Mother has kids kidnapped from her,she in return kills CPS agent.

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

‘Free Range Parenting’ Too Often Leads to Child Neglect Investigations, Report Finds

‘Free Range Parenting’ Too Often Leads to Child Neglect Investigations, Report Finds

Charging responsible parents with child neglect when they encourage their kids to be independent diverts valuable resources away from true cases of child abuse and negligence, according to a new report.

Legally Kidnapped

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And then killed some other government worker in revenge?

And left your kids without a father?

Great example there.

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

Parents who are fucking with their kids often have a rage and violence problem- pretty common for asshole parents to feel like they 'own' their kids- and the government has no right to take them away- and of course they don't consider burning their kids with cigarettes abuse- its just 'parental discipline'.

Like I said- this 'mother' and I use that term loosely- killed someone else- someone else's daughter- and left her own kids without a mother.

I am betting we are going to find out she has a history of violent behavior- and probably mental illness.

I don't think we're going to find out anything. Every source I looked up on this left a lot of blanks. And you're wrong about parents being outraged at CPS intervention when they know they are hurting their children. They are usually racked with guilt and it becomes a wake up call to change their ways so they can get their kids back. That's not what happened here...what happened is an act of righteous rage more commonly associated with a deep sense of injustice. Just what was so terrible that this girl was removed? You assume it was justified, I assume otherwise based on my own personal experience.

I'll ask you again and will keep asking until I get answer. HOW the fuck do you know how parents react when their child is removed? What is your experience and expertise? Until you can explain that, your words are nothing more than an appeal to ignorance-"it's true because I said it's true and you should just believe it."

Two things. I don't believe a thing you say, you are one of the CPS jack booted thugs this thread intends to expose. Two, I have more than a strong grasp of human psychology. Murderous rage like this is preceded by a deep sense of injustice, when children are ripped out of a parent's arms and not for their own safety.

So you have no actual experience in the field. OK thanks for admitting that. All you have is a self assessment of a "knowledge of psychology" I don't give a fuck whether or not you believe me. You should be ashamed that you are perpetuating lies and fear mongering with your horseshit. CPS saves lives. I don't even own jack boots whatever the fuck they are.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

You sure they didn't show up regarding reports that you are killing neighborhood pets?

The cat was killed afterward. Follow the time line.

Ah........and when the woman kills someone in your family for revenge for her cat being killed- will that be justified?

You sound like my damned mother in law!

 

[Syriusly]

And then killed some other government worker in revenge?

And left your kids without a father?

Great example there.

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

Parents who are fucking with their kids often have a rage and violence problem- pretty common for asshole parents to feel like they 'own' their kids- and the government has no right to take them away- and of course they don't consider burning their kids with cigarettes abuse- its just 'parental discipline'.

Like I said- this 'mother' and I use that term loosely- killed someone else- someone else's daughter- and left her own kids without a mother.

I am betting we are going to find out she has a history of violent behavior- and probably mental illness.

I don't think we're going to find out anything. Every source I looked up on this left a lot of blanks. And you're wrong about parents being outraged at CPS intervention when they know they are hurting their children. They are usually racked with guilt and it becomes a wake up call to change their ways so they can get their kids back. That's not what happened here...what happened is an act of righteous rage more commonly associated with a deep sense of injustice. Just what was so terrible that this girl was removed? You assume it was justified, I assume otherwise based on my own personal experience.

I'll ask you again and will keep asking until I get answer. HOW the fuck do you know how parents react when their child is removed? What is your experience and expertise? Until you can explain that, your words are nothing more than an appeal to ignorance-"it's true because I said it's true and you should just believe it."

Two things. I don't believe a thing you say, you are one of the CPS jack booted thugs this thread intends to expose. Two, I have more than a strong grasp of human psychology. Murderous rage like this is preceded by a deep sense of injustice, when children are ripped out of a parent's arms and not for their own safety.

This coming from the man who kills a neighbors pet in revenge........

Murderous rage like hers can be caused by many things- it could be caused by the same thing that caused her kids to be taken away- perhaps she was out killing her neighborhood pets in revenge for perceived slights and the authorities were worried about her kids safety.....

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

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So you have no actual experience in the field. OK thanks for admitting that. All you have is a self assessment of a "knowledge of psychology" I don't give a fuck whether or not you believe me. You should be ashamed that you are perpetuating lies and fear mongering with your horseshit. CPS saves lives. I don't even own jack boots whatever the fuck they are.

Like this one?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

it absolutely wasn't. it was revenge. she didn't shoot the agents that took her kids while they were doing it. she didn't try to run off with the kids away from cps. she waited outside a state office building and gunned down an agent in cold blood. it's fucking sick and should never be cheered. i thought you respected life?

A cop was likely with the CPS agent when they removed the girl. I would have waited too.

And then killed some other government worker in revenge?

And left your kids without a father?

Great example there.

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

Not me, I'm a nudist too.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

A cop was likely with the CPS agent when they removed the girl. I would have waited too.

And then killed some other government worker in revenge?

And left your kids without a father?

Great example there.

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

Not me, I'm a nudist too.

So what would you do if you were sent to a home because they are clothing optional?

 

[Anathema]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

The would be something like trying to do the right things for children, not something we bother with here.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

According to your standards? You've already proved yourself a nut for saying that naturist families are abusing their children, the millions of families that do this to varying degrees. That's the problem with arbitrary bureaucrats deciding what is or isn't abuse based on their own bigotry or prejudice. Your attempt to bring government even more into people's homes will fail.

