun murder rate is going down, not up...

12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense and the gun murder rate is going down......law abiding citizens carrying guns are not the cause of our gun murder rate.

You should be more concerned about white crime. Taken by itself, US whites are far more vicious than their European counterparts.

Here are the real numbers:

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

And again you fail to point out the opposite side of the equation, the violent crimes stopped and the lives saved because Americans can use guns for self defense…..on average 2 million times a year, compared to only 8,454 gun murders….

And of course our gun murder rate is going down as over 12.8 million Americans now carry guns for self defense. As Europe imports more violent immigrants, their violence rate is going up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sweden's gun death rate per 100,000 is about 1.5.
The US rate is about 10.5.
What do you infer from that?

That you refuse to tell the entire story.
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
21175 suicides - ~99.99295% of the guns in the US are NOT used to commit suicide
8454 murders - ~99.99712% guns in the US are NOT used to murder
505 accidental deaths - ~99.99984% of the gun in the US are NOT involved in an accidental death.

You don't know what you're talking about.

It is quite clear that I DO know what I am talking about.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Gun nuts are stupid, not worth reasoning with them.

Says the assclown, the fool with an IQ certified to be under 40.....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is supposed to prove... what?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You should be more concerned about white crime. Taken by itself, US whites are far more vicious than their European counterparts.

Here are the real numbers:

US ‘whites only’ murder rate: 2.6
Denamark 1.0
Ireland 1.2
Norway 0.8
Sweden 0.9
Greece 1.4
Italy 1.4
Spain 1.2
Austria 0.8
France 1.7
Germany 1.2
Switzerland 1.0

I question the validity of your numbers.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Funny how the media is silent about shootings in Europe when they push gun control here...

Rare Gun Violence Erupts In Stockholm: 1 Dead, 3 Injured In Shooting And Stabbing In Sweden

According to one eyewitness account, cited by The Local, two men, one armed with a gun, the other with a knife, chased down a man before stabbing and shooting him. The gunshots ricocheted into bystanders, who were treated for minor injuries at a local hospital. Police have cordoned off the area and are still looking for the unidentified suspects.

Of course they have even more gun control that we do here in the states...but their criminals get guns easily when they want or need them.....

Well ya, that's one for Sweden. Guess that makes it roughly equivilent to the US.