 

[ogibillm]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

one of the reasons i vociferously oppose homeschooling. at least when the kids have to go to school they can be observed for signs of neglect and abuse

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

one of the reasons i vociferously oppose homeschooling. at least when the kids have to go to school they can be observed for signs of neglect and abuse

Of course you do. All power to the state! Now I'm getting a better grasp on your angle here. Presuming that homeschooled children are being abused, no wonder you want CPS kicking in doors often and it angers you when there's any reprisal.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And then killed some other government worker in revenge?

And left your kids without a father?

Great example there.

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

Not me, I'm a nudist too.

So what would you do if you were sent to a home because they are clothing optional?

That would not likely happen unless there were other concerns about the children. If they are all just walking around naked out of public view it is not anyone's concern

 

[ogibillm]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

one of the reasons i vociferously oppose homeschooling. at least when the kids have to go to school they can be observed for signs of neglect and abuse

Of course you do. All power to the state! Now I'm getting a better grasp on your angle here. Presuming that homeschooled children are being abused, no wonder you want CPS kicking in doors often and it angers you when there's any reprisal.

do you think that there aren't parents out there that 'homeschool' their kids to hide abuse?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

You're out of your fucking mind.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

We don't know enough about this case, in spite of my attempt to find other sources. What was the reason the girl was removed? Parents who know they fucked up with their children are rarely surprised or enraged when their children are taken from them. This woman felt such a sense of injustice that she gunned down a CPS worker. It makes me think this is one of many cases where a child who was not genuinely neglected or abused was removed from the home anyway.

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

Not me, I'm a nudist too.

So what would you do if you were sent to a home because they are clothing optional?

That would not likely happen unless there were other concerns about the children. If they are all just walking around naked out of public view it is not anyone's concern

Well that's all that happened in our house and no they weren't in the front yard. Though we've moved to a rural location where the neighbors are further away, though they don't mind seek our kids starkers. This former neighbor upped the ante when nobody would respond just for a naked family and alleged abuse. You should try to imagine what it's like to be on the other side of your visits, especially when citizens feel empowered to bring you there through an anonymous tip. We were parents doing nothing wrong, yet there you people were. And the horror stories of CPS removing children for stupid reasons puts a general sense of fear into informed parents that the government can whimsically take their children.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Thank goodness the murder victim was able to save the child's life by taking him/her away from the deranged lunatic of a mother.

On a different day, it could've been the kid lying dead at the hands of the mad woman.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

one of the reasons i vociferously oppose homeschooling. at least when the kids have to go to school they can be observed for signs of neglect and abuse

Of course you do. All power to the state! Now I'm getting a better grasp on your angle here. Presuming that homeschooled children are being abused, no wonder you want CPS kicking in doors often and it angers you when there's any reprisal.

do you think that there aren't parents out there that 'homeschool' their kids to hide abuse?

No, I really don't. That's your Left wing socialist bias wanting to incarcerate all children in government schools so YOU can do the abusing.

L.A. schools pay 139 million settlement in abuse cases - CNN.com

Children are far better off with their own parents than the pedophiles your schools hire to teach them.

 

[ogibillm]

You are exactly the kind of person my neighbor was, abusing the CPS anonymous tip system because you don't like how somebody is raising their children.

I believe we should be LICENSING parents before they're allowed to have kids and inspecting the homes of every family on a,montgly basis to ensure proper upbringing of the kids.

one of the reasons i vociferously oppose homeschooling. at least when the kids have to go to school they can be observed for signs of neglect and abuse

Of course you do. All power to the state! Now I'm getting a better grasp on your angle here. Presuming that homeschooled children are being abused, no wonder you want CPS kicking in doors often and it angers you when there's any reprisal.

do you think that there aren't parents out there that 'homeschool' their kids to hide abuse?

No, I really don't. That's your Left wing socialist bias wanting to incarcerate all children in government schools so YOU can do the abusing.

L.A. schools pay 139 million settlement in abuse cases - CNN.com

Children are far better off with their own parents than the pedophiles your schools hire to teach them.

well we've already established that you're a batshit fucking insane cat killer and murder supporter, why should we think you'd have a rational view of schools?

do you home school your kids?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You're still spewing bovine excrement directly out of your pie hole. How many neglected and abused children have you removed from parents? You think that because they are really harming the child they are not going to be upset? That is just fucking stupid

You're part of the problem this thread addresses. How many children have you removed because they were allowed to walk to the store alone or because they snuck a little booze from a visiting uncle? More than you'll admit here, that's for sure. I had one of you fucks show up at my door because sometimes we don't wear clothes in the house. I'm sure that I'm just like a lot of your victims now that CPS has expanded well beyond genuine cases of abuse or neglect where immediate intervention is required.

Not me, I'm a nudist too.

So what would you do if you were sent to a home because they are clothing optional?

That would not likely happen unless there were other concerns about the children. If they are all just walking around naked out of public view it is not anyone's concern

Well that's all that happened in our house and no they weren't in the front yard. Though we've moved to a rural location where the neighbors are further away, though they don't mind seek our kids starkers. This former neighbor upped the ante when nobody would respond just for a naked family and alleged abuse. You should try to imagine what it's like to be on the other side of your visits, especially when citizens feel empowered to bring you there through an anonymous tip. We were parents doing nothing wrong, yet there you people were. And the horror stories of CPS removing children for stupid reasons puts a general sense of fear into informed parents that the government can whimsically take their children.

You were dealing with stupid spiteful, lying neighbors. CPS can't be responsible for that and they have to respond to all allegations because some are real. That is just the way it is. I explained previously why children can't be removed arbitrarily and yours were not either , right? You admit that "horror stories " put fear into parents but YOU are responsible for spreading those stories when all that CPS is doing is trying to protect children who need it.